2022 Bullpen Thread

[mvp 78]

They're 11.4 million over the first tax threshold for 2022 right now.

 

They are for this season. They reset in 2020 and didn't go over in 2021.

 

It feels like they could have taken on more this offseason.

[mvp 78]

They had a good enough roster to "compete" in 2021, but I don't think they expected us to win 92 games and go as far as we did. (I'm not a believer in the playoffs are a crapshoot idea.)

 

I think their number one priority was to plan for 2023-2024, keep the reset in place and see what happens. They gave Cordero and Dalbec (and others) longer looks than most "contending" and spending teams would have done.

 

Now that spending is back on the table, I think they feel better about 2022, but the main priority is still 2023 and beyond.

 

I don't expect us to trade good prospects, this deadline, even if we look like a very strong contender. We may pick up a Schwarber type player or maybe better pen help tan Robles/Davis of '21, but I still don't feel like we have gone "all in," yet.

 

BTW, I have explained my breaking down of competitiveness vs high competitiveness philosophy.

 

So the plan since Dec 2019 was to just wait for 4 more years and just float?

[Bellhorn04]

So the plan since Dec 2019 was to just wait for 4 more years and just float?

 

Get ready for some looong posts!

[Maxbialystock]

2018-2019 were the definition of going all in. Henry might not want to even do that again.

 

Great way to put it, and I agree with both you and John Henry. One Dombrowski in the life of a ball club--or the life of its most successful owner--is enough.

[notin]

So the plan since Dec 2019 was to just wait for 4 more years and just float?

 

I don’t think any team looks at their A ball prospects and thinks “we can wait to compete when these guys are ready.” At least not more than once…

[moonslav59]

So the plan since Dec 2019 was to just wait for 4 more years and just float?

 

To be competitive but not highly competitive, yes. That's actually 3 years.

 

2020, 2021, 2022

 

2020 was never meant to be even competitive, once Sale & ERod were out.

[Old Red]

To be competitive but not highly competitive, yes. That's actually 3 years.

 

2020, 2021, 2022

 

2020 was never meant to be even competitive, once Sale & ERod were out.

 

Fact, or fiction?

[notin]

To be competitive but not highly competitive, yes. That's actually 3 years.

 

2020, 2021, 2022

 

2020 was never meant to be even competitive, once Sale & ERod were out.

 

2020 was clearly going to be non-competitive. But while 2021 might have been better than expected, it’s not in the same category as 2020…

[moonslav59]

2020 was clearly going to be non-competitive. But while 2021 might have been better than expected, it’s not in the same category as 2020…

 

No, it wasn't but it wasn't meant to be in the highly completive category, either.

[mvp 78]

I don’t think any team looks at their A ball prospects and thinks “we can wait to compete when these guys are ready.” At least not more than once…

 

A very bad business plan. It worked for the Astros, but doesn't have a long history of being a great policy.

[mvp 78]

Get ready for some looong posts!

 

Actually, 2020 was just the mini cliff. The real cliff is 2022!

[mvp 78]

@IanMBrowne

Jake Diekman is kind of intense!

 

Do you want to be the closer? “I don’t really give two shits.”

 

Can I quote you on that?

“Yeah, do it, I don’t really care.”

 

I'm into it. I like that vibe.

[Bellhorn04]

Actually, 2020 was just the mini cliff. The real cliff is 2022!

 

Every year needs its own label.

[moonslav59]

Every year needs its own label.

 

The free agent situation after 2022 will certainly deserve its own label.

[mvp 78]

Every year needs its own label.

 

2022: The Cliff Clavin of Cliffs, or One Cliff to Rule Them All

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

@IanMBrowne

Jake Diekman is kind of intense!

 

Do you want to be the closer? “I don’t really give two shits.”

 

Can I quote you on that?

“Yeah, do it, I don’t really care.”

 

I'm into it. I like that vibe.

 

What a deke, man.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Get ready for some looong posts!

 

Dombro says the best anti-tank strategy is to shove all combustible prospects into greased Army socks and stick them onto the treads.

 

Pearce has been retired for three years, and I'm still glad they traded Espinal, who turned out alright.

[Nick]

They are for this season. They reset in 2020 and didn't go over in 2021.

 

It feels like they could have taken on more this offseason.

 

I was surprised Sox didn't go after Suzuki for RF. It's only money. We'll see how he does for the Cubs. Our farm has more infielders than outfielders.

[mvp 78]

I was surprised Sox didn't go after Suzuki for RF. It's only money. We'll see how he does for the Cubs. Our farm has more infielders than outfielders.

 

I agree on this one for sure. Seemed like a good fit?

[moonslav59]

I agree on this one for sure. Seemed like a good fit?

 

He did, but he's maybe a bigger gamble than a known ML player.

 

I had hoped we signed him. He ended up not making a whole lot of money.

[mvp 78]

He did, but he's maybe a bigger gamble than a known ML player.

 

I had hoped we signed him. He ended up not making a whole lot of money.

 

Suzuki's OPS is 1145 higher than JBJ's.

[moonslav59]

Suzuki's OPS is 1145 higher than JBJ's.

 

...and?

[mvp 78]

...and?

 

Seems like a better fit in RF.

[Larry Cook]

...and?

 

It is only going up from there.

 

It is painful to watch Bradley at the plate.

 

At what point does Hang’em Chaim introduce Bradley to the legendary city of Worcester?

[moonslav59]

Seems like a better fit in RF.

 

Based on 3 games or what we expect?

[Bellhorn04]

He did, but he's maybe a bigger gamble than a known ML player.

 

I had hoped we signed him. He ended up not making a whole lot of money.

 

$70 mill = chump change.

[moonslav59]

$70 mill = chump change.

 

Tell that to the Rusney ranters.

[Bellhorn04]

Tell that to the Rusney ranters.

 

Sorry, I forgot to put in green.

[moonslav59]

Sorry, I forgot to put in green.

 

A color most fitting for Rusney.

[Kimmi]

I do not like the " ghost runner" rule. It distorts the game. That said , the Yankee reliever did a better job of dealing with it than our guys did.

 

The ghost runner rule gives the home team a large strategic advantage in extra inning games. When I first heard about the rule, I thought it was the stupidest thing I ever heard of. After watching it in action, my opinion was that it was not as bad as I had initially thought. I do like the added strategy that comes along with it, but I really prefer not to have it. I may be in the minority, but I like those epic 18-inning games now and then.