Better make a move….!!!

[Noles_1335]

With what the Jays are doing and how potent that roster is, Bloom had better go make a splash. The division isn’t getting any easier and we all know the Yanks are willing to make the big roster moves to compete. We’re looking at 3rd place at this point! What can we do to save face and to get the fans excited and to know that Bloom will make the moves needed to keep us contending for the pennant?

[mvp 78]

The teams that win the offseason/trading deadline don't typically win the WS.

[notin]

The teams that win the offseason/trading deadline don't typically win the WS.

 

No one looked at the Braves grabbing a bunch of borderline starting outfielders at the deadline last year and thought “that puts them over the top”…

[notin]

There is definitely some impatience among Sox fans since the team hasn’t made a free agent splash since JD Martinez. But even without making one, they did win their most games since 2018, and won only one game less than in 2017 and 2016 when they took the East. So they won one less game in a clearly tougher AL East without free agent splashes, but no one still wants to stay that course…

[mvp 78]

There is definitely some impatience among Sox fans since the team hasn’t made a free agent splash since JD Martinez. But even without making one, they did win their most games since 2018, and won only one game less than in 2017 and 2016 when they took the East. So they won one less game in a clearly tougher AL East without free agent splashes, but no one still wants to stay that course…

 

I can ignore 2020. Bloom found success in 2021 with under the radar moves (Kiké, Renfroe, Pivetta, Iggy). He's going to need another poor season before I start to really question his roster construction. I can't blame him for not going above the CBT. That's an ownership decision.

[Bellhorn04]

There is definitely some impatience among Sox fans since the team hasn’t made a free agent splash since JD Martinez. But even without making one, they did win their most games since 2018, and won only one game less than in 2017 and 2016 when they took the East. So they won one less game in a clearly tougher AL East without free agent splashes, but no one still wants to stay that course…

 

Let's not get too excited about the 2021 results though. The Pythagorean record was 88-74. They were very fortunate to win 92 and incredibly fortunate to make the playoffs.

 

This year seems like a year to go for it a bit, with Bogey, JDM, Kike, Vaz and Eovaldi all potentially gone after the year.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Don't worry, Bloom will be making plenty of moves. He's stopping by a consignment shop today, and there's a Goodwill along the way. This weekend there's a big flea market down by the beach, where at night he can scan the dunes with his metal detector.

[redsoxrules]

He did make a move. We got JBJ back!

[Noles_1335]

So let this set in… our projected OF had this insane combined stat line last year! 39 HR, 152 RBI, avg somewhere in the ballpark of a whopping .235 or so!!! How can we expect to compete in the East, has the time come for the O’s to pass us up and for that coveted last place?

[Old Red]

So let this set in… our projected OF had this insane combined stat line last year! 39 HR, 152 RBI, avg somewhere in the ballpark of a whopping .235 or so!!! How can we expect to compete in the East, has the time come for the O’s to pass us up and for that coveted last place?

 

Where is the in Bloom we trust?

[notin]

Let's not get too excited about the 2021 results though. The Pythagorean record was 88-74. They were very fortunate to win 92 and incredibly fortunate to make the playoffs.

 

This year seems like a year to go for it a bit, with Bogey, JDM, Kike, Vaz and Eovaldi all potentially gone after the year.

 

4 games over Pythagorean doesn’t seem “incredibly fortunate”. If that formula had a +/- 5% tolerance, we would have been within range…

[moonslav59]

There is definitely some impatience among Sox fans since the team hasn’t made a free agent splash since JD Martinez. But even without making one, they did win their most games since 2018, and won only one game less than in 2017 and 2016 when they took the East. So they won one less game in a clearly tougher AL East without free agent splashes, but no one still wants to stay that course…

 

If you count playoff wins and losses...

 

The DD through Bloom era:

 

119-57 2018

98-72 2021 Bloom

94-72 2017

93-72 2016

 

84-78 2019

 

24-36 2020 Bloom "Tank Year"

 

Does our long term outlook seem better now or after the 2019 season?

 

[Bellhorn04]

4 games over Pythagorean doesn’t seem “incredibly fortunate”. If that formula had a +/- 5% tolerance, we would have been within range…

 

I said incredibly fortunate to make the playoffs.

[moonslav59]

I said incredibly fortunate to make the playoffs.

 

I kinda felt like we had some bad luck in the last month or two of 2022.

 

Being swept by the O's is just one incident.

 

To me, had the Jays made the playoffs, it would have been luckier, and the Yanks were the worst of the 3.

[notin]

I said incredibly fortunate to make the playoffs.

 

Ok. Fair.

 

Of course that had to do with a stellar AL East. And yet despite playing in a division with 3 other 90 game winners, it is impressive that they also won 90 and made the postseason…

[moonslav59]

Ok. Fair.

 

Of course that had to do with a stellar AL East. And yet despite playing in a division with 3 other 90 game winners, it is impressive that they also won 90 and made the postseason…

 

More impressive the Yanks (86-76 Pyth) won 90+ games.

 

We earned the playoffs in the context of Pyth.

 

(BTW, the Jays were 99-63 Pyth, while the 100 win Rays were 101-61.)

[dgalehouse]

The 2021 Sox were a good team. They were underrated due to too much emphasis being put on the bizarre 2020 season. The Sox were just two games from the Fall Classic . But they also were just one game from fourth place. They were fortunate to finish the regular season against the tanking Nats. The A.L. East should be tough again this year. The expanded playoffs certainly makes it a bit easier to reach the post season. Hope springs eternal.

[Old Red]

The 2021 Sox were a good team. They were underrated due to too much emphasis being put on the bizarre 2020 season. The Sox were just two games from the Fall Classic . But they also were just one game from fourth place. They were fortunate to finish the regular season against the tanking Nats. The A.L. East should be tough again this year. The expanded playoffs certainly makes it a bit easier to reach the post season. Hope springs eternal.

 

Agree on this, and I’ve been saying right along that the Red Sox had to much talent to start last season to not have a good team. 2020 had to be thrown right out the window along with JD not having his binky iPad, and having the worst season of his career. I also have said as close as the Sox were to getting into the WS they were just as close to not making the post season at all. Anything can happen, but usually not two years in a row. 2018 to 2019, and 2020 to 2021 are examples of that.

[Deja Doh]

The Red Sox should grab Freddie Freeman while they can.

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox should grab Freddie Freeman while they can.

 

Nope.

 

Just because we missed out on others does not mean we make a desperation move at a position we are already set in.

 

If we can get a good return for Dalbec and or Casas, then maybe.

[notin]

The Red Sox should grab Freddie Freeman while they can.

 

He’s off to LA. They can’t grab him anymore…

[moonslav59]

He’s off to LA. They can’t grab him anymore…

 

Glad he stays in the NL.

 

There should be a 300% tax if over the line by $25M,

[moonslav59]

$27M x 6 for a 1Bman who turns 33, this season, coming off his lowest OPS+ number in 6 years.

 

Can anyone really fault Bloom for not offering a penny more than any of these biggest signings?

 

Name one. Just one.

 

$33M x 10 Seager

$26M x 7 Bryant

$25M x 7 Semien

$27M x 6 Freeman

$23M x 6 Baez (maybe?)

$43M x 3 Scherzer

$23M x 5 R Ray

$22M x 5 Gausman

$17M x 5 Suzuki (maybe not?)

$20M x 4 Schwarber

$20M x 4 S Marte

$15M x 5 ERod

$24M x 3 Stroman

$15M x 4 C Taylor

$15M x 4 R Iglesias

$25M x 2 Verlander

$22M x 2 Rodon

$21M x 1 Syndergaard

$20M x 1 Morton

$18M x 1 Belt & Wainwright

 

Edited March 17, 2022 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

Any in the second tier worth spending a penny more?

 

$14M x 4 Jon Gray (Just sign ERod)

$13M x 4 A Garcia

$11M x 4 Matz

$12M x 3 DeSciafini & Kikuchi

$16M x 2 Rizzo

$13M x 2 Canha

$13M x 2 A Wood

$8M x 3 Graveman

$10M x 2 A Cobb & E Escobar

$5M x 4 N Martines

$9M x 2 E Rosario, H Neris & Joe Kelly

$6M x 3 Loup

$15M x 1 N CRuz

$7M x 2 Cron, Melancon & Chafin

$13M x 1 Greinke

 

 

[moonslav59]

...and tell me the owners are losing money!

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm calling BS on the terms "desperation" and "splash." I just don't believe a team that brags about resetting, and "opportunities", "flexibility" and being "nimble" should stand pat or rely on cheap fill-ins -- especially for the pitching staff.

 

A ballclub doesn't have to be all-in to spend on a good starting pitcher. Don't tell me the time isn't right to go for it, maybe next year. When a team sucks or is just mediocre, the first way to improve is to stabilize the rotation. I'd gladly invest in five years for Robbie Ray or Kevin Gausman at market rate than blow 10 one-year contracts on broken down past-their-prime pitchers; the latter, to me, is what smacks of desperation.

 

A lot of posters hammered the Eovaldi signing at the ungodly $17 million per year. Where would we be without him now? Invest in what matters. Maybe Bloom and Co. truly believe Bello and Groome will become the next Gooden and Braden. In the meantime, legitimate big league arms like Manea and Montas are available -- and we all found ways on Trade Values to get them without giving up Casas and Yorke.

[notin]

From the free agent pile, the Sox could sign Archie Bradley, and he could fill the bullpen slot that will eventually be vacated by Whitlock or Houck.

 

Also there has been literally no buzz on Michael Conforto. He’s better than the vastly overrated Nick Castellanos. Greater he hits lefty, but the Sox can stop pretending they don’t have any right handed bats.

 

Also extend Bogaerts. This was the off-season to replace him. It didn’t happen and probably wrong with The last two options. So just sign him…

[Bellhorn04]

If the Red Sox do nothing more this offseason it is going to be a head-scratcher.

 

Maybe the plan is to suck, and deal Bogey, JDM, Eovaldi, Kike and Vaz at the deadline.

[mvp 78]

If the Red Sox do nothing more this offseason it is going to be a head-scratcher.

 

Maybe the plan is to suck, and deal Bogey, JDM, Eovaldi, Kike and Vaz at the deadline.

 

Last season's plan for the OF was a head scratcher too. It worked out in the long run. A 4th place finish in 2022 would be the only thing to shake my confidence in management. They have more info and they don't typically announce ahead of time what their plan is (Renfroe signing, JBJ trade and numerous other deals seemed to come out of nowhere).

[Bellhorn04]

Last season's plan for the OF was a head scratcher too. It worked out in the long run. A 4th place finish in 2022 would be the only thing to shake my confidence in management. They have more info and they don't typically announce ahead of time what their plan is (Renfroe signing, JBJ trade and numerous other deals seemed to come out of nowhere).

 

True, but I can't help being disappointed and bored. Especially when I think of all the guys we're losing after this year.