Red Sox trade Hunter Renfroe in trade involving Jackie Bradley Jr

[notin]

Did the author quote some source that we can not see with respect to the potential of either of these two prospects? Based on what I have read, it is hard to imagine anyone investing this amount of money in two prospects that have yet to really do much. It is an incredible deal to really understand. It looks on the surface that it really is about the future as in the real future. My future is this spring. I think that this deal is ridiculous. I'm not saying that Renfroe is an all-star by any means but I would take him over JBJ everyday. As for the two prospects - not likely to show up in our lineup for a while if in fact ever.

 

The prospects can also make an immediate impact.

 

One of them is a middle infielder, which is a position the Sox have some MiLB depth in. So maybe the new MIF (Hamilton) is part of a deal come July. Or maybe they move Yorke for a pitcher.

 

Prospect trades can be as much about the present as any other deal…

[Hugh2]

The prospects can also make an immediate impact.

 

One of them is a middle infielder, which is a position the Sox have some MiLB depth in. So maybe the new MIF (Hamilton) is part of a deal come July. Or maybe they move Yorke for a pitcher.

 

Prospect trades can be as much about the present as any other deal…

 

Exactly. The purpose of a the farm system is to support the major league club; support comes in the form of replenishing the ranks and trading from your depth. Bloom has really built up the farm system in Boston and put them in a position to have the ability to make trades that can immediately impact the big league club.

 

Now will he do it? and will that come this offseason or perhaps they're more aggressive at next years deadline depending on where they are. IDK.

[notin]

Exactly. The purpose of a the farm system is to support the major league club; support comes in the form of replenishing the ranks and trading from your depth. Bloom has really built up the farm system in Boston and put them in a position to have the ability to make trades that can immediately impact the big league club.

 

Now will he do it? and will that come this offseason or perhaps they're more aggressive at next years deadline depending on where they are. IDK.

 

It would e interesting if the Sox instead used Bradley as the trade bait to help some non-contending team offload a very expensive and useless contract. Bradley for Patrick Corbin?

[Nick]

The prospects can also make an immediate impact.

 

One of them is a middle infielder, which is a position the Sox have some MiLB depth in. So maybe the new MIF (Hamilton) is part of a deal come July. Or maybe they move Yorke for a pitcher.

 

Prospect trades can be as much about the present as any other deal…

 

I doubt Bloom would trade away a recent first round draft pick. I would bet you $100.

[Hugh2]

I doubt Bloom would trade away a recent first round draft pick. I would bet you $100.

 

That's an easy bet to make, the odds that any singular prospect gets traded has got to be less than 50%. However, with Notins original point, the thing is he doesn't have to be traded for it to be true. Binelas can add depth to the system and another could be traded instead.

[notin]

I doubt Bloom would trade away a recent first round draft pick. I would bet you $100.

 

I'm certainly not saying Yorke is on the block, just that he was an example of the types of minor league deals the Sox could make with increased minor league depth.

 

As for Bloom dealing first-round picks, I might be a bit hesitant to make any such bet. 2015 Tampa first-rounder Richie Shaffer might want to take that action. 2018 first-rounder Matt Liberatore was also dealt by Tampa rather quickly, but I think Bloom was already in Boston...

[jacksonianmarch]

Renfroe is just as likely to hit .175 and end up on the bench as he is to repeat his career year. Bloom got him for nothing, enjoyed his career year and sold him off to get two good prospects. JBJ was the cost of doing business.

 

Like it or not, this is how Bloom team builds, and what’s he’s shown is that rather than tie up massive amounts of dollars in a single player, he uses the Sox monetary advantage to buy prospects (Ottavino deal). Sox were rebuilding. Bloom isn’t gonna shoot his load to keep an overachieving 21 team together or over-improve a team less likely to repeat. He’s got a plan and to this point it’s been a good one

[Bellhorn04]

How does one "over-improve" something?

 

I suppose one could relate this to something like Kimmi's claims about Dombrowski's trade for Sale being "overkill". Too much expenditure to get better, law of diminishing returns and all that.

[moonslav59]

It would e interesting if the Sox instead used Bradley as the trade bait to help some non-contending team offload a very expensive and useless contract. Bradley for Patrick Corbin?

 

If we did that, then this trade makes total sense, but somehow I think that's a long shot.

 

Are there others like Corbin that could be traded for? (Salary dumps with upside)

[notin]

If we did that, then this trade makes total sense, but somehow I think that's a long shot.

 

Are there others like Corbin that could be traded for? (Salary dumps with upside)

 

Probably, but he was the first one to come to mind. Certainly Madison Bumgarner would be a candidate, although not sure about any upside.

 

Trevor Bauer can be had, if you can ignore some rather odd off-field issues...

[Bellhorn04]

Probably, but he was the first one to come to mind. Certainly Madison Bumgarner would be a candidate, although not sure about any upside.

 

Trevor Bauer can be had, if you can ignore some rather odd off-field issues...

 

As you would say, you're as likely to be on the 2022 team as Bauer is.

[notin]

As you would say, you're as likely to be on the 2022 team as Bauer is.

 

Well, now you have to factor in Bloom's First Law of Unpredictability, which clearly states "odds were meant to be disregarded"...

[Bellhorn04]

Well, now you have to factor in Bloom's First Law of Unpredictability, which clearly states "odds were meant to be disregarded"...

 

True. I'm not sure Bauer will ever play in MLB again, though. He was already a dubious character before this latest bizarre scandal.

[mvp 78]

Column by Peter Abraham in the Globe coincides with the following points from posters:

 

1) It was all about the prospects. Bloom seems really high on both.

2) Sold high on Renfroe (Bloom didn't say that, Abraham did). Abraham also mentioned Renfroe's defensive issues.

3) Bloom expects some offensive bounce-back from JBJ.

 

So there you have it, folks. Maybe it looks FOS to some, but I can see the reasoning behind it.

 

I can understand the thought process of the trade without necessarily agreeing with it.

[mvp 78]

Bradley saw a huge spike in strike outs last year. If these come back close to normal, we would have a .230 hitter that plays great defense. Plus two decent prospects!

 

He stopped being able to hit the fastball for some reason. It could continue into 2022.

[Bellhorn04]

I can understand the thought process of the trade without necessarily agreeing with it.

 

Nothing wrong with that take.

[mvp 78]

Did the author quote some source that we can not see with respect to the potential of either of these two prospects? Based on what I have read, it is hard to imagine anyone investing this amount of money in two prospects that have yet to really do much. It is an incredible deal to really understand. It looks on the surface that it really is about the future as in the real future. My future is this spring. I think that this deal is ridiculous. I'm not saying that Renfroe is an all-star by any means but I would take him over JBJ everyday. As for the two prospects - not likely to show up in our lineup for a while if in fact ever.

 

One will be in AA in April. The other will most likely be in Greenville after OPSing over 1000 in low A. Hamilton could be in BOS this season if it breaks right. He's a speedy MIF and could be a better option to fill in at SS than Arauz. Binelas could be in AA at the end of the season and be in BOS at some point in 2023. It's not like we're talking about 16 year old kids in the DR.

[mvp 78]

It would e interesting if the Sox instead used Bradley as the trade bait to help some non-contending team offload a very expensive and useless contract. Bradley for Patrick Corbin?

 

(x) Doubt

[mvp 78]

I suppose one could relate this to something like Kimmi's claims about Dombrowski's trade for Sale being "overkill". Too much expenditure to get better, law of diminishing returns and all that.

 

In hindsight, I'd do that trade again with the same exact prospects if that's what it took.

[mvp 78]

Probably, but he was the first one to come to mind. Certainly Madison Bumgarner would be a candidate, although not sure about any upside.

 

Trevor Bauer can be had, if you can ignore some rather odd off-field issues...

 

Bauer is still suspended, right? There's a very good chance he doesn't pitch this season.

[moonslav59]

One will be in AA in April. The other will most likely be in Greenville after OPSing over 1000 in low A. Hamilton could be in BOS this season if it breaks right. He's a speedy MIF and could be a better option to fill in at SS than Arauz. Binelas could be in AA at the end of the season and be in BOS at some point in 2023. It's not like we're talking about 16 year old kids in the DR.

 

Does this make Arauz move higher up on the next player to be DFA'd list?

Edited December 3, 2021 by moonslav59

[notin]

Bauer is still suspended, right? There's a very good chance he doesn't pitch this season.

 

I don't think it matters. They aren't getting him...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

One will be in AA in April. The other will most likely be in Greenville after OPSing over 1000 in low A. Hamilton could be in BOS this season if it breaks right. He's a speedy MIF and could be a better option to fill in at SS than Arauz. Binelas could be in AA at the end of the season and be in BOS at some point in 2023. It's not like we're talking about 16 year old kids in the DR.

 

For some reason, I immediately like these two prospects better than the pair Bloom got the last time he traded a Red Sox rightfielder. Each looks like he has the promise of having an elite skill -- Hamilton's speed, Bineals' power -- and they're both just beginning pro careers, with room to grow.

 

Not that I had anything against Downs... except his first name and the fact that two other organizations traded him before he made Double A; I'm suspicious that two clubs would give up on a guy rated so highly.

 

Good points were made here by posters surmising that this deal may have been made so another could happen. Bloom just spoke about using his resources, and stockpiling prospects certainly gives him capital he'd rather use instead of spending more cash (beyond the cost of taking on someone else's salary dump).

 

I just don't think he'll trade Yorke as a minor leaguer, because that guy could turn out to be the plum of Bloom's resume. Casas is more likely, partly because he was a Dombro draft pick.

[notin]

(x) Doubt

 

We all doubt it. That's what makes it likely

[moonslav59]

We all doubt it. That's what makes it likely

 

That kind of thinking actually makes sense.

[mvp 78]

I don't think it matters. They aren't getting him...

 

It would be hard to stand by Bloom if he did this move. Unless he was doing this just to shoot Bauer into the sun.

[mvp 78]

Does this make Arauz move higher up on the next player to be DFA'd list?

 

No.

[moonslav59]

No.

 

I have him pretty high on the list before this trade, but since the two prospects do not need to be on the 40 man roster, keeping Arauz as depth makes sense. It's not like we have much at middle IF'er.

 

We lost the great Marwin and Santana!!!

[notin]

It would be hard to stand by Bloom if he did this move. Unless he was doing this just to shoot Bauer into the sun.

 

 

So if the Sox announced today they dealt Bradley to the Dodgers for Bauer and tickets on Jeff Bezos’ phallic rocket, thoughts?

[moonslav59]

So if the Sox announced today they dealt Bradley to the Dodgers for Bauer and tickets on Jeff Bezos’ phallic rocket, thoughts?

 

Just say no!