Sox sign James Paxton

[Bellhorn04]

I have lots of faith in injury prone pitchers as they age into their mid 30's.

 

No signings of pitchers should inspire anything resembling faith.

 

I do expect Bloom to make well-educated gambles, and I think that's all you can ask.

 

Even if Paxton washes out completely, $35 mill is not going to destroy us.

 

Just my take.

[Bellhorn04]

If they don't go over the lux tax cap again, this 10M is a huge waste for 2022.

 

We might be over the 2022 cap already, after Vaz, Wacha, Paxton, arb raise for Renfroe etc.

[S5Dewey]

I wonder, if there is a buy out for year 2 and 3.

 

soxprospects.com lists his salary at $12.5M for 2022 and 2023 with 2024 left blank. If they are accurate, maybe there is a $2.5M buyout after 2022- making it a $12.5M/1 deal, a $25M/2 deal or a $35M/3 deal- team choice.

 

I've also read only $10M is guaranteed.

 

"According to a major league source, the Red Sox have reached an agreement, pending a physical, with lefthander James Paxton on a one-year, $10 million deal for 2022 that includes a two-year club option for the 2023-24 seasons. If the option is exercised, the deal could be worth as much as $35 million."

-Alex Speier in today's Globe

[S5Dewey]

No signings of pitchers should inspire anything resembling faith.

 

I do expect Bloom to make well-educated gambles, and I think that's all you can ask.

 

Even if Paxton washes out completely, $35 mill is not going to destroy us.

 

Just my take.

 

If he washes out completely it's not $35M, it's $10M and cut him after one season. If he lasts into the second season the cost is ~$12.5 more and IMO well worth the gamble. Hey, when you're MLB what's $10M, more or less?

[Bellhorn04]

If he washes out completely it's not $35M, it's $10M and cut him after one season. If he lasts into the second season the cost is ~$12.5 more and IMO well worth the gamble. Hey, when you're MLB what's $10M, more or less?

 

Yes, you're right. The $35 mill worst case scenario would only be if they exercise the option.

[moonslav59]

"According to a major league source, the Red Sox have reached an agreement, pending a physical, with lefthander James Paxton on a one-year, $10 million deal for 2022 that includes a two-year club option for the 2023-24 seasons. If the option is exercised, the deal could be worth as much as $35 million."

-Alex Speier in today's Globe

 

Yes, I read this.

 

It almost sounds like the option is for two years and not one at a time.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, I read this.

 

It almost sounds like the option is for two years and not one at a time.

 

I think that's 100% correct.

[moonslav59]

I think that's 100% correct.

 

Another article mentions a "unique option", but did not go into specifics.

 

If he does real well in 2023 and 2024, $35M/2 isn't all that bad, either. 2022 would be a bonus.

[mvp 78]

Another article mentions a "unique option", but did not go into specifics.

 

If he does real well in 2023 and 2024, $35M/2 isn't all that bad, either. 2022 would be a bonus.

 

"All that bad"

 

"17.5AAV"

 

He needs be substantially better than "not all that bad."

[moonslav59]

"All that bad"

 

"17.5AAV"

 

He needs be substantially better than "not all that bad."

 

The money would not "be all that bad," if Paxton does "real well."

 

Did I say it wrongly?

 

His tax hit would just be $11.7M, right?

[a700hitter]

$10 million and we might see him at mid season? This is reminding me of the John Smoltz signing years ago. I don’t expect to see hIm and he if he shows up, I can’t see him making a difference. It seems to be another expensive Dumpster Dive.

[harmony]

The market is interesting in that James Paxton received a raise after getting paid $8.5 million in 2021 to throw only 21 pitches at the MLB level.

 

Paxton and Michael Wacha flew so far under the radar that neither made MLB Trade Rumors' list of Top 50 free agents* this offseason:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/top-50-mlb-free-agent-rankings.html

 

The Red Sox front office presumably has more and better information than the casual fan who is puzzled by the acquisitions.

* Paxton earned an honorable mention after the MLBTR list

[Old Red]

The market is interesting in that James Paxton received a raise after getting paid $8.5 million in 2021 to throw only 21 pitches at the MLB level.

 

Paxton and Michael Wacha flew so far under the radar that neither made MLB Trade Rumors' list of Top 50 free agents* this offseason:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/top-50-mlb-free-agent-rankings.html

 

The Red Sox front office presumably has more and better information than the casual fan who is puzzled by the acquisitions.

* Paxton earned an honorable mention after the MLBTR list

 

The problem is the Red Sox front office doesn’t have more information than all the other teams front offices have.

[moonslav59]

The market is interesting in that James Paxton received a raise after getting paid $8.5 million in 2021 to throw only 21 pitches at the MLB level.

 

Paxton and Michael Wacha flew so far under the radar that neither made MLB Trade Rumors' list of Top 50 free agents* this offseason:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/11/top-50-mlb-free-agent-rankings.html

 

The Red Sox front office presumably has more and better information than the casual fan who is puzzled by the acquisitions.

* Paxton earned an honorable mention after the MLBTR list

 

True enough.

 

I do recall people questioning why Kike was the only player signed beyond 1 year (not counting Sawamura), and many felt we paid him too much.

 

I hope Paxton & Wacha can do better than Richards and perez, but I'm still waiting on who replaces ERod. (Some might say Sale or Houck/Whitlock, but I think we need another significant addition.)

[Bellhorn04]

The problem is the Red Sox front office doesn’t have more information than all the other teams front offices have.

 

That's not a problem.

[Old Red]

That's not a problem.

 

Only time will tell.

[mvp 78]

Only time will tell.

 

How would they get MORE information than other clubs?

[harmony]

In other Tommy John news, on the same evening the Seattle Mariners reached a four-year extension with reliever Andres Munoz, who threw only 17 pitches in 2021 after missing the 2020 season post-surgery.

 

The difference is that Munoz was returning from Tommy John surgery while Paxton's surgery came after his 21 pitches in 2021.

 

The Seattle bullpen in 2022 will welcome high-end reliever Ken Giles in his return from Tommy John surgery. In a parallel to the Paxton pact, the Mariners last February signed Giles to a two-year, $7 million contract with the understanding that Giles would miss the entire 2021 season.

[Old Red]

How would they get MORE information than other clubs?

 

The point was that they have more info than the casual fan, but not more than all the other clubs, and the other clubs aren’t picking these players the Sox have.

[Bellhorn04]

The point was that they have more info than the casual fan, but not more than all the other clubs, and the other clubs aren’t picking these players the Sox have.

 

And what's the point of that point? We have no idea if other teams were in on Paxton. We only find out who actually signed him.

[harmony]

The point was that they have more info than the casual fan, but not more than all the other clubs, and the other clubs aren’t picking these players the Sox have.

And the Red Sox aren't picking up the free agents who have signed with other clubs. Perhaps the Red Sox have better information.

 

Or not.

[moonslav59]

And what's the point of that point? We have no idea if other teams were in on Paxton. We only find out who actually signed him.

 

It's a washing machine you're trying to converse with.

[notin]

And what's the point of that point? We have no idea if other teams were in on Paxton. We only find out who actually signed him.

 

By his logic, no one else was in on Seager. So what was Texas thinking?

[notin]

And the Red Sox aren't picking up the free agents who have signed with other clubs. Perhaps the Red Sox have better information.

 

Or not.

 

I think MLB rules prohibit the Sox (or any team) from picking up a player who has already signed with another club…

[mvp 78]

I think MLB rules prohibit the Sox (or any team) from picking up a player who has already signed with another club…

 

This could change with the new CBA.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This could change with the new CBA.

 

The first new CBA goal the union's trying to change is its very name; they're against any GM with a Collecting Bargains Agenda.

[mvp 78]

The first new CBA goal the union's trying to change is its very name; they're against any GM with a Collecting Bargains Agenda.

 

Also, there should only be one CBA and that one had Dr J in it.

[notin]

Also, there should only be one CBA and that one had Dr J in it.

 

 

The Chicago Bar Association might want a word with you…

[Old Red]

It's a washing machine you're trying to converse with.

 

Still with the name calling. How childish.

[moonslav59]

2nd rinse cycle.