Robot Umps?!

[moonslav59]

Robo Umps would not have stopped this...

 

Must watch! Crazy!

 

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[notin]

IDK, if I turn on a weekend game and Angel Hernandez is behind home plate, it clears up my schedule and I can just turn the game off.

 

The problem with Angel Hernandez is he just stands to close to the plate. He should be further back. Up in the stands. As a paying customer…

[mvp 78]

The problem with Angel Hernandez is he just stands to close to the plate. He should be further back. Up in the stands. As a paying customer…

 

Stop.

 

 

 

 

Stop Angel Hernandez from even entering a stadium.

[moonslav59]

Stop Angel Hernandez from even entering a stadium.

 

You don't want to watch him yelling at the umps from the stands?

 

Now, that would be entertainment!

[notin]

Stop.

 

 

 

 

Stop Angel Hernandez from even entering a stadium.

 

Eh.

 

I've seen worse fans. Heck, I've sat in front of them...

[Kimmi]

You mis-read that, I think, Kimmi. Dewey and I are saying "a lot" of the 90% called right are clear cut.

 

If you take out the clear cut ones the error rate might be 20% or more.

 

I guess I see it a different way. If the 10% missed calls are coming from borderline calls, is there really a reason to gripe?

[Kimmi]

It's 2021. Time's up. Hoping they might actually fix an entrenched, corrupt process isn't good enough. Those kind of hopes seldom pan out.

 

I keep telling people that I'm very old school, but they don't believe me.

[moonslav59]

I guess I see it a different way. If the 10% missed calls are coming from borderline calls, is there really a reason to gripe?

 

Why are you okay with even 1%?

[Kimmi]

I still ask, how is even a 2 or 3% error rate a fun and exciting part of baseball?

 

The "human element" in players is part of the game. They make mistakes, and it is certainly part of the game.

 

Bad calls should not be, and more importantly, need not be part of the game.

 

Why you keep stating that those against robot umps get excited about a missed call is beyond me. I dislike missed calls as much as the next person does, especially when it goes against my team.

 

Robot umps would dehumanize a large part of the game. Human emotion is a big part of the players' game. I enjoy pitchers and batters showing emotion when a call doesn't go their way. I also enjoy watching those players who don't seem to let it bother them as much as others. I enjoy watching the cat and mouse strategy between pitcher, batter, and yes, even the umpire during an at bat.

 

With robot umps, the pitchers and batters will become someone robotic as well. That's where the enjoyment would be lost. I can still remember Youkilis shaking his head in the dugout over a call that happened in like the second inning of the game. That's good stuff.

[Kimmi]

Why are you okay with even 1%?

 

We're okay with players making errors more than 1% of the time. People are not meant to be perfect.

 

FTR, robot umps are not 100% correct either.

[moonslav59]

We're okay with players making errors more than 1% of the time. People are not meant to be perfect.

 

FTR, robot umps are not 100% correct either.

 

Errors by players are part of "the game." The games are meant to be about the skill levels of the players.

 

Errors by umps don't have to be and add nothing to the game.

[moonslav59]

Why you keep stating that those against robot umps get excited about a missed call is beyond me. I dislike missed calls as much as the next person does, especially when it goes against my team.

 

Robot umps would dehumanize a large part of the game. Human emotion is a big part of the players' game. I enjoy pitchers and batters showing emotion when a call doesn't go their way. I also enjoy watching those players who don't seem to let it bother them as much as others. I enjoy watching the cat and mouse strategy between pitcher, batter, and yes, even the umpire during an at bat.

 

With robot umps, the pitchers and batters will become someone robotic as well. That's where the enjoyment would be lost. I can still remember Youkilis shaking his head in the dugout over a call that happened in like the second inning of the game. That's good stuff.

 

You just admitted enjoying it after saying you don't. (It's not about the words chosen by me, anyway.)

 

There is no dehumanization of the game going on, and the umps are not dehumanized either. They are given a tool to do a better job, and they still have to make calls other thn balls and strikes.

[cp176]

Why you keep stating that those against robot umps get excited about a missed call is beyond me. I dislike missed calls as much as the next person does, especially when it goes against my team.

 

Robot umps would dehumanize a large part of the game. Human emotion is a big part of the players' game. I enjoy pitchers and batters showing emotion when a call doesn't go their way. I also enjoy watching those players who don't seem to let it bother them as much as others. I enjoy watching the cat and mouse strategy between pitcher, batter, and yes, even the umpire during an at bat.

 

With robot umps, the pitchers and batters will become someone robotic as well. That's where the enjoyment would be lost. I can still remember Youkilis shaking his head in the dugout over a call that happened in like the second inning of the game. That's good stuff.

 

Guess what - this is a post that clearly explains how I feel about this issue. Thanks for expressing it the way you have.

[notin]

Why you keep stating that those against robot umps get excited about a missed call is beyond me. I dislike missed calls as much as the next person does, especially when it goes against my team.

 

Robot umps would dehumanize a large part of the game. Human emotion is a big part of the players' game. I enjoy pitchers and batters showing emotion when a call doesn't go their way. I also enjoy watching those players who don't seem to let it bother them as much as others. I enjoy watching the cat and mouse strategy between pitcher, batter, and yes, even the umpire during an at bat.

 

With robot umps, the pitchers and batters will become someone robotic as well. That's where the enjoyment would be lost. I can still remember Youkilis shaking his head in the dugout over a call that happened in like the second inning of the game. That's good stuff.

 

Officiating just isn’t part of any sport I want to enjoy. I just want them to quietly make calls correctly, equally and fairly and be non-factors.

 

And ball/strike calls are just a ridiculous task to ask any human being to perform…

[Bellhorn04]

I guess I see it a different way. If the 10% missed calls are coming from borderline calls, is there really a reason to gripe?

 

And we're not saying the whole 10% comes from borderline calls. A lot of the missed calls are no-doubters. If you follow games on Gameday you will see pitches called strikes where the whole ball is outside the zone with "daylight" in between. Like the one Diaz called on JD in Game 4.

Edited November 3, 2021 by Bellhorn04

[jad]

Why you keep stating that those against robot umps get excited about a missed call is beyond me. I dislike missed calls as much as the next person does, especially when it goes against my team.

 

Robot umps would dehumanize a large part of the game. Human emotion is a big part of the players' game. I enjoy pitchers and batters showing emotion when a call doesn't go their way. I also enjoy watching those players who don't seem to let it bother them as much as others. I enjoy watching the cat and mouse strategy between pitcher, batter, and yes, even the umpire during an at bat.

 

With robot umps, the pitchers and batters will become someone robotic as well. That's where the enjoyment would be lost. I can still remember Youkilis shaking his head in the dugout over a call that happened in like the second inning of the game. That's good stuff.

 

 

Why do you keep claiming you don't get enjoyment out of missed calls?

[Bellhorn04]

Why do you keep claiming you don't get enjoyment out of missed calls?

 

She seems to be saying she doesn't like the missed calls per se, but enjoys the players' reactions to them. But it does seem like a mixed message.

[jad]

She seems to be saying she doesn't like the missed calls per se, but enjoys the players' reactions to them. But it does seem like a mixed message.

 

Yeah ask anyone who has umpired a local game how much they like the way 'fans' and parents of entitled kids express their 'enjoyment' of what they feel are missed calls (i.e., any call that goes against their team or their kid).

[mvp 78]

She seems to be saying she doesn't like the missed calls per se, but enjoys the players' reactions to them. But it does seem like a mixed message.

 

Players reacting to balls and strikes is very low on my list of things I like. Same with managers yelling at the umps.

[notin]

Yeah ask anyone who has umpired a local game how much they like the way 'fans' and parents of entitled kids express their 'enjoyment' of what they feel are missed calls (i.e., any call that goes against their team or their kid).

 

I've seen some of the coaches go after umpires who were just 12 or 13 yo kids. Off course, there will never be robot umpires at the 10U and 12U level...

[jad]

Players reacting to balls and strikes is very low on my list of things I like. Same with managers yelling at the umps.

 

It is absolutely the worst part of any sports event. (Like NBA players reacting to every touch foul, whether it is called or not called).

[notin]

It is absolutely the worst part of any sports event. (Like NBA players reacting to every touch foul, whether it is called or not called).

 

It strikes me as childish. The only thing worse is when the umpires themselves get childish. (I'm looking at you, Joe West.)

[jad]

I've seen some of the coaches go after umpires who were just 12 or 13 yo kids. Off course, there will never be robot umpires at the 10U and 12U level...

 

So have I (in fact, I've been that kid). Even the NFL (in its anti-bounty rules and anti-taunting rules) understands that everything they encourage or permit will quickly work its way down to college/h.s./summer league/peewee etc. Because MLB allows managers and players to yap and act like a-holes, kids and even coaches on every level will do the same thing. Putting in a rule eliminating arguing balls and strikes was a good Step 1; allowing challenges (which I do not much like) was a reasonable Step 2; Step 3 will be introducing a machine making such argument impossible. And the less you have of the b.s. in the majors, the less you will see of it in your local little league.

[Bellhorn04]

Yeah ask anyone who has umpired a local game how much they like the way 'fans' and parents of entitled kids express their 'enjoyment' of what they feel are missed calls (i.e., any call that goes against their team or their kid).

 

Ain't that the ugly truth.

[Bellhorn04]

It strikes me as childish. The only thing worse is when the umpires themselves get childish. (I'm looking at you, Joe West.)

 

I still can't ever say anything bad about Joe.

[notin]

So have I (in fact, I've been that kid). Even the NFL (in its anti-bounty rules and anti-taunting rules) understands that everything they encourage or permit will quickly work its way down to college/h.s./summer league/peewee etc. Because MLB allows managers and players to yap and act like a-holes, kids and even coaches on every level will do the same thing. Putting in a rule eliminating arguing balls and strikes was a good Step 1; allowing challenges (which I do not much like) was a reasonable Step 2; Step 3 will be introducing a machine making such argument impossible. And the less you have of the b.s. in the majors, the less you will see of it in your local little league.

 

Well, they don't allow challenges on balls and strikes.

[mvp 78]

Yeah ask anyone who has umpired a local game how much they like the way 'fans' and parents of entitled kids express their 'enjoyment' of what they feel are missed calls (i.e., any call that goes against their team or their kid).

 

Was my dad in the crowd?

 

I go out of my way at my kids' games to not complain about the umpiring.

[jad]

Well, they don't allow challenges on balls and strikes.

 

Right. They also do not allow arguing over them. (I was referring to other calls--foul/fair, which can be resolved much more efficiently by a challenge than having a stupid manager stomp about kicking dirt around.)

[mvp 78]

It is absolutely the worst part of any sports event. (Like NBA players reacting to every touch foul, whether it is called or not called).

 

WRs looking for a flag after every pass.

[notin]

Right. They also do not allow arguing over them. (I was referring to other calls--foul/fair, which can be resolved much more efficiently by a challenge than having a stupid manager stomp about kicking dirt around.)

 

Even fair/foul calls cannot be challenged unless the ball was a home run. And they won't be, because there are no guidelines for what to do with baserunners.

 

I think baseball has done a pretty poor job overall with instant replay. It works out pretty well for safe/out calls at 1b, but far too often it is used to reverse calls on baserunners because they separated from the bag for a frantion of a second during their slide...