Robot Umps?!

[notin]

Talk about distorting what I wrote and getting everything ass backwards.

As I said we don't get to use instant replay in our daily interactions. We don't get mulligans except on the golf course and that is not kosher.

 

I lost interest in the NFL because of its increased use of technology and the resulting increased stoppages of play. I really do not give damn what the NFL does because I have lost all interest in professional football. If the NFL wants to go to Robo refs more power to them. I could care less.

 

You did specifically write that police don’t get to use instant replay, irrelevant as that is.

 

Really this is more of an argument for robo strike zones. If you don’t like do-overs, you should do everything possible to get it right the first time…

[Kimmi]

Put glue on the bags then. The bags are the real problem. They're not exactly high-tech equip.

 

Sliding into a base correctly is a baseball skill. That includes being able to stay on the bag as you complete your slide.

[Bellhorn04]

I'm just having a problem with the argument that we should used technology to get balls and strikes calls 100% right because the technology is available, yet we don't want to use technology to get the other calls right.

 

I get your point, I really do.

 

With the base thing, this seems to be something that has cropped up only since the current high-tech cameras came along. Until then no one even realized that it happened. So it's a new issue, and one that needs to be looked at. One of my arguments would be that the equipment is actually the problem.

[notin]

Playing whiffleball growing up we found we really needed an ump, otherwise some kids just didn’t swing forever. Pitchers and hitters just never agreed.

 

Then someone not named notin (only because that’s not his real name) came up with the idea of using a lawn chair as a strike zone. Get the ball into the “sitting area” of the lawn chair and it’s a strike - arguments gone, no questions. And no one had 55 pitch at bats. Solved every problem.

 

So if you don’t see the benefit of technological strike/ball calls, can we agree on using lawn chairs?

[Elktonnick]

Instant replay doesn't do the play over, it just reviews the accuracy of the call.

 

And robo umps obviously make the call in real time.

Nether is the norm in daily life. If you stop and think about it the normal human being makes thousands of decisions daily.

[notin]

Nether is the norm in daily life. If you stop and think about it the normal human being makes thousands of decisions daily.

 

So?

 

Numerous sports use technology to make calls and handle limited officiating.

 

Want to go back to using stopwatches to time sprinters? Do we need controversies where Runner A clearly won the race but Runner B had a faster time because the two officials were humans who were not in sync?

[Bellhorn04]

I also see no reason why the front edge of home plate, rather than the whole pentagon, shouldn't be used to define the zone. I don't think human umps use the whole plate. The back of the damn thing narrows down to a point, so what possible sense does that make? Edited November 5, 2021 by Bellhorn04

[notin]

In fact on the subject of other sports, did you know in the Olympics, gymnasts can request reviews of their routine for accurate scoring? And the scorers can adjust the score in either direction after the review?

[Bellhorn04]

Nether is the norm in daily life. If you stop and think about it the normal human being makes thousands of decisions daily.

 

And many of those decisions are reviewed by somebody, and are often changed.

[Bellhorn04]

So?

 

Numerous sports use technology to make calls and handle limited officiating.

 

Want to go back to using stopwatches to time sprinters? Do we need controversies where Runner A clearly won the race but Runner B had a faster time because the two officials were humans who were not in sync?

 

Actually, get rid of those damn watches too, they're technological and accurate as hell. Do it by eye, man.

[Elktonnick]

You did specifically write that police don’t get to use instant replay, irrelevant as that is.

 

Really this is more of an argument for robo strike zones. If you don’t like do-overs, you should do everything possible to get it right the first time…

It was not irrelevant ask any police officer or any one in authority who is called upon to make split second decisions. What is irrelevant is I was talking about football not baseball. Specifically we were discussing why I lost interest in the NFL and I said it was it because of the instant replay.

[notin]

I also see no reason why the front edge of home plate, rather than the whole pentagon, be used to define the width. I don't think human umps use the whole plate. The back of the damn thing narrows down to a point, so what possible sense does that make?

 

 

They already use a 3-D hologram box to show the path of the ball vs the three dimensional strike zone. It’s probably not accurate, since it’s primarily used solely for the TV audience. But I’m sure it could also be modified to call balls and strikes with increased accuracy.

 

And the plate narrows down to a point so it fits within the foul lines and the entire plate is in fair territory…

[Elktonnick]

And many of those decisions are reviewed by somebody, and are often changed.

Wrong most decisions a human being makes daily are reviewed by no one and are not changed. For example you just made a decision to write what you wrote. No one reviewed it or changed what you wrote.

[Bellhorn04]

Wrong most decisions a human being makes daily are reviewed by no one and are not changed. For example you just made a decision to write what you wrote. No one reviewed it or changed what you wrote.

 

I do review my posts. And I just edited one up above.

 

Seriously, Nick, you're grasping at straws here.

[Elktonnick]

I do review my posts. And I just edited one up above.

 

Seriously, Nick, you're grasping at straws here.

Reviewing ones own work is not the same as having an outside entity. The fact is we make thousands of instantaneous decisions daily. In life we don't get do overs.

[moonslav59]

The courts do…

 

Yes, and the courts make the call.

 

Guilty or innocent.

 

Ball or strike.

[Kimmi]

Actually, get rid of those damn watches too, they're technological and accurate as hell. Do it by eye, man.

 

No need for snark.

[Kimmi]

Those of you who are pro robot umps seem to be very intolerant of the opinions of the other side.

 

That's my take.

[Bellhorn04]

No need for snark.

 

It was just a silly joke with notin. But I also like notin's point about the sport of track. It would be absurd not to officiate that sport with the best technology available.

[Bellhorn04]

Whether we like it or not, the game of baseball has become dominated by technology, from pitching management to defensive positioning to launch angle and exit velocity and plenty more. Technology just can't be held back, it seems.

[Bellhorn04]

Reviewing ones own work is not the same as having an outside entity. The fact is we make thousands of instantaneous decisions daily. In life we don't get do overs.

 

It seems like a lot of what you're calling decisions is just habitual behavior, instinctive responses. We don't make that many decisions in a day that require actual conscious thought and a choice between distinct options.

 

I assume you're calling the choice of which shirt to wear one of those decisions. The fact is we do get do-overs on a lot of our decisions. I'm sure you've put one shirt on and then later decided to change into another shirt.

[notin]

Reviewing ones own work is not the same as having an outside entity. The fact is we make thousands of instantaneous decisions daily. In life we don't get do overs.

 

It’s also not relevant.

 

Just because no one stepped in to make you question your choice of eating chocolate-dipped radishes or no one prevented you from acting on your decision to flush a whole grapefruit doesn’t mean having technology aid officials is a bad thing. That you lost interest in the NFL - an interest I’d wager was never all that strong to begin with - is also irrelevant to this thread, unless we are allowed to connect it to robo umps…

[Elktonnick]

It’s also not relevant.

 

Just because no one stepped in to make you question your choice of eating chocolate-dipped radishes or no one prevented you from acting on your decision to flush a whole grapefruit doesn’t mean having technology aid officials is a bad thing. That you lost interest in the NFL - an interest I’d wager was never all that strong to begin with - is also irrelevant to this thread, unless we are allowed to connect it to robo umps…

 

Aren't you the smug one to presume to know what my previous interest in the NFL was. BTW I did tie the use of instant replay football to Robo umps. And I never said or implied that all technology in sport was a bad thing per se. which is typical hyperbole on your part. But I happen to believe they went too far in pro football and are about to do the same in MLB.

[Elktonnick]

It seems like a lot of what you're calling decisions is just habitual behavior, instinctive responses. We don't make that many decisions in a day that require actual conscious thought and a choice between distinct options.

 

I assume you're calling the choice of which shirt to wear one of those decisions. The fact is we do get do-overs on a lot of our decisions. I'm sure you've put one shirt on and then later decided to change into another shirt.

 

The do overs in life are not because a machine tells us to.

[notin]

Aren't you the smug one to presume to know what my previous interest in the NFL was. BTW I did tie the use of instant replay football to Robo umps. And I never said or implied that all technology in sport was a bad thing per se. which is typical hyperbole on your part. But I happen to believe they went too far in pro football and are about to do the same in MLB.

 

 

Technically I never said what it was; I just inferred from your statements it wasn’t all that great and did so in wager form. Basically I was feeling confident about it. I mean, turned off by instant replay rules? Come on!

 

Now if you were turned off by their previous overtime rules, I could see that. Heck, I’d stand by it. Turned off by their inundation of erectile dysfunction commercials interwoven with Domino’s ads? Absolutely! That the league clearly thinks their fan base are all a bunch of pizza-slurping limp lizards should be a reason to change channels!

 

But instant replay? If THAT is what pushed you over the edge, just how far away was that edge?

 

With a league that has given us so many real reasons to watch PBS, I struggle to believe instant replay was the reason why…

Edited November 7, 2021 by notin