A Realistic View at 2022: Part I

[moonslav59]

Our Current 33 Man Roster (40 Man, soon) by GM Acquisition:

 

3- Theo

Vazquez- draft

Bogaerts- IFA

Barnes- draft

 

3-4 Ben

(ERod- trade)

Devers- IFA

DHern- IFA

Bazardo IFA

 

10+- DD

Sale- trade

JD- FA

Brasier- minor league FA

Eovaldi- trade & FA

Taylor- trade

Dalbec- draft

Groome- draft

Mata- IFA

Houck-draft

Duran- draft

(Draft: Casas, Feltman; IFA Bello, Jimenez)

 

17+ Bloom

Arauz- Rule 5

Plawecki- FA

Verdugo- trade

Valdez- waivers

Pivetta- trade

Arroyo- waivers

Wong- trade

Seabold- trade

Rosario- trade

Potts- trade

Whitlock- Rule 5

Renfroe- FA

Kike- FA

Sawamura- FA

R Hernandez- trade

Davis- trade

Locastro- waivers

(Draft: Mayer, Yorke; Trade: V Santos, Winckowski)

 

Edited November 11, 2021 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

Third year in, Bloom has acquired half the roster. It's definitely his team now. Can't really complain about DD anymore.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Third year in, Bloom has acquired half the roster. It's definitely his team now. Can't really complain about DD anymore.

 

But people can still say, "Thanks, Dave" (maybe even for GMing Boston's last world champs).

[moonslav59]

Third year in, Bloom has acquired half the roster. It's definitely his team now. Can't really complain about DD anymore.

 

It's going to be 60% Bloom's team by opening day.

[Bellhorn04]

Third year in, Bloom has acquired half the roster. It's definitely his team now. Can't really complain about DD anymore.

 

But we'd also have to consider how much of the 2022 payroll cost can be attributed to DD.

[mvp 78]

But we'd also have to consider how much of the 2022 payroll cost can be attributed to DD.

 

Maybe only in terms of Price's 16M in dead money.

[moonslav59]

Maybe only in terms of Price's 16M in dead money.

 

Dead or not, other DD players are costly. Some drop off the rolls after 2022.

[mvp 78]

Dead or not, other DD players are costly. Some drop off the rolls after 2022.

 

Sale? Probably overpaid unless he can come back better.

Bogaerts? FMV

JD? Overpaid

Eovaldi? FMV

Devers? Underpaid

Barnes? Overpaid (Bloom)

Renfroe? FMV

Kiké? FMV

Vaz? Slightly overpaid?

Pivetta? FMV

 

So is your problem just Sale and JD?

[moonslav59]

Sale? Probably overpaid unless he can come back better.

Bogaerts? FMV

JD? Overpaid

Eovaldi? FMV

Devers? Underpaid

Barnes? Overpaid (Bloom)

Renfroe? FMV

Kiké? FMV

Vaz? Slightly overpaid?

Pivetta? FMV

 

So is your problem just Sale and JD?

 

I did not say over-paid. I said costly.

 

I never said anything of a problem.

 

I'm not sure why you added names that are not DD's, either.

 

The point was DD's players have a large share of the budget. They do. It's not a problem, IMO, except for Price.

 

(One could say most of the "dead money" is DD's.)

Edited November 11, 2021 by moonslav59

[dgalehouse]

In his defense, Dombrowski put together one of the greatest teams ever assembled. A team without any serious weaknesses. A team that won 108 games in the regular season and went 11-3 in the post season against some of the toughest opposition you can find.

[notin]

In his defense, Dombrowski put together one of the greatest teams ever assembled. A team without any serious weaknesses. A team that won 108 games in the regular season and went 11-3 in the post season against some of the toughest opposition you can find.

 

And no one is allowed to mention His Name without dgalehouse offering up that exact response every time....

[moonslav59]

And no one is allowed to mention His Name without dgalehouse offering up that exact response every time....

 

Nobody was even bashing DD.

[Maxbialystock]

Thanks to all you Veterans out there.

[dgalehouse]

Well , unlike the Bloom fan club crew , I don't mention Dombrowski every single day and in almost every single thread.

[Bellhorn04]

Well , unlike the Bloom fan club crew , I don't mention Dombrowski every single day and in almost every single thread.

 

Bloom is the guy who makes the personnel moves, so it seems to make sense he'd be discussed a lot. Just as DD was discussed a lot when he was the guy. And he still is discussed a lot. He gets criticized a lot but he also gets supported a lot.

[notin]

Well , unlike the Bloom fan club crew , I don't mention Dombrowski every single day and in almost every single thread.

 

Bloom is acting as the current GM. Does it really surprise you that his name comes up in the off-season?

 

The same people who like Bloom also liked Theo Epstein. Do they ever mention Epstein?

[moonslav59]

Bloom is the guy who makes the personnel moves, so it seems to make sense he'd be discussed a lot. Just as DD was discussed a lot when he was the guy. And he still is discussed a lot. He gets criticized a lot but he also gets supported a lot.

 

Current GMs are often discussed?

 

Who knew?

[mvp 78]

Well , unlike the Bloom fan club crew , I don't mention Dombrowski every single day and in almost every single thread.

 

It's the offseason. The only thing to talk about is what Bloom is going to do.

[dgalehouse]

I just think that, for a guy who has yet to break his maiden ringwise, Bloom receives an inordinate amount of hype and applause from certain esteemed posters , whether it is during the season or during the off season.

[moonslav59]

I just think that, for a guy who has yet to break his maiden ringwise, Bloom receives an inordinate amount of hype and applause from certain esteemed posters , whether it is during the season or during the off season.

 

I am one who does count winning a ring as an essential part of grading out a GM, but considering what Bloom was handed for a roster, budget and cost-cutting priorities, I can't see how anyone can say he has not done a fine job rebuilding the 40 man roster depth and farm.

 

Whether some of us go overboard is something that is probably true, but I don't see it happening more with Bloom than other recent Sox GMs before they won their first ring.

[notin]

I just think that, for a guy who has yet to break his maiden ringwise, Bloom receives an inordinate amount of hype and applause from certain esteemed posters , whether it is during the season or during the off season.

 

And maybe some people think Dombrowski receives an inordinate amount of hype for a GM who was handed a very solid core, a top tier farm system and, unlike his predecessor and his successor, was still handed a blank checkbook.

 

I guess winning while having a payroll of 25 players who tally just shy of a quarter of a billion dollars just doesn't really dazzle everyone to the same level.

[moonslav59]

And maybe some people think Dombrowski receives an inordinate amount of hype for a GM who was handed a very solid core, a top tier farm system and, unlike his predecessor and his successor, was still handed a blank checkbook.

 

I guess winning while having a payroll of 25 players who tally just shy of a quarter of a billion dollars just doesn't really dazzle everyone to the same level.

 

Not everyone who spends big wins rings, so I give DD a lot of credit, but your point is solid.

 

We should have expected greatness with that roster and budget, but had we not won, would that have been DD's fault?

 

I guess that's just the way it is with GMs.

[Bellhorn04]

And maybe some people think Dombrowski receives an inordinate amount of hype for a GM who was handed a very solid core, a top tier farm system and, unlike his predecessor and his successor, was still handed a blank checkbook.

 

I guess winning while having a payroll of 25 players who tally just shy of a quarter of a billion dollars just doesn't really dazzle everyone to the same level.

 

Ha ha here we go again.

 

Dombrowski was by no means fully responsible for that quarter of a billion. And a lot of the dead money came from Ben.

[moonslav59]

Ha ha here we go again.

 

Dombrowski was by no means fully responsible for that quarter of a billion. And a lot of the dead money came from Ben.

 

Almost all the "dead money" was Ben's but the point I think he was making was that DD was allowed to spend more than Ben and Bloom.

 

He also traded more of the farm away than Ben & Bloom, so the thought is, a good team was expected as the window was narrowed.

 

While Ben was allowed to spend, at times (HRam, Pablo & Castillo), he was also limited several years. DD was limited in 2019, and the team declined.

 

$10M+ Free Agent Contracts:

 

DD

$217M Price

$110M JD

$68M Eovaldi

$13M C Young

$13M Moreland

 

Ben

$95M Pablo

$88M HRam

($73M Castillo)

($63M Moncada)

$39M Vic

$32M Napoli

$26M Ortiz

$18M Koji

$13M Dempster (retired leaving another $13M on the table)

$10M S Drew

 

Bloom

$14M Kike

$10M Richards

 

Other notable signings:

Ben:

Pedroia- $90M (extension)

Porcello- $83M/4 (extension)

DD:

Kimbrel- $42M/4 (traded for CK)

C Sale $33M/5 (traded for CS)

$145M/5 C Sale (extension)

$120M/6 Bogey (extension- actually $60M/3 w optout)

Bloom:

$19M: Barnes (extension)

 

Did I miss anyone major?

 

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

And maybe some people think Dombrowski receives an inordinate amount of hype for a GM who was handed a very solid core, a top tier farm system and, unlike his predecessor and his successor, was still handed a blank checkbook.

 

I guess winning while having a payroll of 25 players who tally just shy of a quarter of a billion dollars just doesn't really dazzle everyone to the same level.

 

I like the razzle dazzle.

[mvp 78]

Ha ha here we go again.

 

Dombrowski was by no means fully responsible for that quarter of a billion. And a lot of the dead money came from Ben.

 

But.... not only did they win, THEY WON A TEAM RECORD 108 GAMES.

[mvp 78]

Almost all the "dead money" was Ben's but the point I think he was making was that DD was allowed to spend more than Ben and Bloom.

 

He also traded more of the farm away than Ben & Bloom, so the thought is, a good team was expected as the window was narrowed.

 

1. Ben was too stingy with the trades.

 

2. Bloom hasn't been here long enough or had the right timing to trade from his farm system.

[Bellhorn04]

Almost all the "dead money" was Ben's but the point I think he was making was that DD was allowed to spend more than Ben and Bloom.

 

Did he actually spend more than Ben? Have to do the numbers on that one.

[moonslav59]

Did he actually spend more than Ben? Have to do the numbers on that one.

 

More on 2 biggest contracts. Ben spread it out.

[moonslav59]

1. Ben was too stingy with the trades.

 

I'm convinced Ben was primed to make some trades, but I doubt at DD's level.

 

He may have traded for Sale but not Sale & Kimbrel, IMO.

 

The roster was so deep and loaded, he'd have had to DFA some very talented players.