trade deadline

[moonslav59]

Yankees did get better. Their first base production was worse than the Sox's.

 

They got worse after 2021 and are not a top 4 fave in the AL.

[Nick]

I love it!

 

They seem to be sending better talent to make up for not having to pay for 2021 salaries of players they've acquired.

[notin]

Diego Castillo to Seattle

[oldtimer]

I love it!

 

I didn't expect the Sox really wanted Rizzo that much. They will fill that need but may be a surprise,

[d-money]

Berrios would be an example where the consolation prize beats the grand prize.

 

(I'm pulling for Jon Gray and Carlos Santana.)

 

I am one that likes Jon Gray. I would love the addition.

[moonslav59]

They are the WC team we likely face and Now you get to see Rizzo and Gallo ....Chaim just got Humiliated by Cash .

 

Those are two losing moves by Cash. He's desperate, and it shows.

 

If Bloom gets Gray & Santana, we get better by more than the Yanks and will give up less to get them.

 

Calm down.

 

Bloom da man.

[d-money]

Rodriguez, Perez, Pivetta, Richards. I don’t trust any of these guys which is why they need starting pitching.

[notin]

Those are two losing moves by Cash. He's desperate, and it shows.

 

If Bloom gets Gray & Santana, we get better by more than the Yanks and will give up less to get them.

 

Calm down.

 

Bloom da man.

 

Cashman added the two best available left-handed bats for no money while holding his best prospects. I am far from calling either move bad or desperate, let alone combining them.

 

Plus now he can move Voit to backfill some of the miniscule farm depletion.

 

I don’t expect Voit to move until almost the deadline, so as to prevent his new team from flipping him to Boston…

[iortiz]

Those are two losing moves by Cash. He's desperate, and it shows.

 

If Bloom gets Gray & Santana, we get better by more than the Yanks and will give up less to get them.

 

Calm down.

 

Bloom da man.

I don't like Jay but I do like Santana.

[moonslav59]

Cashman added the two best available left-handed bats for no money while holding his best prospects. I am far from calling either move bad or desperate, let alone combining them.

 

Plus now he can move Voit to backfill some of the miniscule farm depletion.

 

I don’t expect Voit to move until almost the deadline, so as to prevent his new team from flipping him to Boston…

 

No top prospects because these guys weren't worth them.

 

He did give up some decent farm hands.

 

I'm glad they went buyer vs seller. Super glad.

 

Bloom will do something.

 

Better.

[moonslav59]

I don't like Jay but I do like Santana.

 

Do an ERA- or + study on Gray from 2021, 2020-2021 or 2019-2020.Better yet, just look at my data I provided.

 

It's all about run prevention numbers.

 

Gray is better than 3-4 or our starters in any time period after 2018.

[moonslav59]

Rodriguez, Perez, Pivetta, Richards. I don’t trust any of these guys which is why they need starting pitching.

 

Yes, it's always about SP'ing.

 

The Dodgers and Padres know this.

 

The Yanks go bats. Silly Yanks!

 

Dumb Cashman.

[a700hitter]

Cashman never seems to take salary in any of these deals.

[iortiz]

Do an ERA- or + study on Gray from 2021, 2020-2021 or 2019-2020.Better yet, just look at my data I provided.

 

It's all about run prevention numbers.

 

Gray is better than 3-4 or our starters in any time period after 2018.

 

His 2021 FIP, xFIP and SIERA don't look good, they all suggest his ERA should be higher. His BABIP is a good indicator of that. His BABIP and our IF is the perfect recipe of a time bomb.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Do an ERA- or + study on Gray from 2021, 2020-2021 or 2019-2020.Better yet, just look at my data I provided.

 

It's all about run prevention numbers.

 

Gray is better than 3-4 or our starters in any time period after 2018.

 

Gray's xFIP= 4.25. He was even worse last season. I would keep away from Gray. I would rather use Houck in the rotation, definitely E-Rod too.

 

Berrios is a different story. He is worth trading for.

 

As far as Rizzo goes, if the Red Sox wanted him bad enough, they could have easily topped the Yankees offer. With that said, Alacantara isn't a terrible prospect.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

His 2021 FIP, xFIP and SIERA don't look good, they all suggest his ERA should be higher. His BABIP is a good indicator of that. His BABIP and our IF is the perfect recipe of a time bomb.

 

Just seeing your post now -- beat me to it.

[iortiz]

Just seeing your post now -- beat me to it.

 

IMO if they make a move at all, they need to add an arm at the top of the rotation, otherwise I would stay as it is. We have plenty at the middle-bottom.

[dgalehouse]

Looks like the Dodgers are pushing hard for Scherzer and Turner from the Nats. Very active trade deadline this year. More to come for sure.

[Nick]

Chaim watching the Yankees blow up their farm system for a lifetime .211 hitter with a career K% of 36.7 when the league average is 23.6%.

 

Edited July 30, 2021 by Nick

[Fan_since_Boggs]

IMO if they make a move at all, they need to add an arm at the top of the rotation, otherwise I would stay as it is. We have plenty at the middle-bottom.

 

Agreed. If the Red Sox can't get Berrios or Scherzer, I would go after a bullpen upgrade.

 

The Dodgers acquired Danny Duffy for a player to be named later. I guess that means no one wanted Duffy? I don't know but Duffy is injured and that probably mitigated interest.

Edited July 30, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

Rizzo's OPS+ trend:

 

OPS+ in 2 year increments

149 2014-2015

137 2016-2017

132 2018-2019

111 2020-2021

[Bellhorn04]

Looks like the Dodgers are pushing hard for Scherzer and Turner from the Nats. Very active trade deadline this year. More to come for sure.

 

Wow, the Dodgers are going all in this year like no one has seen since the heyday of George Steinbrenner.

[iortiz]

Looks like the Dodgers are pushing hard for Scherzer and Turner from the Nats. Very active trade deadline this year. More to come for sure.

 

Seems like the money is the least of their concerns, and Bloom's mentor is who is making the calls there.

[moonslav59]

Jon Gray would not be a minor upgrade or sideways move...

 

Out of 180 SP'ers ERA- Leaders

June 5th>

ERA-

9. Jon Gray 55

26. Eovaldi 68

88. ERod 105

104. Pivetta 120

112. Perez 131

130. Richards 159

 

2021 Season

Eovaldi 77

Jon Gray 78

Perez 92

Pivetta 100

Richards 114

ERod 116

 

2020-2021

78 Eovaldi

93 Jon Gray

94 Perez

95 Pivetta

114 Richards

116 ERod

 

2019-2021

85 Jon Gray

90 Eovaldi

91 ERod

94 Perez

95 Pivetta

114 Richards

[moonslav59]

Wow, the Dodgers are going all in this year like no one has seen since the heyday of George Steinbrenner.

 

It's all about timing.

 

That's why this is not the year to go all in and try to top teams like LAD and SDP.

 

Had we gotten Rizzo and Berrios, we'd still fall way short of LAD,

[Fan_since_Boggs]

If the Dodgers acquire Turner, what happens to Seager? I know Seager was injured but I thought he was on the way back? Also, Seager is a free agent after the season, could the Dodgers be cutting ties with him?

[iortiz]

I think you should look at the whole picture moon. ERA-/+ is a great stat but it only adjusts league/park flaws which is not a minor thing, but it doesn't isolate Pitcher's abilities and luck like FIP does, it doesn't normalize HRs like xFIP does, and it doesn't consider BABIP like SIERA does.

 

Said that, if you put all the later in a mixer, I don't think is a good idea land Gray.

[a700hitter]

If Bloom wants to do something meaningful, he will need to part with prospects or eat salary, or a combination of the two. Certainly, the Red Sox have some overrated prospects who will never amount to much in the Bigs.

[moonslav59]

Our pen is fine. Plus, if we add a SP'er, we'll move Richards to the pen.

[moonslav59]

I think you should look at the whole picture moon. ERA-/+ is a great stat but it only adjusts league/park flaws which is not a minor thing, but it doesn't isolate Pitcher's abilities and luck like FIP does, it doesn't normalize HRs like xFIP does, and it doesn't consider BABIP like SIERA does.

 

Said that, if you put all the later in a mixer, I don't think is a good idea land Gray.

 

So, Gray's been lucky three straight years. Got it.

 

Look, I'm not saying he's great. He's better than what we have. That was my point.

 

He's no Scherzer or Berrios. I never said he was.