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[mvp 78]

@Ken_Rosenthal

BREAKING: Padres close to acquiring Max Scherzer, sources tell

@TheAthletic

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[mvp 78]

I'm always last to know.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Per Rotoworld, the Padres are close on Scherzer…

 

Houck performance last night and age may be reasons along with prospect Haul .I still say we need Rizzo not only for the bat and D but his fit personality wise .I would love to see Devers and Rizzo just the joy they share for the game .

Edited July 29, 2021 by Swiharts Ghost

[moonslav59]

I'll cherry-pick the worst time frame for Richards and Perez (June 5 to today).

 

Here are the rankings and names of the worst starters by ERA- since June 5th (20 + IP)... (Note how many are on contenders and have been even worse than our 2- some worse for much longer than June 5th.)

 

Ranking out of 143 SP'ers with 20+ IP)

102 Matz (TOR) 119

103 Cueto (SFG) 120

104 Pivetta (BOS) 120

108 Darvis (SDP) 125

109 Peterson (NYM) 125

111 A Nola (PHI) 127

112 Perez (BOS) 131

113 Walker (NYM) 132

118 German (NYY) 136

122 Gonzalez (SEA) 142

123 M Moore (PHI) 143

126 Paddack (SDP) 153

130 Richards (BOS) 159

133 Snell (SDP) 165

136 Velazquez (PHI) 171

137 C Martinez (STL) 177

 

We are not the only contenders with struggling starters or the worst struggling starters, since June.

 

 

[Swiharts Ghost]

I'm always last to know.

 

Padres are a good team but don’t think this Move really elevates them above the Dodgers or SF

[Swiharts Ghost]

Now that MAx is gone can Chaim please land Rizzo

[jacksonianmarch]

Scherzer to the Padres apparently

[Fan_since_Boggs]

With Scherzer going to the Padres, that leaves only one SP upgrade on the market: Berrios. Kyle Gibson would be an upgrade too if you think his numbers are sustainable (debatable point).

 

Jon Gray= not an upgrade but a sideways move IMO.

[moonslav59]

One sign of how badly many starting pitchers are doing this year, even on good teams, is that I have to lower the IP number to 50 to get a sample size of 145 SP'er. (5 per team)

 

Here's how our struggling SP'ers rank in ERA- over the whole season compared to some contending team starters:

 

ERA- Bottom Rankings (#1 is the worst in MLB.)

 

2. C Martinez 158

3. D Bundy 157

5. J Sheffield 155

9. D Peterson 143

13. B Snell 137 (Do the Rays know their s*** or not?)

17. Velazquez 133

18. M Gonzalez 131

20. C Paddack 130

22. G Canning 128

24. A Heaney 122

31. R Stripling 119

38. ERod 116 (doing better recently)

40. Richards 114

42. Yarbrough 112

43. Odorizzi 111

48. A Nola 107

51. F Montas 104

54. D Smyly 103

55. Cueto 103

56. Matz 103

57. Eflin 102

59. Keuchel 102

60. Taillon 100

63. Pivetta 100

65. German 98

67. D Cease 97

70. Rich Hill 95

71. J Grant 95

73. McClanahan 94

74. A Houser 94

75. B Anderson 92

76. M Perez 92

77. Alex Wood 92

(plenty at 90-91)

 

 

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Do this:

1. Hosmer & top 5 Padres prospect to the Red Sox as the Red Sox flex their big market muscle by bailing out the Padres.

2. Top 5 Padres prospect and G.Jimenez to the Twins for Berrios (the Twins are a little thin on outfield prospects and will likely lose Buxton after the 2022 season).

Edited July 29, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Maxbialystock]

While I completely agree acquiring a good starter would be best, a reminder--

 

The Sox can lose/demote/bullpen two starters and still have Sale, Eovaldi, Pivetta, Houck, and one of ERod/Perez/Richards.

 

The Sox have played .600 ball so far this season while relying heavily on Eovaldi, Pivetta, ERod, Perez, and Richards. Why? Because of good hitting, a good bullpen, and a good manager.

[notin]

Scherzer to the Padres apparently

 

 

Players agreed upon. Medicals pending. Scherzer must stamp his approval. The weasel has left the henhouse..

[jacksonianmarch]

Not surprised the Sox didn’t get Scherzer. I don’t think Bloom is all in on 2021. The system needs time to mature and I don’t think the Sox anticipate being able to hang with CWS or HOU. Sox are under the cap this year too. My bet is the Sox see what they have on Sale and Houck for next year then make focused veteran additions to make a title run next year

[Swiharts Ghost]

One sign of how badly many starting pitchers are doing this year, even on good teams, is that I have to lower the IP number to 50 to get a sample size of 145 SP'er. (5 per team)

 

Here's how our struggling SP'ers rank in ERA- over the whole season compared to some contending team starters:

 

ERA- Bottom Rankings (#1 is the worst in MLB.)

 

2. C Martinez 158

3. D Bundy 157

5. J Sheffield 155

9. D Peterson 143

13. B Snell 137 (Do the Rays know their s*** or not?)

17. Velazquez 133

18. M Gonzalez 131

20. C Paddack 130

22. G Canning 128

24. A Heaney 122

31. R Stripling 119

38. ERod 116 (doing better recently)

40. Richards 114

42. Yarbrough 112

43. Odorizzi 111

48. A Nola 107

51. F Montas 104

54. D Smyly 103

55. Cueto 103

56. Matz 103

57. Eflin 102

59. Keuchel 102

60. Taillon 100

63. Pivetta 100

65. German 98

67. D Cease 97

70. Rich Hill 95

71. J Grant 95

73. McClanahan 94

74. A Houser 94

75. B Anderson 92

76. M Perez 92

77. Alex Wood 92

(plenty at 90-91)

 

 

 

Great info and eye popping .With this info I’m very thankful to see Houcks stuff play so well .Sale coming back is tempered a bit for me .Houck Sale Pivetta Erod Perez rotation seems solid to me but would I jump at the chance at Berrios ? I would if we can keep Downs Casas here .

[jacksonianmarch]

Not sure Downs has the value he once had. He’s been abysmal in aaa this year

[notin]

Not surprised the Sox didn’t get Scherzer. I don’t think Bloom is all in on 2021. The system needs time to mature and I don’t think the Sox anticipate being able to hang with CWS or HOU. Sox are under the cap this year too. My bet is the Sox see what they have on Sale and Houck for next year then make focused veteran additions to make a title run next year

 

You say stuff like that every year.

 

While HOU and CWS are both very good, the Sox are still tied with Houston for best record in the AL. Why is Bloom supposed to disregard that?

 

They didn’t get Scherzer for one very likely reason - San Diego still has a much better farm with more prospects…

[moonslav59]

With Scherzer going to the Padres, that leaves only one SP upgrade on the market: Berrios. Kyle Gibson would be an upgrade too if you think his numbers are sustainable (debatable point).

 

Jon Gray= not an upgrade but a sideways move IMO.

 

You keep saying that. I don't know why.

 

Out of 180 SP'ers

June 5th>

ERA-

9. Jon Gray 55

26. Eovaldi 68

88. ERod 105

104. Pivetta 120

112. Perez 131

130. Richards 159

 

2021 Season

Eovaldi 77

Jon Gray 78

Perez 92

Pivetta 100

Richards 114

ERod 116

 

2020-2021

78 Eovaldi

93 Jon Gray

94 Perez

95 Pivetta

114 Richards

116 ERod

 

2019-2021

85 Jon Gray

90 Eovaldi

91 ERod

94 Perez

95 Pivetta

114 Richards

 

I can list other stats, too.

 

2019-2021

[jacksonianmarch]

I’m hoping Gray signs with the Yankees next year. Scooping power pitchers out of Colorado could be useful

[moonslav59]

Great info and eye popping .With this info I’m very thankful to see Houcks stuff play so well .Sale coming back is tempered a bit for me .Houck Sale Pivetta Erod Perez rotation seems solid to me but would I jump at the chance at Berrios ? I would if we can keep Downs Casas here .

 

It also shows how the Sox and other contenders need SP'ing.

 

I still think some contender would take Richards off our hands (we pay most of his contract) and would trade for Perez, if we pay part of his deal.

 

Add Sale and maybe Houck.

 

Trade for an upgrade over Perez. It does not have to be someone like Scherzer or even Gibson or Berrios.

 

Maybe add a pen arm, but unless we trade Richards and Perez, adding 2 pitchers by trade, means demoting or DFA'ing someone decent. It would have to be an upgrade over P Valdez, Sawamura or DHern.

 

Eovaldi

Sale

Trade

ERod

Pivetta

Houck

 

Barnes

Ottavino

Whitlock

Taylor

DHern

Sawamura

P Valdez

 

(Gone or demoted: Rios, Andriese & Workman)

[Swiharts Ghost]

Not sure Downs has the value he once had. He’s been abysmal in aaa this year

 

Jax just stop it’s pretty obvious what your doing and sadly That s*** stain over in NY is still managed by guess who ?

[moonslav59]

I’m hoping Gray signs with the Yankees next year. Scooping power pitchers out of Colorado could be useful

 

Jon Gray may not be great, but he's an upgrade over many pitchers in MLB.

 

I'd love to get him, this year.

[Swiharts Ghost]

It also shows how the Sox and other contenders need SP'ing.

 

I still think some contender would take Richards off our hands (we pay most of his contract) and would trade for Perez, if we pay part of his deal.

 

Add Sale and maybe Houck.

 

Trade for an upgrade over Perez. It does not have to be someone like Scherzer or even Gibson or Berrios.

 

Maybe add a pen arm, but unless we trade Richards and Perez, adding 2 pitchers by trade, means demoting or DFA'ing someone decent. It would have to be an upgrade over P Valdez, Sawamura or DHern.

 

Eovaldi

Sale

Trade

ERod

Pivetta

Houck

 

Barnes

Ottavino

Whitlock

Taylor

DHern

Sawamura

P Valdez

 

(Gone or demoted: Rios, Andriese & Workman)

 

I agree man.

[jacksonianmarch]

Jax just stop it’s pretty obvious what your doing and sadly That s*** stain over in NY is still managed by guess who ?

 

So hitting under .200 has increased his value?

[Swiharts Ghost]

So hitting under .200 has increased his value?

 

Jax go play on the Green line .

[moonslav59]

I went to fangraphs to look for the best SP'ers that might be on non contending teams. I set the parameter at 110 IP from 2020-2021. The best ERA- pitchers. A bit surprisingly, hardly any of the best are on teams out of it.

 

31. Trevor Rogers MIA

36. John Means BAL

39. Jose Berrios MN

40. Strasburg WSN

42. Hendricks CHC

44. Castillo CIN

46. J Ross WSN

47. G Marquez COL

50. Jon Gray COL

51. Pineda MN

53. Duffy KCR

56. Alcantara MIA

61. Turnbull DET

66. K Maeda MN

67. Alec Mills CHC

82. K Gibson TX (95)

 

[notin]

Food for thought

 

Rizzo - OPS+ 116

Schoop - OPS+ 120

[Larry Cook]

Food for thought

 

Rizzo - OPS+ 116

Schoop - OPS+ 120

 

Schoop is a terrible defender though,

[moonslav59]

Food for thought

 

Rizzo - OPS+ 116

Schoop - OPS+ 120

 

Plus, Schoop can play 2B

 

OPS+ since 2020:

119 Schoop

111 Rizzo

91 Dalbec

 

2019-2021

126 Rizzo

112 Schoop

[mvp 78]

Players agreed upon. Medicals pending. Scherzer must stamp his approval. The weasel has left the henhouse..

 

Marmot

[notin]

Schoop is a terrible defender though,

 

Fangraphs has his UZR/150 at -5.8, which is worse than Rizzo’s -1.6.

 

 

BTV suggests Schoop (1.6) would be much easier to acquire than Rizzo (8.6), for what that’s worth…