trade deadline

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I'm ambivalent about reports that Boston ownership is pushing for Scherzer. I'm not saying Bloom doesn't want Max, but hope this "leak" doesn't pressure him to give up top prospects. Let Chaim do his thing, and get his cost-efficient first baseman -- Rizzo, Schoop, Cron -- and bullpen arm -- Rodriguez, Hudson, Hand, etc.

 

The big money commitments to acquire Scherzer (an extension large enough to lure him away from his preferred west coast) or Kimbrel (signed through '22 for twice as much as Barnes) go against Bloom's longterm plan... and don't guarantee a postseason where the Sox will outhit Houston, Chicago or even Toronto -- if the young Jays make a run into the playoffs.

[oldtimer]

Is it me, or does it seem like there are more trades being made before the actual day of the deadline in a long time?

 

Why not if the deal is right for both teams? I'm still looking for a first baseman and a relief pitcher, now it looks more like Houck can make the grade as a starter.

[Bellhorn04]

The big money commitments to acquire Scherzer (an extension large enough to lure him away from his preferred west coast) or Kimbrel (signed through '22 for twice as much as Barnes) go against Bloom's longterm plan... and don't guarantee a postseason where the Sox will outhit Houston, Chicago or even Toronto -- if the young Jays make a run into the playoffs.

 

It's a little easier to outhit the other team when they're facing Scherzer.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's a little easier to outhit the other team when they're facing Scherzer.

 

Ideally... but now he's 37 and left his last start early with a triceps issue. Scherzer's average salary was $35 million each of the past three years; how much will he and Special Agent Boras demand for an extension to agree to wear Red Sox regalia?

[Noles_1335]

When Sale comes back healthy.....won't an arm or two be pushed to the pen? I mean the rotation will be Sale, Nate, Erod, Houck?... with a possibility in acquiring another arm ( Max). Would we really need another addition to the pen? Perez, Richards, Taylor, DWin, Sawamura, Whitlok, Ottavino, Valdez, Rios, Workman, Barnes. If we land a starter, that may even push Erod to the pen. The addition of a good bat at 1st seems like the more desirable route to take!

[Bellhorn04]

Ideally... but now he's 37 and left his last start early with a triceps issue. Scherzer's average salary was $35 million each of the past three years; how much will he and Special Agent Boras demand for an extension to agree to wear Red Sox regalia?

 

I don't know about the triceps issue, but assume they wouldn't trade for him if his health is in doubt at all.

 

His contract was $210 million for 7 years with half of it deferred.

 

Going to be an interesting two days.

[mvp 78]

Why not if the deal is right for both teams? I'm still looking for a first baseman and a relief pitcher, now it looks more like Houck can make the grade as a starter.

 

Houck:

 

2021 first time through the order - 0.87 ERA, 396 OPSa

2021 second time through the order - 4.05 ERA, 827 OPSa

 

Career first time through the order - 0.50 ERA, 376 OPSa

Career second time through the order - 2.77 ERA, 735 OPSa

 

I think he's best used in a multiple inning relief role. Otherwise, he'll need to develop a third pitch.

[Nick]

New York Post

 

The Yankees will be receiving more than Joey Gallo and Joely Rodriguez from the Rangers – Texas also is paying both players’ salaries the rest of the season, The Post has learned.

 

That is not insignificant, as the Yankees’ aim clearly is to remain under the $210 million luxury tax threshold and they were projected at about $206 million before this deal. For purposes of the tax, Gallo would count about $2.3 million and Rodriguez $1.03 million.

 

Interesting that apparently Yanks will NOT go over $210M.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

I think he's best used in a multiple inning relief role. Otherwise, he'll need to develop a third pitch.

 

Are you sure he doesn't have a third pitch? I'm hearing he throws a 4 seamer, a sinker (2-seamer), and a slider. He also has a splitter but he throws it less than 5% of the time.

 

But I'm not sure if Houck has learned how to harness his stuff in such a way as to be a dependable 6-7 inning starter. Something like that could come with more experience but he probably isn't there now.

 

Let's say the Red Sox don't trade for a SP. With Houck and Sale, the Red Sox may need to go to the bullpen somewhat early (Whitlock's role?). If you use Whitlock exclusively for Houck and Sale's games, there is a need for another reliever who can then replace Whitlock. Kimbrel would be a great fit. Kimbrel replaces Whitlock in the bullpen (essentially) and Whitlock is used exclusively to piggyback games started by Houck and Sale.

Edited July 29, 2021 by Fan_since_Boggs

[moonslav59]

When Sale comes back healthy.....won't an arm or two be pushed to the pen? I mean the rotation will be Sale, Nate, Erod, Houck?...

 

This why I think we should trade Richards plus almost the entire remaining salary for nothing.

 

Maybe throw in Potts, Chavis or Potts and get a far-away prospect that does not need rule 5 protection, this winter.

[mvp 78]

This why I think we should trade Richards plus almost the entire remaining salary for nothing.

 

Maybe throw in Potts, Chavis or Potts and get a far-away prospect that does not need rule 5 protection, this winter.

 

Just DFA.

[notin]

This why I think we should trade Richards plus almost the entire remaining salary for nothing.

 

Maybe throw in Potts, Chavis or Potts and get a far-away prospect that does not need rule 5 protection, this winter.

 

If the idea is to trade Richards and his entire salary for nothing, just release him.

 

Richards is one of those guys I thought years ago would and should (due to chronic injury issues) make a lights out closer. But then that was back before I knew anything about spin rates and how to doctor them..

[sk7326]

Are you sure he doesn't have a third pitch? I'm hearing he throws a 4 seamer, a sinker (2-seamer), and a slider. He also has a splitter but he throws it less than 5% of the time.

 

But I'm not sure if Houck has learned how to harness his stuff in such a way as to be a dependable 6-7 inning starter. Something like that could come with more experience but he probably isn't there now.

 

Let's say the Red Sox don't trade for a SP. With Houck and Sale, the Red Sox may need to go to the bullpen somewhat early (Whitlock's role?). If you use Whitlock exclusively for Houck and Sale's games, there is a need for another reliever who can then replace Whitlock. Kimbrel would be a great fit. Kimbrel replaces Whitlock in the bullpen (essentially) and Whitlock is used exclusively to piggyback games started by Houck and Sale.

 

With Houck the big issue is whether he can keep lefties off of him in general. Now his splits have been encouraging but the samples have not been huge. But with multiple looks and a delivery that gives lefties a pretty good look at him, there is risk. He has the arm slot and delivery to be very uncomfortable for right handers. Once he - whether it be splitter or whatever - has some real confidence and results against lefties something can happen.

[moonslav59]

Just DFA.

 

If nobody wants him for a bit more than min salary, then, yes. I'd be okay with that, but I doubt it happens. He still might be better than Andriese and Workman, and seems to do pretty well for the first inning or two, so maybe a relief role might be worth a try, first.

[dgalehouse]

It seems to me that first base is the area of biggest need . Rizzo would be a great addition to both the offense and defense.

[notin]

If nobody wants him for a bit more than min salary, then, yes. I'd be okay with that, but I doubt it happens. He still might be better than Andriese and Workman, and seems to do pretty well for the first inning or two, so maybe a relief role might be worth a try, first.

 

The Sox would actually save money if they just released him vs trading him and his whole salary. If they waive him and he gets claimed, they pay him nothing. If he clears waviers,which is certainly likely, the Sox are on the hook for his 2022 salary minus a pro-rated portion of the league minimum.

 

So unless they trade him and his salary for something, a simple DFA and release makes a lot more sense...

[mvp 78]

If nobody wants him for a bit more than min salary, then, yes. I'd be okay with that, but I doubt it happens. He still might be better than Andriese and Workman, and seems to do pretty well for the first inning or two, so maybe a relief role might be worth a try, first.

 

Is he typically better in the first inning?

[notin]

It seems to me that first base is the area of biggest need . Rizzo would be a great addition to both the offense and defense.

 

And Rizzo had entered the discussion at some point.

 

The only flaw with Rizzo is the Cubs probably want to retain at least one of their trio of departing stars. It certainly won't be Bryant, as he has been advocating for free agency since before he made his MLB debut, which sounds ridiculous but is not an exaggeration. It actually happened that soon.

 

I have no idea if either Baez or Rizzo will be easier to sign. Baez is up against a tough but slowly dwindling free agent market for shortstops. But Rizzo is apparently some sort of Jed Hoyer favorite that he has brought in to three different MLB organizations...

[d-money]

So the rangers will be paying gallo’s contract the rest of the way lol.

[moonslav59]

It seems to me that first base is the area of biggest need . Rizzo would be a great addition to both the offense and defense.

 

I realize Rizzo is available, plays great D and has a name all of us know and have rather high feelings for, but he is not that same Rizzo as a few years back.

 

He would still be an upgrade over Dalbec- almost certainly, but at what cost for a rental?

 

He'll be an upgrade on OBP, too, but here is his line from 2020-2021.

 

619 PAs

.238 BA

.344 OBP

.433 SLG

.778 OPS

25 HRs & 64 RBI

97 Ks

 

Dalbec

376 PAs

.225 BA

.282 OBP

.438 SLG (higher than Rizzo's)

.720 OPS

18 HRs & 52 RBI

147 K's

(Projected to 620 PAs: 32 HRs, 90 RBI, 165 K's)

 

Since we don't know if Dalbec is ever going to "wake up," we can probably assume Rizzo will be an upgrade, but what are the chances Rizzo does better than his recent numbers or continues his decline?

 

I'd rather get Carlos Santana for 1.3 years and a better OBP:

Last 2 seasons

679 PAs

.221 BA

.348 OBP

.384 SLG

.732 OPS

25 HRS & 85 RBI

108 K's

(He ad a .911 OPS in 2018.)

 

 

[moonslav59]

So the rangers will be paying gallo’s contract the rest of the way lol.

 

I heard they pay Gallo for 2021 not 2022.

[notin]

So the rangers will be paying gallo’s contract the rest of the way lol.

 

Well, they had to get something out of this deal. They clearly did not want good prospects. Apparently all they wanted was to foot the bill...

[moonslav59]

The Sox would actually save money if they just released him vs trading him and his whole salary. If they waive him and he gets claimed, they pay him nothing. If he clears waviers,which is certainly likely, the Sox are on the hook for his 2022 salary minus a pro-rated portion of the league minimum.

 

So unless they trade him and his salary for something, a simple DFA and release makes a lot more sense...

 

We could probably trade him for nothing, if we pay almost his full salary (Salary- min wage - $100K or more).

 

Or, we add someone like Potts and get a prospect not needing rule 5 protection.

[notin]

I heard they pay Gallo for 2021 not 2022.

 

From mlbtr:

 

"July 29, 7:20am: The Rangers are paying all of Gallo’s remaining contract, tweets Jim Bowden of The Athletic."

 

Ambiguity?

[notin]

From mlbtr:

 

"July 29, 7:20am: The Rangers are paying all of Gallo’s remaining contract, tweets Jim Bowden of The Athletic."

 

Ambiguity?

 

Joel Sherman has a different and more specific take, which is probably correct.

 

"The Yankees will be receiving more than Joey Gallo and Joely Rodriguez from the Rangers – Texas also is paying both players’ salaries the rest of the season, The Post has learned."

 

https://nypost.com/2021/07/29/the-yankees-joey-gallo-trade-just-got-a-little-bit-better/

 

 

To be fair, it's not like Sherman states Texas is paying 2022 or NY is. He sort of implies it through omission, which is not the same.

[moonslav59]

Joel Sherman has a different and more specific take, which is probably correct.

 

"The Yankees will be receiving more than Joey Gallo and Joely Rodriguez from the Rangers – Texas also is paying both players’ salaries the rest of the season, The Post has learned."

 

https://nypost.com/2021/07/29/the-yankees-joey-gallo-trade-just-got-a-little-bit-better/

 

 

To be fair, it's not like Sherman states Texas is paying 2022 or NY is. He sort of implies it through omission, which is not the same.

 

The "rest of the season" is pretty specific, and would not be mentioned, if they paid "the rest of the way."

[notin]

The "rest of the season" is pretty specific, and would not be mentioned, if they paid "the rest of the way."

 

It does imply it.

 

Sherman says "the ret of the season."

 

Bowden says "all ofthe remaining contract."

 

Who is right?

 

Sherman's take does make more sense. Unless Texas is a phenomenally stupid franchise...

[Bellhorn04]

Gallo isn't under contract for 2022, it's his final arb year.

[notin]

Gallo isn't under contract for 2022, it's his final arb year.

 

So in this case, the contract and control do not align. Conflict resolved. They are both right and I'm the dumbass...

[Fan_since_Boggs]

And Gallo wants a fortune in free agency, and this is why the Rangers traded him--they approached him regarding a long term deal but the two sides were far apart.

 

What are the Yankees going to do after 2022? Sanchez will be a free agent. Gallo will be a free agent. Judge will be a free agent. Green will be a free agent. Chapman will be a free agent. Gallo and Judge will both want contracts in the 200-300 million dollar range, no? Stanton isn't going anywhere--the Yankees can't trade him--and Cole isn't going anywhere either.