trade deadline

[notin]

I think the media pundits don't know much. If you throw enough pooh against the wall, some will and there guys will claim they were clairvoyant. Not so.

 

I still hope the Sox get Trey Mancini although I realize it is highly unlikely, since he is in the AL East now. With Arroyo coming back and Verdugo hitting again, we only have a real need at 1st base.

 

I also think Richards could be traded to make way for Houck and Sale in the starting rotation and to help fund picking up a quality relief arm and a first baseman.

 

I do think people overplay the “division rival” card. It actually makes more sense for teams like Baltimore to build their farm system by deleting the system of the Sox simultaneously.

 

But Mancini is some sort of cult hero among Orioles’ fans. Not sure why. He’s good but he’s not great. He did have that whole cancer episode, which might be why.

 

But for whatever reason, he’s not coming to Boston. Which is unfortunate…

[oldtimer]

Assuming we pickup a FT first baseman in trade and we have Arroyo back to fill in on a regular basis to rest players and to allow favorable lefty/righty matchups, who should the 2 remaining utility players on the active roster be? I assume we will keep Duran in the lineup in some capacity since his speed is valuable and his hitting may come along. We currently have Cordero, Chavis, Gonzalez, Santana as obious possibilities.

[moonslav59]

I could see us getting Santana. Someone like Cron might be a fall back.

[notin]

Assuming we pickup a FT first baseman in trade and we have Arroyo back to fill in on a regular basis to rest players and to allow favorable lefty/righty matchups, who should the 2 remaining utility players on the active roster be? I assume we will keep Duran in the lineup in some capacity since his speed is valuable and his hitting may come along. We currently have Cordero, Chavis, Gonzalez, Santana as obious possibilities.

 

Actually it’s very possible Duran returns to Worcester for a big chunk of August…

[moonslav59]

Assuming we pickup a FT first baseman in trade and we have Arroyo back to fill in on a regular basis to rest players and to allow favorable lefty/righty matchups, who should the 2 remaining utility players on the active roster be? I assume we will keep Duran in the lineup in some capacity since his speed is valuable and his hitting may come along. We currently have Cordero, Chavis, Gonzalez, Santana as obious possibilities.

 

Marwin is Cora's guy. That's who it will be, assuming he's healthy.

 

Depending on 12 or 13 pitchers, our bench will be:

 

Plawecki

Arroyo or Duran (the other starts)

Marwin

 

If we go 4 bench players, I think it will likely be Santana, but I'd prefer Cordero then Chavis.

[moonslav59]

Actually it’s very possible Duran returns to Worcester for a big chunk of August…

 

I'm not sure Marwin and Arroyo will be back in August. I think both need to return to possibly squeeze Duran out.

[Bellhorn04]

Cordero is Bloom's guy, and he's looking better. I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's a Cordero/Dalbec platoon at first and no trade.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Assuming we pickup a FT first baseman in trade and we have Arroyo back to fill in on a regular basis to rest players and to allow favorable lefty/righty matchups, who should the 2 remaining utility players on the active roster be? I assume we will keep Duran in the lineup in some capacity since his speed is valuable and his hitting may come along. We currently have Cordero, Chavis, Gonzalez, Santana as obious possibilities.

 

If they're all healthy, it will be Marwin for his reliable defensive versatility and veteran experience. The other three are lesser defenders (though Chavis has improved this go-round).

[moonslav59]

Let's say we have Arroyo healthy and do not trade for a 1Bman. We might see this rotation.

 

(Bogey needs some time off to heal his wrist.)

 

Vaz & Plawecki catch

JD, Renfroe, Devers and Dugo play FT (maybe get a rest every 15-20 games.)

 

That leaves this:

1B: Dalbec 4-5 of 10 games, Kike 5-6 of 10

2B: Arroyo 8 of 10, Kike 2 of 10

CF: Duran 8 of 10, Kike 2 of 10

SS: Bogey 8 of 10 for a while, then back to FT/ Arroyo or Kike at SS 2 of 10 games.

 

Basically everyone but Dalbec plays 8-9 games out of 10.

 

[moonslav59]

If they're all healthy, it will be Marwin for his reliable defensive versatility and veteran experience. The other three are lesser defenders (though Chavis has improved this go-round).

 

Chavis actually looked good on defense in 2020, too, but Marwin will beat him out, when healthy.

[sk7326]

Cordero is Bloom's guy, and he's looking better. I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's a Cordero/Dalbec platoon at first and no trade.

 

Entirely possible. I'd just counter that the Sox have been running out the worst 1B position in the bigs this season - so upgrading that position to even average would have an outsized impact. There might just be too many holes in his swing for Dalbec to be a reliable regular.

[moonslav59]

Entirely possible. I'd just counter that the Sox have been running out the worst 1B position in the bigs this season - so upgrading that position to even average would have an outsized impact. There might just be too many holes in his swing for Dalbec to be a reliable regular.

 

Picking and choosing when Dalbec plays could help a lot. Cordero or even Kike can play 1B, when Bobby Dee sits.

 

I do think we trade for a cheap 1Bman, and Chavis gets traded or demoted.

[mvp 78]

Actually it’s very possible Duran returns to Worcester for a big chunk of August…

 

Possible, but I'd say unlikely.

[notin]

I'm not sure Marwin and Arroyo will be back in August. I think both need to return to possibly squeeze Duran out.

 

Possibly, although a new 1B could also contribute. Especially if they get a LHH platoon partner for Dalbec.

 

It also doesn't help Duran that Cordero has been hitting better these last few games...

[notin]

Possible, but I'd say unlikely.

 

I wouldn't call it unlikely. Heck, even Mike Trout went back down for a while after his first call up. If it's only for 2 to 3 weeks, it would help avoid a crunch on the roster...

[a700hitter]

It’s a head shaker that Cora had him in the 2 hole.

[sk7326]

Picking and choosing when Dalbec plays could help a lot. Cordero or even Kike can play 1B, when Bobby Dee sits.

 

I do think we trade for a cheap 1Bman, and Chavis gets traded or demoted.

 

maybe - but he has always been a dude who had trouble hitting the baseball ... no reason to believe that massive strikeout rate is going anywhere. I think he is an interesting player, but he's way up in his head right now.

[notin]

Picking and choosing when Dalbec plays could help a lot. Cordero or even Kike can play 1B, when Bobby Dee sits.

 

I do think we trade for a cheap 1Bman, and Chavis gets traded or demoted.

 

I would imagine Jonathan Schoop is also on the radar. Especially if Arroyo is expected to be out for a prolonged stretch. Schoop has plenty of experienced at 2b as well as 1b and that versatility does seem to fit in with a lot of Bloom’s acquisitions this season…

[Kimmi]

No kidding. The trade deadline is a time for contenders to increase pitching depth, not deplete it...

 

Yes, we absolutely need to keep the depth. Some feel that upgrading 1B is a higher priority than acquiring pitching (after Sale and Houck), but I would not give up pitching to upgrade 1B.

[Kimmi]

The plan is to replace Richards or Perez with Sale and use the money saved to trade for an even better pitcher and maybe 1Bman, too.

 

Buyers and sellers.

 

So, the plan is to be able to upgrade starting pitching and possibly 1B with Richards' or Perez' remaining salary, plus get a PTBNL in addition to that? Count me in if we can do that. But if there's a better starter available for that cost, why wouldn't the team who takes Richards or Perez just take the better pitcher to begin with?

[Kimmi]

So you think the Sox can drop Perez and his $6mill salary and add a 1B and another SP and still stay under? If they do that, they are probably adding a pitcher worse than Perez...

 

You said that much better than I did.

[Kimmi]

Houck just doesn't pitch as well the second time through the order. I don't think he could ever go through it a third time.

 

Houck would be a good piggy back option with Richards or Perez.

[Kimmi]

Carlos Santana

 

I like the idea of Santana, depending on cost, of course.

[Kimmi]

I think RedSox stats is just one person.

 

I'm pretty sure he is just one person, and IMO, the best tweeter out there. Almost always spot on.

[notin]

Another versatile name to consider is Asdrubal Cabrera. One year dirt cheap contract makes him an inexpensive rental who can still handle 1b, 2b and 3b. His .701 OPS vs RHP isn’t much but is still an upgrade over Dalbec…

[Kimmi]

Record vs AL East 27-13

 

10-3 Yankees

7-4 Jays

6-4 Orioles

4-2 Rays

 

Run Differential

+92 Rays

+86 Jays

+68 Sox

 

We must be winning close games.....

 

We've had a good season.

 

We have been lucky. We can't deny that. Still very good, but lucky as well.

[Kimmi]

Assuming we pickup a FT first baseman in trade and we have Arroyo back to fill in on a regular basis to rest players and to allow favorable lefty/righty matchups, who should the 2 remaining utility players on the active roster be? I assume we will keep Duran in the lineup in some capacity since his speed is valuable and his hitting may come along. We currently have Cordero, Chavis, Gonzalez, Santana as obious possibilities.

 

Maybe Cordero will pan out as a 1B platoon with Dalbec?

[Kimmi]

Cordero is Bloom's guy, and he's looking better. I wouldn't rule out the possibility it's a Cordero/Dalbec platoon at first and no trade.

 

Great minds...

[moonslav59]

So, the plan is to be able to upgrade starting pitching and possibly 1B with Richards' or Perez' remaining salary, plus get a PTBNL in addition to that? Count me in if we can do that. But if there's a better starter available for that cost, why wouldn't the team who takes Richards or Perez just take the better pitcher to begin with?

 

The PTBNL is not important.

 

It's my opinion Richards may be viewed as a better pitcher than a current starting pitcher on a contending team that does not want to shed prospects to upgrade.

 

We might even try a deal like Ottavino. We could give up a prospect we do not plan on protecting, this winter- something like Potts, Richards and cash for nothing.

 

The money saved allows us to upgrade our rotation and maybe 1B while keeping the budget in line.

 

I'm not saying it will be easy to find a taker for Richards or that Bloom is even thinking about the idea.

 

We have seen TB be buyers and sellers at the same time, so I do not think the idea is all that crazy.

Edited July 27, 2021 by moonslav59

[Kimmi]

It’s a head shaker that Cora had him in the 2 hole.

 

I am a huge Cora fan, but his lineups this season have been questionable.

 

That said, they are working. And small sample size notwithstanding, look at what Kike has done recently out of the leadoff spot.