Red Sox Expected To Promote Jarren Duran

[Swiharts Ghost]

Duran seems overmatched by the FB I know it’s early but with the train wreck we see with Bobby I’m concerned

[moonslav59]

So true. In 2012 he had another injury-plagued season and in 2013 a bonafide, this is the real Ellsbury season with a .781 OPS (his career OPS is .760). Just shows how desperate the Yankees were to replace Cano's bat.

 

I'm a fan of speed as anyone else, but to me Ellsbury was hurt too much, and when he played, he had one great year and the rest were meh, in terms of how he compared to other Sox batters:

 

2008:

.958 Youk

.927 Drew

.926 Manny

.897 JBay (211 PAs)

.877 Papi

.869 Pedey

.798 Lowell

.773 Casey (218 PAs)

,751 Crisp

.739 Lowrie

.729 Ellsbury

.685 Lugo

.672 VTek

 

2009

.961 Youk

.921 JBay

.914 Drew

.912 VMart (237PAs)

.819 Pedey

.811 Lowell

.794 Papi

.770 Ellsbury

.703 VTek

.669 N Green

 

2010

.975 Youk

.919 Beltre

.907 Lowrie (197 PAs)

.899 Papi

.860 Pedey

.844 VMart

.793 Drew

.772 BHall

.766 DMac

.721 Scutaro

.674 Lowell (244)

.485 Ellsbury in 84 PAs

 

2011 (The Big Year)

.957 AGon

.953 Papi

.928 Ellsbury

.861 Pedey

.833 Youk

 

2012

1.026 Papi

.835 Middy (286 PAs)

.812 AGon

.807 C Ross

.798 Shoppach

.797 Pedey

.785 Crawford (125)

.742 Salty

.742 Nava

.705 Ciriaco (272)

.692 Youk (165)

.682 Ellsbury

.663 Aviles

 

2013

.959 Papi

.885 Carp(243)

.842 Napolli

.831 Nava

.804 Salty

.801 Vic

.787 Pedey

.785 Iggy (234)

.781 Ellsbury

.777 Drew

.771 Gomes

.696 Middy

 

Signed with Yanks.

 

I never saw why all the hooplah.

 

[oldtimer]

I'm a fan of speed as anyone else, but to me Ellsbury was hurt too much, and when he played, he had one great year and the rest were meh, in terms of how he compared to other Sox batters:

 

2008:

.958 Youk

.927 Drew

.926 Manny

.897 JBay (211 PAs)

.877 Papi

.869 Pedey

.798 Lowell

.773 Casey (218 PAs)

,751 Crisp

.739 Lowrie

.729 Ellsbury

.685 Lugo

.672 VTek

 

2009

.961 Youk

.921 JBay

.914 Drew

.912 VMart (237PAs)

.819 Pedey

.811 Lowell

.794 Papi

.770 Ellsbury

.703 VTek

.669 N Green

 

2010

.975 Youk

.919 Beltre

.907 Lowrie (197 PAs)

.899 Papi

.860 Pedey

.844 VMart

.793 Drew

.772 BHall

.766 DMac

.721 Scutaro

.674 Lowell (244)

.485 Ellsbury in 84 PAs

 

2011 (The Big Year)

.957 AGon

.953 Papi

.928 Ellsbury

.861 Pedey

.833 Youk

 

2012

1.026 Papi

.835 Middy (286 PAs)

.812 AGon

.807 C Ross

.798 Shoppach

.797 Pedey

.785 Crawford (125)

.742 Salty

.742 Nava

.705 Ciriaco (272)

.692 Youk (165)

.682 Ellsbury

.663 Aviles

 

2013

.959 Papi

.885 Carp(243)

.842 Napolli

.831 Nava

.804 Salty

.801 Vic

.787 Pedey

.785 Iggy (234)

.781 Ellsbury

.777 Drew

.771 Gomes

.696 Middy

 

Signed with Yanks.

 

I never saw why all the hooplah.

 

 

Didn't he have more than 70 stolen bases one year?

[Bellhorn04]

I do not see hang’em Chaim being foolish with second contracts, unless they are organizational cornerstones, like bogey and devers!

 

I think he lets other teams over pay for less than the best or promotes guys from our minor league system that do he can get most of the production back.

 

Ps: Betts (an organizational cornerstone) was an exception because desperate Dave screwed us up on the luxury tax!

 

Yeah sure, blame Dave because the billionaire owners didn't want to pay a little more tax.

[moonslav59]

Didn't he have more than 70 stolen bases one year?

 

Just 70, once, but he did lead the league 3 times.

 

Of course, OPS does not capture SB value, but it also does not capture CS'ing and running into outs, sometimes blunderingly so.

 

Certainly, his value, especially when he became a plus defender was higher than these OPS charts show, but I still think it's shocking how so many Sox fans would have paid near what the Yanks paid for Jacoby to return.

 

I think some remember him being a better hitter than he really was- based on one huge season.

[oldtimer]

Just 70, once, but he did lead the league 3 times.

 

Of course, OPS does not capture SB value, but it also does not capture CS'ing and running into outs, sometimes blunderingly so.

 

Certainly, his value, especially when he became a plus defender was higher than these OPS charts show, but I still think it's shocking how so many Sox fans would have paid near what the Yanks paid for Jacoby to return.

 

I think some remember him being a better hitter than he really was- based on one huge season.

 

The Yankees grossly overpaid and got burned.

[mvp 78]

Yeah sure, blame Dave because the billionaire owners didn't want to pay a little more tax.

 

^^^

[mvp 78]

The Yankees grossly overpaid and got burned.

 

Delicious.

[moonslav59]

The Yankees grossly overpaid and got burned.

 

Agreed, but some Sox fans were pissed we lost him.

[mvp 78]

Agreed, but some Sox fans were pissed we lost him.

 

If you have to go to the Yankees, at least get overpaid and drag the team down with your performance. That's a true Red Sox.

[moonslav59]

To those who love small sample sizes...

 

K% Leaders

64% Wong (11 PAs)

43% Duran (7)

38% Chavis (63)

37% Dalbec (266)

36% Cordero (102)

30% Arauz (10)

25% Marwin (246)

24% Arroyo (70)

24% Santana (104)

24% Devers (380)

24% League Average

(Our lowest is 14% by Verdugo.)

 

 

 

[mvp 78]

To those who love small sample sizes...

 

K% Leaders

64% Wong (11 PAs)

43% Duran (7)

38% Chavis (63)

37% Dalbec (266)

36% Cordero (102)

30% Arauz (10)

25% Marwin (246)

24% Arroyo (70)

24% Santana (104)

24% Devers (380)

24% League Average

(Our lowest is 14% by Verdugo.)

 

 

 

 

If league average is 24%, it's hard to get upset over anything less than 30% or so.

[moonslav59]

If league average is 24%, it's hard to get upset over anything less than 30% or so.

 

True, and I'm not one to harp on excessive K's, unless they guy is sucking on OPS and or D.

 

Anybody notice Santana now has more PAs than Cordero had?

 

[mvp 78]

True, and I'm not one to harp on excessive K's, unless they guy is sucking on OPS and or D.

 

Anybody notice Santana now has more PAs than Cordero had?

 

 

Santana -.4 fWAR

Cordero -.3 fWAR

[moonslav59]

Santana -.4 fWAR

Cordero -.3 fWAR

 

I doubt Santana gets called back up after his rehab stint, but who knows?

 

Cordero might get another look, this time at 1B, soon.

[mvp 78]

I doubt Santana gets called back up after his rehab stint, but who knows?

 

Cordero might get another look, this time at 1B, soon.

 

If Arroyo can play an adequate 1B, Cordero stays down all year.

[Nick]

Just 70, once, but he did lead the league 3 times.

 

Of course, OPS does not capture SB value, but it also does not capture CS'ing and running into outs, sometimes blunderingly so.

 

Certainly, his value, especially when he became a plus defender was higher than these OPS charts show, but I still think it's shocking how so many Sox fans would have paid near what the Yanks paid for Jacoby to return.

 

I think some remember him being a better hitter than he really was- based on one huge season.

 

It's always a mistake to pay for the past performance. You have to put a value on what's expected in future. It's not okay to pay for 10 years knowing you are hoping for 5 productive years.

 

You are conditioned to think there will never be another Betts. Or Trout. Or....

 

Look at the current crop of young talent. There's few guys I take over Betts, especially at his contract price.

[moonslav59]

If Arroyo can play an adequate 1B, Cordero stays down all year.

 

I was thinking about Arroyo on the IL.

 

I also wondered why they did not use Kike at 1B, since he had about 90 innings there in the past.

[mvp 78]

I was thinking about Arroyo on the IL.

 

I also wondered why they did not use Kike at 1B, since he had about 90 innings there in the past.

 

They like Kiké at 2b better? Good to give Arroyo some work at 1B regardless?

[moonslav59]

They like Kiké at 2b better? Good to give Arroyo some work at 1B regardless?

 

Sure. It can't hurt, right? The worst thing that might happen would be an injury.

[Bellhorn04]

It's always a mistake to pay for the past performance. You have to put a value on what's expected in future. It's not okay to pay for 10 years knowing you are hoping for 5 productive years.

 

You are conditioned to think there will never be another Betts. Or Trout. Or....

 

Look at the current crop of young talent. There's few guys I take over Betts, especially at his contract price.

 

And great young players (like Tatis) get really expensive really fast. There's just no way around it.

[mvp 78]

Sure. It can't hurt, right? The worst thing that might happen would be an injury.

 

Is he more likely to get injured at 1B for some reason?

[moonslav59]

Is he more likely to get injured at 1B for some reason?

 

It was tongue-and-cheek.

 

No, I don't think he was more likely to get hurt at 1B than 2B, but maybe a tiny bit more than someone with experience there.

 

Negligible.

 

[mvp 78]

It was tongue-and-cheek.

 

No, I don't think he was more likely to get hurt at 1B than 2B, but maybe a tiny bit more than someone with experience there.

 

Negligible.

 

 

There was a former poster who ranted over and over about how Ryan Kalish got injured because he was in PAW and not in BOS. I don't want to go down that slippery slope again.

[Maxbialystock]

I was thinking about Arroyo on the IL.

 

I also wondered why they did not use Kike at 1B, since he had about 90 innings there in the past.

 

Not only that, by Arroyo has proven to be solid in the field at 2b.

 

In any case, with Arroyo almost certain to go to the IL, that looks like Duran stays in CF for now, Hernandez goes to 2b and Dalbec keeps 1b.

[moonslav59]

Not only that, by Arroyo has proven to be solid in the field at 2b.

 

In any case, with Arroyo almost certain to go to the IL, that looks like Duran stays in CF for now, Hernandez goes to 2b and Dalbec keeps 1b.

 

Maybe Cordero or Santana platoon with Bobby Dee at 1B.

[jad]

C'mon. Duran didn't do squat batting 2nd and left the bases empty for Bogaerts and Devers.

[jad]

And then REnfroe does the same thing. DFA both of them.

[Kimmi]

I do not see hang’em Chaim being foolish with second contracts, unless they are organizational cornerstones, like bogey and devers!

 

I think he lets other teams over pay for less than the best or promotes guys from our minor league system that do he can get most of the production back.

 

Ps: Betts (an organizational cornerstone) was an exception because desperate Dave screwed us up on the luxury tax!

 

I don't see Chaim being foolish with any contracts, even with organizational cornerstones. Will he extend players like Bogaerts and Devers? Yes, but IMO, it will have to be at least a somewhat team friendly deal. I don't think he'll pay full market price.

[Kimmi]

Yeah sure, blame Dave because the billionaire owners didn't want to pay a little more tax.

 

I am not a fan of the argument that owners should be willing to pay whatever because they can afford to do so.