2021 Spring Training Games

[mvp 78]

TODAY:

 

Red Sox at Twins:

Hernández SS,

Duran CF,

Renfroe RF,

Devers 3B,

Vázquez C,

Dalbec 1B,

Arroyo 2B,

Chavis DH,

Gettys LF,

Eovaldi RHP

[Thunder]

Oh gosh that sprung up fast

[moonslav59]

Let the games begin!

[harmony]

Jarren Duran with a third-inning infield single.

[a700hitter]

Almost immediately after Castig's sidekick extolled Eovaldi for his easy 98, he fell apart and couldn't last the planned 2 innings.

[a700hitter]

Am I missing something? Radio announcers are talking about how Cora said that the Red Sox might go with a 6 man rotation. How do you do that when you have 4 Starters?

[harmony]

Am I missing something? Radio announcers are talking about how Cora said that the Red Sox might go with a 6 man rotation. How do you do that when you have 4 Starters?

Roster Resource lists the Red Sox with a five-man rotation of Nathan Eovaldi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Garrett Richards, Martin Perez and Nick Pivetta:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/red-sox

 

... with Matt Andriese, Garrett Whitlock, Tanner Houck, Connor Seabold and Bryan Mata in the wings. The return of Chris Sale is the wild card.

 

Perhaps Rick Porcello is coming back.

[a700hitter]

Roster Resource lists the Red Sox with a five-man rotation of Nathan Eovaldi, Eduardo Rodriguez, Garrett Richards, Martin Perez and Nick Pivetta:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/red-sox

 

... with Matt Andriese, Garrett Whitlock, Tanner Houck, Connor Seabold and Bryan Mata in the wings. The return of Chris Sale is the wild card.

 

Perhaps Rick Porcello is coming back.

Pivetta? He's awful. He bombed out with Philly. He is not a rotation piece.

[moonslav59]

Nobody who has ever bombed out does well, afterwards.

 

In think I might have more faith in Pivetta than Perez.

 

He may also be more likely to have more IP than Richards or Eovaldi.

[a700hitter]

Call me skeptical, but I don't hold out a lot of hope for a 28 year with a 5.40 ERA after 406 MLB innings to contribute much as a regular starter. Edited February 28, 2021 by a700hitter

[a700hitter]

I have hope for Houck and see the rotation shaping up as ERod, Eovaldi, Perez, Richards and Houck. That is a shaky 5 man rotation, and the depth behind it is very weak.

[moonslav59]

Call me skeptical, but I don't hold out a lot of hope for a 28 year with a 5.40 ERA after 406 MLB innings to contribute much as a regular starter.

 

The hope for a 4.08 career minor league pitcher with 17 IP in the bigs makes so much more sense.

[mvp 78]

Am I missing something? Radio announcers are talking about how Cora said that the Red Sox might go with a 6 man rotation. How do you do that when you have 4 Starters?

 

An idea that was offhandedly floated at the beginning of the offseason. Idea is that starters would be out of whack from last year.

 

However, you rightly point out they probably don’t have the staff to do it.

[Larry Cook]

Good news today: dalbec and Chavis turned two mistakes into taters. I still like bastardo’s stuff. Can he control it?

 

Bad news today: our pitchers are still on the team,

[moonslav59]

An idea that was offhandedly floated at the beginning of the offseason. Idea is that starters would be out of whack from last year.

 

However, you rightly point out they probably don’t have the staff to do it.

 

We have a bunch of arms that can start. The question is, are 6 good enough and healthy enough to hold us to Sale's retuen?

 

ERod

Eovaldi

Richards

Pivetta

Perez

Houck

 

2nd Tier

Andriese

Whitlock

Seabold

Mata

 

Last resort:

Gossett

Hart

Ward

Politi

German

Winckowski

Reyes

 

Or, go with "an opener" day 6.

[a700hitter]

the hope for a 4.08 career minor league pitcher with 17 ip in the bigs makes so much more sense.

sss

[harmony]

Nobody who has ever bombed out does well, afterwards.

 

In think I might have more faith in Pivetta than Perez.

 

He may also be more likely to have more IP than Richards or Eovaldi.

ZiPS projects Martin Perez with a 2021 WAR of 1.3 in 135 innings and Nick Pivetta with a 2021 WAR of 1.2 in 113.1 innings:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=zips&team=3&lg=all&players=0

 

Off topic but related to thread: With the bases loaded and two outs in the bottom of the ninth inning 20-year-old Julio Rodriguez drove in 21-year-old Jarred Kelenic with the winning run Sunday in the Seattle Mariners' 5-4 win over the San Diego Padres:

 

MLB Gameday: Padres 4, Mariners 5 Final Score (02/28/2021) | MLB.com

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Follow MLB results with FREE box scores, pitch-by-pitch strikezone info, and Statcast data for Padres vs. Mariners at Peoria Stadium

 

Baseball America, MLB.com and Baseball Prospectus rank Rodriguez No. 3, No. 5 and No. 3, and Kelenic No. 4, No. 4 and No. 6, on their current Top 100 prospect lists.

 

It's only Spring Training but Seattle fans take their joys where they can find them.

Edited March 1, 2021 by harmony

[moonslav59]

sss

 

Exactly. You apparently missed the sarcasm.

[moonslav59]

ZiPS projects Martin Perez with a 2021 WAR of 1.3 in 135 innings and Nick Pivetta with a 2021 WAR of 1.2 in 113.1 innings:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=zips&team=3&lg=all&players=0

 

So, in a sense, they project Pivetta doing better, but Perez getting more IP.

[a700hitter]

Exactly. You apparently missed the sarcasm.

But 400+ innings isn’t a sss, and I am more optimistic about the 24 yr old than the 28 yr old.

[moonslav59]

But 400+ innings isn’t a sss, and I am more optimistic about the 24 yr old than the 28 yr old.

 

Close call for me.

 

If it weren't for his 17 IP, last season, Houck's name would not even be part of this discussion.

 

Pivetta has some nasty stuff, and yes, his history is long enough to not be too hopeful.

 

It's hard to get very hopeful over either of these guys, but it's spring, so I'm optimistic on both- pretty close to evenly.

 

I can certainly understand someone liking Houck's chances better, but 17 innings is smaller than a small sample size.

 

What about these sample sizes?

 

517 IP 3.53 ERA MiLB (98 in AAA at 2.40)- Pivetta

vs

249 IP 4.08 ERA MiLB (25 in AAA at 3.96)- Houck

 

(Note: Pivetta was younger at every level in the minors as Houck had 3 years of college before pro ball.)

Edited March 1, 2021 by moonslav59

[a700hitter]

Close call for me.

 

If it weren't for his 17 IP, last season, Houck's name would not even be part of this discussion.

 

Pivetta has some nasty stuff, and yes, his history is long enough to not be too hopeful.

 

It's hard to get very hopeful over either of these guys, but it's spring, so I'm optimistic on both- pretty close to evenly.

 

I can certainly understand someone liking Houck's chances better, but 17 innings is smaller than a small sample size.

 

What about these sample sizes?

 

517 IP 3.53 ERA MiLB (98 in AAA at 2.40)- Pivetta

vs

249 IP 4.08 ERA MiLB (25 in AAA at 3.96)- Houck

 

(Note: Pivetta was younger at every level in the minors as Houck had 3 years of college before pro ball.)

I am not putting a great deal of hope in Houck, and I probably need him to pitch far fewer than 400 innings in order to decide whether he should be rooming with Pivetta on the road.

[Larry Cook]

Houck is a two pitch pitcher. He barely threw his splitter in those 17 innings last year.

 

I still think he should be in the bullpen being groomed as our closer.

[moonslav59]

Houck is a two pitch pitcher. He barely threw his splitter in those 17 innings last year.

 

I still think he should be in the bullpen being groomed as our closer.

 

I'm not seeing that, especially at this point in his career.

[mvp 78]

Lineup today vs. ATL:

Arroyo SS,

Gonzalez 2B,

Martinez LF,

Dalbec 3B,

Chavis 1B,

Muñoz DH,

Puello RF,

Rosario CF,

Bandy C,

Richards P

[Bellhorn04]

But 400+ innings isn’t a sss, and I am more optimistic about the 24 yr old than the 28 yr old.

 

Skepticism in Pivetta is certainly warranted. We got him for virtually nothing, so it would be a bonus if he contributes. He did pitch two decent games for us last year.

[notin]

But 400+ innings isn’t a sss, and I am more optimistic about the 24 yr old than the 28 yr old.

 

Pivetta through age 27: 406 IP, 5.40 ERA, 79 ERA+

Jake Arrieta through AGE 27: 409.2 IP, 5.23 ERA, 80 ERA+

 

Both pitchers were traded in July of their age 27 seasons.

 

Out of nowhere, Arrieta then put up the following number in his next 4 seasons: 751.1 IP, 2.67 ERA, 151 ERA+

 

Now expecting that kind of turnaround from Pivetta is certainly a bit much, but there are a lot of similarities between the two, and Arrieta has certainly shown that it's all possible. Like Arrieta, Pivetta is one of those arsenal pitchers than teams covet bcause he has the talent to be a very good pitcher. Apparently Bloom is not the only one to think so, as Tampa was also trying to acquire him, thinking he could be the next Glasnow.

 

Now of course, the opposite could also happen. As the immortal Boof Bonser (391 IP, 5.12 ERA, 84 ERA+) also had similar numbers through his age 27 season. Boof would go on to throw only 25 innings for the rest of his career due to some injury issues.

 

So is Pivetta another Arrieta or Bonser or, more likely, somewhwere in between? And if so, which one is he closer to and how far away?

[mvp 78]

Jeter's oppo shot if you missed it: https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1366429888429903879

[mvp 78]

@SoxProspects

Great catch by Cesar Puello, reaching over the bullpen to take a home run away from top Braves prospect Cristian Pache. Puello is not known for his defense but he just demonstrated how he's capable of playing all three outfield positions adequately.

 

That's why Bloom has kept him around. The mantra of this team is definitely versatility.

[mvp 78]

Yorke is already better than Trey Ball:

 

https://twitter.com/redsoxstats/status/1366479801691815939