2021 Prospects

[Hugh2]

I remember Josh Hamilton being a rule 5 pick.

 

Imagine losing an MVP candidate and getting nothing in return.

[notin]

I remember Josh Hamilton being a rule 5 pick.

 

Imagine losing an MVP candidate and getting nothing in return.

 

Well, Hamilton as never a question of talent. He was a question of patience and tolerance. He also took a 3 year hiatus from baseball before he was selected.

 

Former AL HR champ George Bell was also a Rule 5 pick...

[moonslav59]

I was thinking more of any everyday single A player taken for Rule 5, hardly played all year, then went on to be something (or even did not go on to greatness.)

[notin]

I was thinking more of any everyday single A player taken for Rule 5, hardly played all year, then went on to be something (or even did not go on to greatness.)

 

Akil Baddoo not only was selected out of A ball, he wasn’t even very good in A ball..

[notin]

I was thinking more of any everyday single A player taken for Rule 5, hardly played all year, then went on to be something (or even did not go on to greatness.)

 

Not really an everyday player, but Astros closer Ryan Pressly had all of 27 innings above A ball when Minnesota selected him from the Red Sox in the Rule 5 draft.

 

Jimenez could be taken. But if I was in Bloom’s position, I might gamble that he wouldn’t be as well…

[moonslav59]

Not really an everyday player, but Astros closer Ryan Pressly had all of 27 innings above A ball when Minnesota selected him from the Red Sox in the Rule 5 draft.

 

Jimenez could be taken. But if I was in Bloom’s position, I might gamble that he wouldn’t be as well…

 

Is Jimenez really better than all the similar players never protected (or taken) before now?

[notin]

Is Jimenez really better than all the similar players never protected (or taken) before now?

 

Akil Baddoo was coming off a season with a .683 OPS in A ball in 2019 at age 20 followed by a missed season in 2020.

 

Age 20 Gilberto Jimenez posted a .751 OPS in A ball this past year and probably won’t follow it with a missing season.

 

So, yes…

[moonslav59]

Akil Baddoo was coming off a season with a .683 OPS in A ball in 2019 at age 20 followed by a missed season in 2020.

 

Age 20 Gilberto Jimenez posted a .751 OPS in A ball this past year and probably won’t follow it with a missing season.

 

So, yes…

 

I still see close to a zero chance he gets picked, if he's left unprotected. (Same with Ward)

Edited October 31, 2021 by moonslav59

[Bellhorn04]

Will Cashman try to pay us back for Whitlock?

[moonslav59]

Will Cashman try to pay us back for Whitlock?

 

No way a team like the Yanks takes a player they don't intend to ever play.

 

It's rebuilding teams that might take a far-away player, because they believe there is a good chance they become great players.

[notin]

I still see close to a zero chance he gets picked, if he's left unprotected. (Same with Ward)

 

I think nearly every team has a Gilberto Jimenez they debate protecting. He’s probably one of 20 such high risk/high reward A ball players who will be left exposed. Perhaps the success of Baddoo will tempt more teams to take such a risk, but since they definitely won’t all pan out, there’s an equal to greater chance he gets returned, especially if the Sox make for difficult trade partners…

[moonslav59]

I think nearly every team has a Gilberto Jimenez they debate protecting. He’s probably one of 20 such high risk/high reward A ball players who will be left exposed. Perhaps the success of Baddoo will tempt more teams to take such a risk, but since they definitely won’t all pan out, there’s an equal to greater chance he gets returned, especially if the Sox make for difficult trade partners…

 

All it takes is one GM to believe Jimenez is the best of those 20 and want him badly enough to fill the 26th man slot of their roster for a year.

 

I don't think there is such a GM out there, and it's not worth filling a 40 man slot with him over that risk.

[notin]

All it takes is one GM to believe Jimenez is the best of those 20 and want him badly enough to fill the 26th man slot of their roster for a year.

 

I don't think there is such a GM out there, and it's not worth filling a 40 man slot with him over that risk.

 

What about Dave Dombrowski, who signed Jimenez as an international free agent?

 

Or Ben Cherington, whose connection to the Sox is really only coincidental here since he had nothing to do with Jimenez? But Cherington's position in Pittsburgh necessitates that he look at just about any player who possesses the skill of playing in MLB for league minimum...

[moonslav59]

What about Dave Dombrowski, who signed Jimenez as an international free agent?

 

Or Ben Cherington, whose connection to the Sox is really only coincidental here since he had nothing to do with Jimenez? But Cherington's position in Pittsburgh necessitates that he look at just about any player who possesses the skill of playing in MLB for league minimum...

 

Do you think he even has a 10% chance of being selected and kept all year?

[Hugh2]

Whatever the odds are that a guy like Gilberto gets picked in the rule 5, the odds that he gets sent back to the Sox is much higher.

[mvp 78]

What about Dave Dombrowski, who signed Jimenez as an international free agent?

 

Or Ben Cherington, whose connection to the Sox is really only coincidental here since he had nothing to do with Jimenez? But Cherington's position in Pittsburgh necessitates that he look at just about any player who possesses the skill of playing in MLB for league minimum...

 

I'm not sure how much DD values prospects. He certainly had no trouble moving lower level guys at will.

[notin]

I'm not sure how much DD values prospects. He certainly had no trouble moving lower level guys at will.

 

He could select Jimenez in the draft and then trade him. However, Jimenez' status as a Rule 5 player would follow him to his new team...

[moonslav59]

He could select Jimenez in the draft and then trade him. However, Jimenez' status as a Rule 5 player would follow him to his new team...

 

Is there a 10% chance Jimenez gets picked?

 

Ward?

 

Feltman?

 

If we DFA Rosario and Potts, will they be snatched up?

[notin]

Is there a 10% chance Jimenez gets picked?

 

Ward?

 

Feltman?

 

If we DFA Rosario and Potts, will they be snatched up?

 

Potts won't be missed. And it won'r be too hard to find better options from just about any other organzation. Rosario might be more intriguing because his calling card is his defense, and he could slide into a 4th outfielder role for a number of teams. Is he really any worse than, say, Connor Joe?

[mvp 78]

Is there a 10% chance Jimenez gets picked?

 

Ward?

 

Feltman?

 

If we DFA Rosario and Potts, will they be snatched up?

 

Feltman is more likely to be picked than Ward who is more likely to be picked than Jimenez.

[moonslav59]

Feltman is more likely to be picked than Ward who is more likely to be picked than Jimenez.

 

Agreed, but would you guess the chances Feltamn gets selected as being over 50-50?

 

(Not that 50-50 should be the deciding numbers.)

[moonslav59]

Potts won't be missed. And it won'r be too hard to find better options from just about any other organzation. Rosario might be more intriguing because his calling card is his defense, and he could slide into a 4th outfielder role for a number of teams. Is he really any worse than, say, Connor Joe?

 

I was happy we got Rosario, and I suppose we may keep him.

 

I'm also thinking Arauz may be dealt of DFA's, but our 2B/SS depth is rather lacking.

[mvp 78]

Agreed, but would you guess the chances Feltamn gets selected as being over 50-50?

 

(Not that 50-50 should be the deciding numbers.)

 

Yes.

[moonslav59]

Yes.

 

I think it's close to 50-50, but I would protect him, even at 33%.

[notin]

Feltman is more likely to be picked than Ward who is more likely to be picked than Jimenez.

 

Jimenez is a long shot to be taken, but I’m not sure there is a GM with the necessary combination of patience and stupidity to take Thad Ward.

 

I could at least see someone looking at Jimenez and thinking “he’s this year’s Baddoo!!”

[jacksonianmarch]

Teams have started to Rule V and stash guys on their active roster. Prior years, you'd only worry about guys who were ready, but now you need to protect talent over proximity

[moonslav59]

Teams have started to Rule V and stash guys on their active roster. Prior years, you'd only worry about guys who were ready, but now you need to protect talent over proximity

 

The 26th slot changes things, too.

[mvp 78]

It's going to be a bit of a tightrope walk. I'm assuming that Potts will be DFA'd, but they keep Rosario. Rosario, Ronaldo Hernandez, Mata and Groome are already on the 40 man roster and will most likely not have a role on the 2022 MLB squad. How many slots do you really want to fill on the 40 man with guys that can't help the big club?

[notin]

It's going to be a bit of a tightrope walk. I'm assuming that Potts will be DFA'd, but they keep Rosario. Rosario, Ronaldo Hernandez, Mata and Groome are already on the 40 man roster and will most likely not have a role on the 2022 MLB squad. How many slots do you really want to fill on the 40 man with guys that can't help the big club?

 

Would you DFA Rosario to protect Jimenez?

[mvp 78]

Would you DFA Rosario to protect Jimenez?

 

If I had to, mainly because Rosario's bat is just so behind. Hasn't OPS'd above 700 since low A in 2018. I think you could find a glove first OFer elsewhere if some other team claimed him.

 

Vs RHP, Jimenez OPS'd 805. Right now, he's Duran without the power, but not as clueless in the field. I think he still has a decent ceiling.

 

I don't know if the Sox are comfortable with storing both of them on the 40 man, unless they really see Rosario as being able to be an up and down guy in emergency situations (a la Arauz).