2021 Prospects

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If I had to, mainly because Rosario's bat is just so behind. Hasn't OPS'd above 700 since low A in 2018. I think you could find a glove first OFer elsewhere if some other team claimed him.

 

Vs RHP, Jimenez OPS'd 805. Right now, he's Duran without the power, but not as clueless in the field. I think he still has a decent ceiling.

 

I don't know if the Sox are comfortable with storing both of them on the 40 man, unless they really see Rosario as being able to be an up and down guy in emergency situations (a la Arauz).

 

I could see either being taken, but if Rosario is taken it is to be a 4th outfielder, which is probably his ceiling. Jimenez, as I have mentioned before, might be selected based upon the success of Baddoo last season. Especially since he is probably a better player than Baddoo.

 

So I do DFA Rosario to protect Jimenez...

[moonslav59]

I think Potts and Rosario are both DFA'd. We may DFA Arauz, if we plan on adding a decent utility IF'er.

 

We need room for at least 3-4 FAs, too.

 

What's the chances of us just trading Jimenez or trading him and someone else for 1 forty man roster guy?

 

I know other teams have roster crunches, too, but maybe not that bad.

 

Like...

 

Bazardo & Jimenez for a better or more hopeful RP'er?

[mvp 78]

I think Potts and Rosario are both DFA'd. We may DFA Arauz, if we plan on adding a decent utility IF'er.

 

We need room for at least 3-4 FAs, too.

 

What's the chances of us just trading Jimenez or trading him and someone else for 1 forty man roster guy?

 

I know other teams have roster crunches, too, but maybe not that bad.

 

Like...

 

Bazardo & Jimenez for a better or more hopeful RP'er?

 

Bassit/Puk/Trivino

for

Jimenez/Seabold/Potts/Rosario

[moonslav59]

Bassit/Puk/Trivino

for

Jimenez/Seabold/Potts/Rosario

 

OAK can just wait until we DFA Potts and Rosario, then draft Jimenez in Rule 5.

 

In a sense, they just get Seabold.

[mvp 78]

OAK can just wait until we DFA Potts and Rosario, then draft Jimenez in Rule 5.

 

In a sense, they just get Seabold.

 

In that sense, why would anyone trade for a pending rule V DFA guy?

 

However, there would be no guarantee that Jimenez would be available when the A's draft and Potts and Rosario could pick any team, not necessarily the A's.

 

Again, BTV is not real life though. It may be a good measure of actual value.

[moonslav59]

In that sense, why would anyone trade for a pending rule V DFA guy?

 

However, there would be no guarantee that Jimenez would be available when the A's draft and Potts and Rosario could pick any team, not necessarily the A's.

 

Again, BTV is not real life though. It may be a good measure of actual value.

 

You'd wait until after the Rule 5 set date, to see if Jimenez was protected or not. If he is protected, you might trade for him. If not, you might wait, unless you think someone else might nab him before your pick.

 

Yes, Potts and Rosario can pick any team, but if you are willing to trade for players likely to be DFA'd, you probably like them more than others and might offer them the highest contract.

[moonslav59]

BTV values Sox prospects as such...

 

54 Casas

43 Mayer

43 Houck (not a prospect anymore)

23 Duran

22 Yorke

21 Whitlock (not a prospect)

12 Downs

11 Jimenez

6.0 Mata

4.8 Bello

4.5 Jordan

4.3 Groome

3.9 Gonzalez

3.5 Seabold

3.3 Winckowski

3.0 McDonough & Rosario

2.8 RHernandez

2.6 Bonaci, Ward & Decker

2.4 Bleis, Potts & Wong

2.2 Murphy

(Only over 2's listed.)

[notin]

In that sense, why would anyone trade for a pending rule V DFA guy?

 

However, there would be no guarantee that Jimenez would be available when the A's draft and Potts and Rosario could pick any team, not necessarily the A's.

 

Again, BTV is not real life though. It may be a good measure of actual value.

 

Teams trade for pending Rule 5 guys all the time. If they have a spot on the 40 man roster, it's not a big deal. And it gives the extremely valuable added bonus of allowing the player to stay and play in the minors, not gain a year of service time, and postpones free agency for a full season. Heck, sometimes teams actually trade for a Rule 5 player that has already been selected. The Twins did very well dealing for Johan Santana this way...

[notin]

OAK can just wait until we DFA Potts and Rosario, then draft Jimenez in Rule 5.

 

In a sense, they just get Seabold.

 

If Potts and Rosario have any value, they would get claimed before Oakland had a chance to claim them off waivers, since Oakland was actually a fairly good team last season. Also, they would have a lower Rule 5 pick, and if Jimenez is on anyone's radar, they might miss him as well.

 

The counterargument is that they will receive better offers for Bassitt and Trivino. Puk is less valuable than the orthopedic surgeon any team acquiring him will suddenly need... .

[mvp 78]

BTV values Sox prospects as such...

 

54 Casas

43 Mayer

43 Houck (not a prospect anymore)

23 Duran

22 Yorke

21 Whitlock (not a prospect)

12 Downs

11 Jimenez

6.0 Mata

4.8 Bello

4.5 Jordan

4.3 Groome

3.9 Gonzalez

3.5 Seabold

3.3 Winckowski

3.0 McDonough & Rosario

2.8 RHernandez

2.6 Bonaci, Ward & Decker

2.4 Bleis, Potts & Wong

2.2 Murphy

(Only over 2's listed.)

 

Surprising the discrepancy in value of Whitlock and Houck.

[mvp 78]

Teams trade for pending Rule 5 guys all the time. If they have a spot on the 40 man roster, it's not a big deal. And it gives the extremely valuable added bonus of allowing the player to stay and play in the minors, not gain a year of service time, and postpones free agency for a full season. Heck, sometimes teams actually trade for a Rule 5 player that has already been selected. The Twins did very well dealing for Johan Santana this way...

 

That was my point. Saying "the A's wouldn't trade for those players because they can just wait until they are DFA'd" is a bad argument.

[mvp 78]

If Potts and Rosario have any value, they would get claimed before Oakland had a chance to claim them off waivers, since Oakland was actually a fairly good team last season. Also, they would have a lower Rule 5 pick, and if Jimenez is on anyone's radar, they might miss him as well.

 

The counterargument is that they will receive better offers for Bassitt and Trivino. Puk is less valuable than the orthopedic surgeon any team acquiring him will suddenly need... .

 

Yes, they probably could get better value. I was just spit balling with BTV.

[notin]

That was my point. Saying "the A's wouldn't trade for those players because they can just wait until they are DFA'd" is a bad argument.

 

Exactly, especially given how unlikely they’d be to claim them anyway…

[notin]

Surprising the discrepancy in value of Whitlock and Houck.

 

They might be projecting Houck as a starter and Whitlock as a closer. Makes a substantial difference. A 2.5 fWAR starter is acceptable; a 2.5fWAR closer is elite…

[moonslav59]

If Potts and Rosario have any value, they would get claimed before Oakland had a chance to claim them off waivers, since Oakland was actually a fairly good team last season. Also, they would have a lower Rule 5 pick, and if Jimenez is on anyone's radar, they might miss him as well.

 

The counterargument is that they will receive better offers for Bassitt and Trivino. Puk is less valuable than the orthopedic surgeon any team acquiring him will suddenly need... .

 

The other thing is that it is very likely players better than Potts & Rosario will be non-tendered or DFA'd at the same time as our two or three. They very likely would not get claimed.

[notin]

The other thing is that it is very likely players better than Potts & Rosario will be non-tendered or DFA'd at the same time as our two or three. They very likely would not get claimed.

 

THe wild card in all this is the success of Akil Baddoo.

 

AS noted on the other thread, we think the sudden need is to emulate the current winners. Well, while teams rarely reconstruct their roster to mimic the last champion as best they can, we do see teams trying to emulate lesser strategies. Baddoo was a pretty weak hitter in A ball, where he had a sub-.600 OPS. But he panned out in MLB somewhat. I would not be surprised if a team or two just grabbed a toolsy player struggling in A ball on hopes that something blossoms in a new organization. This is why I think there is a better chance Jimenez gets taken than most of the othjer available players in the Sox system.

 

Of course, the occasikonal unprotected player with some MLB experience (re: Franchy Cordero) might appeal to some teams, too., like when the Sox took Josh Rutledge. Although I think the Sox might have to bring Cordero back first. I'm not sure what his status is. But if he does get taken, I won;t sweat it too much...

[mvp 78]

THe wild card in all this is the success of Akil Baddoo.

 

AS noted on the other thread, we think the sudden need is to emulate the current winners. Well, while teams rarely reconstruct their roster to mimic the last champion as best they can, we do see teams trying to emulate lesser strategies. Baddoo was a pretty weak hitter in A ball, where he had a sub-.600 OPS. But he panned out in MLB somewhat. I would not be surprised if a team or two just grabbed a toolsy player struggling in A ball on hopes that something blossoms in a new organization. This is why I think there is a better chance Jimenez gets taken than most of the othjer available players in the Sox system.

 

Of course, the occasikonal unprotected player with some MLB experience (re: Franchy Cordero) might appeal to some teams, too., like when the Sox took Josh Rutledge. Although I think the Sox might have to bring Cordero back first. I'm not sure what his status is. But if he does get taken, I won;t sweat it too much...

 

Cordero was assigned to AAA and is not on the 40 man. He could be taken in the Rule V draft, but it doesn't seem likely.

[mvp 78]

They might be projecting Houck as a starter and Whitlock as a closer. Makes a substantial difference. A 2.5 fWAR starter is acceptable; a 2.5fWAR closer is elite…

 

I have those two flip flopped.

[moonslav59]

THe wild card in all this is the success of Akil Baddoo.

 

AS noted on the other thread, we think the sudden need is to emulate the current winners. Well, while teams rarely reconstruct their roster to mimic the last champion as best they can, we do see teams trying to emulate lesser strategies. Baddoo was a pretty weak hitter in A ball, where he had a sub-.600 OPS. But he panned out in MLB somewhat. I would not be surprised if a team or two just grabbed a toolsy player struggling in A ball on hopes that something blossoms in a new organization. This is why I think there is a better chance Jimenez gets taken than most of the othjer available players in the Sox system.

 

Of course, the occasikonal unprotected player with some MLB experience (re: Franchy Cordero) might appeal to some teams, too., like when the Sox took Josh Rutledge. Although I think the Sox might have to bring Cordero back first. I'm not sure what his status is. But if he does get taken, I won;t sweat it too much...

 

The 26th roster spot changed things, too.

 

Do you think someone takes Jimenez?

 

If BTV is right about their 10.8 value on Jimenez, maybe someone will.

 

I will say, I'd rather keep Jimenez than Rosario, Potts, Arauz and maybe a couple others.

 

I don't think he'll get selected, but I'm not sure what the odds would need to be that he gets picked for me to decide to protect him. Maybe 25%?

[moonslav59]

I have those two flip flopped.

 

Me, too, despite the fact that Houck has experience starting.

 

I'd like to keep both in the pen, but with the price of quality SP'ers, I doubt that happens.

 

Having two proven, quality long men in the pen, is a nice advantageous aspect of a staff.

[mvp 78]

The difference with Baddoo was projection. Baddoo had been out of action due to TJS. He showed well at instructs and had loud tools. Jimenez was still in low A last year and not really meeting expectations. Baddoo would have most likely been in AA in 2020 and was closer to the show. Jimenez is still pretty far away.

 

Today, I'm thinking that the Sox don't protect him. I may change my mind later.

[notin]

The difference with Baddoo was projection. Baddoo had been out of action due to TJS. He showed well at instructs and had loud tools. Jimenez was still in low A last year and not really meeting expectations. Baddoo would have most likely been in AA in 2020 and was closer to the show. Jimenez is still pretty far away.

 

Today, I'm thinking that the Sox don't protect him. I may change my mind later.

 

 

 

Where Baddoo would have been is immaterial and pretty much speculation. Whether or not Baddoo had TJS actually doesn't matter much, since there was no AA season in 2020 anyway.

 

For his actual accomplishments, he posted a .683 OPS as a 20yo in A+ ball. That's hardly any reason for people to write folk songs about him. Jimenez was a 20yo in A ball with a .751 OPS and a better defensive profile. Both are those "toolsy" types that rarely live up to their hype, but often excite minor league talent evaluators. I could see Jimenez getting selected.

 

Of course, there will be other toolsy types left unprotected as well who might be chosen instead...

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Cordero was assigned to AAA and is not on the 40 man. He could be taken in the Rule V draft, but it doesn't seem likely.

 

When does he become a minor league free agent?

[mvp 78]

Where Baddoo would have been is immaterial and pretty much speculation. Whether or not Baddoo had TJS actually doesn't matter much, since there was no AA season in 2020 anyway.

 

For his actual accomplishments, he posted a .683 OPS as a 20yo in A+ ball. That's hardly any reason for people to write folk songs about him. Jimenez was a 20yo in A ball with a .751 OPS and a better defensive profile. Both are those "toolsy" types that rarely live up to their hype, but often excite minor league talent evaluators. I could see Jimenez getting selected.

 

Of course, there will be other toolsy types left unprotected as well who might be chosen instead...

 

Tell me more about his one month of A+ before he was out for the year with TJS. That's a great sample size.

[mvp 78]

When does he become a minor league free agent?

 

Next offseason.

 

While Cordero could’ve rejected the assignment and become a free agent and tested the market, MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo reports that Cordero quietly signed a one-year, $825K contract for the 2022 season at some point before he was passed through waivers.

[Bellhorn04]

Next offseason.

 

While Cordero could’ve rejected the assignment and become a free agent and tested the market, MassLive.com’s Chris Cotillo reports that Cordero quietly signed a one-year, $825K contract for the 2022 season at some point before he was passed through waivers.

 

A quiet $825 K!

[mvp 78]

https://www.milb.com/portland/news/boston-red-sox-kole-cottam-plays-hero-in-afl

 

I didn't know that Cottam had such a sweet stache.

[mvp 78]

A quiet $825 K!

 

I would've used "sneaky."

[notin]

I would've used "sneaky."

 

Unless they were referring to the noise level emitted by the pen during the process...

[notin]

https://www.milb.com/portland/news/boston-red-sox-kole-cottam-plays-hero-in-afl

 

I didn't know that Cottam had such a sweet stache.

 

 

He’s like a 1970s porn star…