2020-2021 Offseason Thread

[mvp 78]

For a rebuild on a team with cash available, I’ve always wondered why a team doesn’t load up on a bunch of one year deals and then sell off the ones that hit at the deadline and essentially turn the one year of cash outlay into a prospect haul?

 

That's exactly what they should do. Even for C level prospects.

[Bellhorn04]

For a rebuild on a team with cash available, I’ve always wondered why a team doesn’t load up on a bunch of one year deals and then sell off the ones that hit at the deadline and essentially turn the one year of cash outlay into a prospect haul?

 

Bloom did it last year with Pillar and Moreland.

[moonslav59]

For a rebuild on a team with cash available, I’ve always wondered why a team doesn’t load up on a bunch of one year deals and then sell off the ones that hit at the deadline and essentially turn the one year of cash outlay into a prospect haul?

 

I've thought of that, too. Even if half end up being worthless, the other half can help build up the farm- like Moreland & Pillar did, last year.

 

Why not sign 6 like them?

 

(We could have also traded Perez.)

[moonslav59]

He's trying to add depth to the org as a whole (the "building back up" gimmick). Only problem with that is he needs to add some top end guys too.

 

I think he will.

 

Maybe 2 guys to 3 year deals (Odorizzi may be one)

Maybe 2-3 guys to build capable roster depth.

Maybe 2-3 guys on 1 year deals as bridges to Duran or Downs or as possible deadline trade pieces.

[jacksonianmarch]

I've thought of that, too. Even if half end up being worthless, the other half can help build up the farm- like Moreland & Pillar did, last year.

 

Why not sign 6 like them?

 

(We could have also traded Perez.)

 

I agree. Just outbid everyone on the 1 year market. I would have offered Morton, Kluber and Smyly those 1 year deals and sold them all off if their arms were still attached at the deadline

[moonslav59]

That's exactly what they should do. Even for C level prospects.

 

Much of our rise in farm rankings came from deadline trades and the Mookie trade.

 

Seabold & Pivetta (not a prospect) for Workman & Hembree

Rosario & Potts for Moreland

Wallace for Pillar

 

(Down & Wong, last winter for Betts)

 

soxprospects.com has our draftees ranked rather low, so not much of a boost came from them:

13. Yorke

19. Jordan

32. Drohan

 

(30. Whitlock Rule 5)

 

[moonslav59]

I agree. Just outbid everyone on the 1 year market. I would have offered Morton, Kluber and Smyly those 1 year deals and sold them all off if their arms were still attached at the deadline

 

...and if we end up playing really well, maybe go for it, instead.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

He's trying to add depth to the org as a whole (the "building back up" gimmick). Only problem with that is he needs to add some top end guys too.

 

The problem is he won't, especially now that the Hendriks' contract probably just increased what Brad Hand will get. There's no way Bloom will shell out more than what he could've had Hand for a few months ago. A financial loss like that would look embarrassing.

 

Ozuna is still an option, if the Restraint Sox' pitchers can figure out a way to keep the ball away from the Green Monster.

 

Odorizzi is a mid-end guy the staff could really use, but there are no reports that any deal is imminent... just interest. One site is now calling Boston the Interest Kings...

[Bellhorn04]

I agree. Just outbid everyone on the 1 year market. I would have offered Morton, Kluber and Smyly those 1 year deals and sold them all off if their arms were still attached at the deadline

 

Now you're getting a little carried away. Those 3 got $37 million combined. That would put us over the tax threshold, with no guarantee of recouping any money.

[Bellhorn04]

The problem is he won't, especially now that the Hendriks' contract probably just increased what Brad Hand will get. There's no way Bloom will shell out more than what he could've had Hand for a few months ago. A financial loss like that would look embarrassing.

 

Ozuna is still an option, if the Restraint Sox' pitchers can figure out a way to keep the ball away from the Green Monster.

 

Odorizzi is a mid-end guy the staff could really use, but there are no reports that any deal is imminent... just interest. One site is now calling Boston the Interest Kings...

 

Interest Kings - not bad.

[mvp 78]

@bostonsportsinf

January 22, 2003

 

David Ortiz is signed by the Red Sox to a 1-year, $1,250,000 contract as a free agent.

 

World Series Champ - 3x

All-Star - 10x

World Series MVP - 1x

Silver Slugger - 7x

[mvp 78]

The problem is he won't, especially now that the Hendriks' contract probably just increased what Brad Hand will get. There's no way Bloom will shell out more than what he could've had Hand for a few months ago. A financial loss like that would look embarrassing.

 

Ozuna is still an option, if the Restraint Sox' pitchers can figure out a way to keep the ball away from the Green Monster.

 

Odorizzi is a mid-end guy the staff could really use, but there are no reports that any deal is imminent... just interest. One site is now calling Boston the Interest Kings...

 

I agree that Bloom isn't getting the top tier guys this season.

[mvp 78]

...and if we end up playing really well, maybe go for it, instead.

 

Even if they are playing well, they won't "go for it." Not this season anyway.

[moonslav59]

Even if they are playing well, they won't "go for it." Not this season anyway.

 

They might not trade away free-agents-to-be, if we are ahead in the WC race by the deadline.

 

Maybe that's not "going for it," but it's not giving up, either.

[notin]

I agree. Just outbid everyone on the 1 year market. I would have offered Morton, Kluber and Smyly those 1 year deals and sold them all off if their arms were still attached at the deadline

 

 

Morton maybe. Smyly rarely even lasts to the break, so he is a poor option there.

 

Worth pointing out they did do that with Perez...

[notin]

Even if they are playing well, they won't "go for it." Not this season anyway.

 

The whole "all in" tyhing basically means they are not unloading the farm for missing pieces. There are still plenty of free agent players thy can bring on board, either long term or for short/flip deals.

[Bellhorn04]

Morton maybe. Smyly rarely even lasts to the break, so he is a poor option there.

 

Worth pointing out they did do that with Perez...

 

Did what?

[notin]

Did what?

 

Signed him to a one year deal...

[Bellhorn04]

Signed him to a one year deal...

 

Got it. Thought you were talking about 2020.

[moonslav59]

Profar to Padres.

 

Chatwood to Blue Jays.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sorry if this should be on the Aaron thread, but I think it's relevant in our ongoing debate on the Red Sox investing in and acquiring major leaguers:

 

Henry Aaron had 16 seasons of at least 6 WAR... does anyone think a guy like that is worth a six-year contract?

[kenmeister]

Sorry if this should be on the Aaron thread, but I think it's relevant in our ongoing debate on the Red Sox investing in and acquiring major leaguers:

 

Henry Aaron had 16 seasons of at least 6 WAR... does anyone think a guy like that is worth a six-year contract?

 

I'm looking at his stats ...

 

Age 37: 1.079 OPS

Age 38: .904 OPS

Age 39: 1.045 OPS

Age 40: .832 OPS

Age 41: .687 OPS

Age 42: .684 OPS

 

So he was good through age 40. As long as he is 34 or younger when that six year contract is signed, he'd have been gold.

[Bellhorn04]

Sorry if this should be on the Aaron thread, but I think it's relevant in our ongoing debate on the Red Sox investing in and acquiring major leaguers:

 

Henry Aaron had 16 seasons of at least 6 WAR... does anyone think a guy like that is worth a six-year contract?

 

Of course.

 

But if you're playing the percentages, how many guys like that are there?

 

Or, percentage-wise, how many actual contracts of 6 years or longer have paid dividends?

[moonslav59]

I'm looking at his stats ...

 

Age 37: 1.079 OPS

Age 38: .904 OPS

Age 39: 1.045 OPS

Age 40: .832 OPS

Age 41: .687 OPS

Age 42: .684 OPS

 

So he was good through age 40. As long as he is 34 or younger when that six year contract is signed, he'd have been gold.

 

Some compared Betts to Hank.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Some compared Betts to Hank.

 

Well, both their playing weights are listed as 180 pounds, so it's inevitable that Mookie will break down like Hank at age 86.

 

Wait... I think you mean rightfielders' WAR, age 21-26, all-time for the years 1871-2020: 1. Aaron 45.3, 2. Betts 41.8.... or HRs: 1. Aaron 206; Doubles 1. Betts 229.

[Bellhorn04]

Sox reportedly closing in on deal with Enrique Hernandez.

[mvp 78]

Good

[a700hitter]

Sox reportedly closing in on deal with Enrique Hernandez.

I’d rather sign Holt and go after Ozuna for the OF.

[mvp 78]

I’d rather sign Holt and go after Ozuna for the OF.

 

Ozuna isn’t blocked by Kiké.

[a700hitter]

Ozuna isn’t blocked by Kiké.

i’d rather Use the extra money for pitching