Why was Mookie traded, exactly?

[Bellhorn04]

As the OP, I would prefer we didn't turn this into another general Red Sox thread.

[mvp 78]

As the OP, I would prefer we didn't turn this into another general Red Sox thread.

 

Mookie was traded because John Henry is a cheap bastard who didn't want to pay Betts an extra 6M a year.

[notin]

Mookie was traded because John Henry is a cheap bastard who didn't want to pay Betts an extra 6M a year.

 

Yeah! What kind of cheap SOB owner sets some puss at $240 million limit on his payroll?!?!?!

 

And being fair, most stories had Mookie deadest against extensions and determined to test the market. It’s possible that him signing an extension with LA was just another COVID side effect...

[mvp 78]

Yeah! What kind of cheap SOB owner sets some puss at $240 million limit on his payroll?!?!?!

 

And being fair, most stories had Mookie deadest against extensions and determined to test the market. It’s possible that him signing an extension with LA was just another COVID side effect...

 

Just like if you were Betts' momma you would have told Betts to take 300M... I've heard that a lot around here. It's just excuse making for a bad decision by Henry. Not even going back with a counter offer is embarrassing.

[Bellhorn04]

When it's all said and done, it could turn out to be 100% the right move.

 

Or not.

[Bellhorn04]

One thing I admire on Mookie's part is that he hasn't said anything about how he was willing to negotiate and couldn't understand why the Red Sox wouldn't, or that type of thing. He said they didn't owe him anything and he didn't owe them anything.

[notin]

Just like if you were Betts' momma you would have told Betts to take 300M... I've heard that a lot around here. It's just excuse making for a bad decision by Henry. Not even going back with a counter offer is embarrassing.

 

Do we know there was no counter? Not every aspect of a negotiation makes the papers.

 

No one has touted the “Don’t sign Price and extend Mookie instead” banner louder than me. I started doing it on that other website way back when, before the ink on Price’s signature was dry. But I can’t even pretend I know how everything went down...

[mvp 78]

Do we know there was no counter? Not every aspect of a negotiation makes the papers.

 

No one has touted the “Don’t sign Price and extend Mookie instead” banner louder than me. I started doing it on that other website way back when, before the ink on Price’s signature was dry. But I can’t even pretend I know how everything went down...

 

Do we know that Betts didn't counter with "I'll take 31M annually"????????????????

 

Nobody cares about the "other" site. If you loved it some much, you shouldn't have let it die the way Henry let contract negotiations die with Mookie.

[moonslav59]

I didn't think Mookie wanted to even discuss an extension, ever.

[Bellhorn04]

I didn't think Mookie wanted to even discuss an extension, ever.

 

The one thing we do know is that wasn't the case.

[mvp 78]

Obviously, we know the reason he was traded was that ownership didn't feel comfortable with Betts' price point and we can assume that 30M annually was their top dollar. They decided it was worth it to sell a year of Betts for multiple years of Verdugo and prospects and the risk of Betts signing elsewhere.

 

The only real questions are: should they have traded him and did the receive adequate value back?

 

To me, if they weren't going to sign him for anything higher than their original offer, then you just have to trade him. However, if I owned the team I would have worked a little harder to keep him around. Theoretically, I say the shouldn't have traded him. Was the value they received back worth the one year of Betts? For sure.

 

I understand "why" they traded him and agree that the trade was a good trade. However, I don't think they should have let it get to that point.

[Bellhorn04]

It's a two-way street though. Mookie always seemed very content to go to free agency and play hardball.

[mvp 78]

It's a two-way street though. Mookie always seemed very content to go to free agency and play hardball.

 

Ok. I would have made it worth his while to stay.

[notin]

Ok. I would have made it worth his while to stay.

 

 

Would your offer have included cuddling with him?

[notin]

Do we know that Betts didn't counter with "I'll take 31M annually"????????????????

 

Nobody cares about the "other" site. If you loved it some much, you shouldn't have let it die the way Henry let contract negotiations die with Mookie.

 

No we don’t know that. That’s my point. The bulk of the negotiations are a mystery.

 

I’d be very surprised if Mookie countered with a $31mill offer and even more surprised if it was rejected. But yes, we don’t “know” that.

 

Not sure what the point here was supposed to be.

[mvp 78]

No we don’t know that. That’s my point. The bulk of the negotiations are a mystery.

 

I’d be very surprised if Mookie countered with a $31mill offer and even more surprised if it was rejected. But yes, we don’t “know” that.

 

Not sure what the point here was supposed to be.

 

You said: "Do we know there was no counter? Not every aspect of a negotiation makes the papers."

 

We can only respond with things we know actually happened. We can't just say "well maybe they did make an offer and it just wasn't reported." It makes no sense. I'd be very surprised if the Sox made a counter offer and didn't leak it to the press since they have seemingly leaked every little thing to the press ever since they s*** canned Tito a decade ago.

[mvp 78]

Would your offer have included cuddling with him?

 

No, I'd have to increase the AAV if that was included. I'm also not much of a cuddler.

[moonslav59]

The one thing we do know is that wasn't the case.

 

Just because he extended with the Dodgers, during a pandemic, does not mean he was open to extension discussions way back in 2016.

[mvp 78]

Just because he extended with the Dodgers, during a pandemic, does not mean he was open to extension discussions way back in 2016.

 

I think it means he was very likely open to negotiations in the 19-20 offseason.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Ah, the Kennedy Assassination of Boston baseball... until/if we ever know the truth, guys like us will always debate.

 

One thing we all agree upon is that Chaim Bloom didn't suddenly join the Red Sox and decide to trade Mookie Betts on his own. But if you believe ownership indeed forced his hand, then you have to at least consider that dumping Price was also an order. Packaging them together may very well be the only way Bloom could move Price. And chances are, trading Mookie on his own would have netted an even better return.

[Bellhorn04]

Just because he extended with the Dodgers, during a pandemic, does not mean he was open to extension discussions way back in 2016.

 

Have to repeat this then: Mookie said he gave serious consideration to the earlier extension offer for 8/$200.

[Bellhorn04]

Ah, the Kennedy Assassination of Boston baseball... until/if we ever know the truth, guys like us will always debate.

 

One thing we all agree upon is that Chaim Bloom didn't suddenly join the Red Sox and decide to trade Mookie Betts on his own. But if you believe ownership indeed forced his hand, then you have to at least consider that dumping Price was also an order. Packaging them together may very well be the only way Bloom could move Price. And chances are, trading Mookie on his own would have netted an even better return.

 

Hard to say, but getting Verdugo and Downs for 1 year of Mookie, with the Dodgers paying him $27 million, was a damn good return. Not sure how Bloom was supposed to do any better than that.

[Kimmi]

Bell , I'm starting to come around on Bloom . I had him figured as just an Ivy League , Theo wannabe , pencil neck geek. But he has made a few good moves . Hornswoggling Cashman out of Whitlock in itself is worth a big feather in his cap.

 

 

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Kimmi]

Just like if you were Betts' momma you would have told Betts to take 300M... I've heard that a lot around here. It's just excuse making for a bad decision by Henry. Not even going back with a counter offer is embarrassing.

 

There was nothing wrong with the Red Sox offer. Mookie's counter offer is what's embarrassing.

[Kimmi]

Dodgers Place Brusdar Graterol On 10-Day IL

 

By Connor Byrne | April 29, 2021 at 7:03pm CDT

 

The Dodgers have placed right-hander Brusdar Graterol on the 10-day injured list with forearm tightness, per a club announcement.

 

A forearm issue is particularly unwelcome news regarding Graterol, who underwent Tommy John surgery as a Twins prospect in 2016 and also battled shoulder problems as a member of the organization.

[Donnie Sadler was short]

Im sorry but when I read this article, the part where he whines about rookie hazing & having to get the beer & not riding the elevator until after the veterans, well Mookie you come across like a whiny little bitch. Every sport "hazes" its rookies. I have read other stories where he repeated he didnt like how they treated rookies.

 

https://www.gq.com/story/dodgers-mookie-betts-profile

[Donnie Sadler was short]

Dodgers Place Brusdar Graterol On 10-Day IL

 

By Connor Byrne | April 29, 2021 at 7:03pm CDT

 

The Dodgers have placed right-hander Brusdar Graterol on the 10-day injured list with forearm tightness, per a club announcement.

 

A forearm issue is particularly unwelcome news regarding Graterol, who underwent Tommy John surgery as a Twins prospect in 2016 and also battled shoulder problems as a member of the organization.

 

Who was added when Sox decided not to go with Graterol? Was it Downs or Wong?

[moonslav59]

Who was added when Sox decided not to go with Graterol? Was it Downs or Wong?

 

Both.

[Bellhorn04]

Im sorry but when I read this article, the part where he whines about rookie hazing & having to get the beer & not riding the elevator until after the veterans, well Mookie you come across like a whiny little bitch. Every sport "hazes" its rookies. I have read other stories where he repeated he didnt like how they treated rookies.

 

https://www.gq.com/story/dodgers-mookie-betts-profile

 

I don't know, maybe it was time for someone to stand up and say that rookie hazing was stupid s**t.

[jad]

Im sorry but when I read this article, the part where he whines about rookie hazing & having to get the beer & not riding the elevator until after the veterans, well Mookie you come across like a whiny little bitch. Every sport "hazes" its rookies. I have read other stories where he repeated he didnt like how they treated rookies.

 

https://www.gq.com/story/dodgers-mookie-betts-profile

 

Hazing is illegal now in the military, at most universities, and in most pro-sports. It is now recognized as the stupid, juvenile, and hypocritical activity it always has been. It is particularly prevalent among sexually-repressed homophobes who find themselves in the company of fellow gay-bashers and pedophiles (e.g., late 20th c American prep-schools and fraternities). Time for it to go.