Why was Mookie traded, exactly?

[dgalehouse]

It's not just the press. There's also:

 

-The idiot segment of fans at the park.

-Bloggers, and fans on social media.

 

Not to mention, Looney birds on TalkSox.

[notin]

Not to mention, Looney birds on TalkSox.

 

I'd be very surprised if any remotely connected with the Red Sox organization goes to this one little Red Sox forum...

[mvp 78]

Not to mention, Looney birds on TalkSox.

 

Apologies to Pedey if he reads TalkSox!

[mvp 78]

I'd be very surprised if any remotely connected with the Red Sox organization goes to this one little Red Sox forum...

 

Small but mighty!

[dgalehouse]

Don't underestimate the influence of TalkSox.

[notin]

Don't underestimate the influence of TalkSox.

 

Oh I don't think I am

[jad]

Dodgers fans show up in the 2nd inning and are gone in the 7th. Now maybe if they just sang a stupid song every 8th inning to keep people around.......

 

Worse than that! Dodger Stadium is the only park I know where fans coming in pass those leaving. This occurs pretty regularly in the fifth inning. (Anyone who has tried to get in or out of the extraordinarily badly designed parking lots knows why! i'm told they've improved. But one can now get there pretty easily now without having to drive.)

[Northern Star]

To paraphrase from Major League, who gives a s***? He's gone.

[mvp 78]

Worse than that! Dodger Stadium is the only park I know where fans coming in pass those leaving. This occurs pretty regularly in the fifth inning. (Anyone who has tried to get in or out of the extraordinarily badly designed parking lots knows why! i'm told they've improved. But one can now get there pretty easily now without having to drive.)

 

Haven’t been since I left LA 10 years ago. Beautiful stadium, horrible to get to. Just the worst possible place to put a park.

[jad]

Haven’t been since I left LA 10 years ago. Beautiful stadium, horrible to get to. Just the worst possible place to put a park.

 

You can now take the train from most areas in LA to Union Station and either take a bus (I think a Dodger express) or just walk. You're absolutely right about how it was 10 years ago. Any enjoyment you could get out of the game was destroyed by the stress of getting there, parking, and then getting out (as everyone who drove there seemed to transform from an LA driver to a Boston driver in the two hours they spent in the park).

[Kimmi]

Mookie is dead to me. Thank you for your contributions with the Red Sox, but his "all about the money" attitude has really turned me off to him. Good for him that he got his money and that he's happy playing in LA. I'm tired of hearing about him and how the Red Sox should have kept him. It's only going to get worse if the Dodgers win.

 

He's becoming Johnny Damon 2.0.

[harmony]

Haven’t been since I left LA 10 years ago. Beautiful stadium, horrible to get to. Just the worst possible place to put a park.

For five years I lived four miles away from Dodger Stadium and drove the side streets to arrive at the less-traveled Scott Avenue entrance.

 

I once walked the four miles to and from my home to a Sunday afternoon game at Dodger Stadium.

[jad]

For five years I lived four miles away from Dodger Stadium and drove the side streets to arrive at the less-traveled Scott Avenue entrance.

 

I once walked the four miles to and from my home to a Sunday afternoon game at Dodger Stadium.

 

There was (at times) a lot in dead center field, and if you got there early, you could park right next to the entrance facing out and beat the 20,000 suddenly-East-Coast-style drivers trying to leave at the same time. Is that the one? But damn! what a drag going to a game when half your mental energy is expended on just getting there. Of course, I can't say that Fenway Park is much different. I've only been once in the last thirty years and it was an ordeal (not even counting the 5 hour rain delay!)

[harmony]

There was (at times) a lot in dead center field, and if you got there early, you could park right next to the entrance facing out and beat the 20,000 suddenly-East-Coast-style drivers trying to leave at the same time. Is that the one? But damn! what a drag going to a game when half your mental energy is expended on just getting there. Of course, I can't say that Fenway Park is much different. I've only been once in the last thirty years and it was an ordeal (not even counting the 5 hour rain delay!)

Gate B was almost due west of home plate:

 

http://mktg.mlbstatic.com/dodgers/documents/LAD-2020-parking_map.pdf

 

I would take the side streets over from Los Feliz.

 

Since moving away from Los Angeles 26 years ago I've been to only one game at Dodger Stadium. I drove up from San Diego in horrific traffic for the 2009 home opener against the San Francisco Giants. We were nearly late for the 1:16 pm start:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200904130.shtml

 

My niece and her friends arrived in the fifth inning in true SoCal fashion.

 

For the my friends and me, the game marked four MLB stadiums in three days starting with the Angels hosting the Red Sox.

[dgalehouse]

Gate B was almost due west of home plate:

 

http://mktg.mlbstatic.com/dodgers/documents/LAD-2020-parking_map.pdf

 

I would take the side streets over from Los Feliz.

 

Since moving away from Los Angeles 26 years ago I've been to only one game at Dodger Stadium. I drove up from San Diego in horrific traffic for the 2009 home opener against the San Francisco Giants. We were nearly late for the 1:16 pm start:

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/LAN/LAN200904130.shtml

 

My niece and her friends arrived in the fifth inning in true SoCal fashion.

 

For the my friends and me, the game marked four MLB stadiums in three days starting with the Angels hosting the Red Sox.

Harm , I have to say that your memory is remarkable.

[harmony]

Harm , I have to say that your memory is remarkable.

My long-term memory is remarkable but at age 65 I can't remember speaking with a client last week.

 

The 2009 adventure started with our Trail Blazers beating the Los Angeles Lakers in Portland on Friday evening. We caught an early Saturday morning flight to Long Beach before working out and showering at the 24 Hour Fitness across the street from Angel Stadium. Barely two days after the traffic death of Halo pitcher Nick Adenhart, the Red Sox toppled the Angels in an afternoon game. We then drove down to San Diego to watch the Giants overcome the Padres that evening. After overnighting at my wife's childhood home we attended a 7 am Easter Mass. One friend and I then flew over to Phoenix to watch the Dodgers beat the Diamondbacks and following the afternoon game to hang out at Alice Cooperstown sports bar. We flew back to San Diego that evening and Monday morning drove to Dodger Stadium, stopping along the way at an Orange County convent to pick up my friend's sister the sister. After the Dodger home opener we spent the night at the convent before flying home the following morning.

 

But I still can't remember what meeting I attended remotely just this morning.

[moonslav59]

Gordon Edes...

 

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-10-23/world-series-mookie-betts-red-sox-trade-fallout?fbclid=IwAR0wnnPC1wTu6AEUhViQ0zVtLbSsVKKrK-2f27Y6f1c0Fhl44XUNNPgBCDY

[harmony]

Gordon Edes...

 

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-10-23/world-series-mookie-betts-red-sox-trade-fallout?fbclid=IwAR0wnnPC1wTu6AEUhViQ0zVtLbSsVKKrK-2f27Y6f1c0Fhl44XUNNPgBCDY

Mookie Betts, unlike Babe Ruth, was awaiting free agency where he could decide where to play.

 

Perhaps Mookie Betts did not want to play in Boston.

 

Or perhaps he did.

[Bellhorn04]

Gordon Edes...

 

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2020-10-23/world-series-mookie-betts-red-sox-trade-fallout?fbclid=IwAR0wnnPC1wTu6AEUhViQ0zVtLbSsVKKrK-2f27Y6f1c0Fhl44XUNNPgBCDY

 

These writers are so far over the top, it's incredible.

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie Betts, unlike Babe Ruth, was awaiting free agency where he could decide where to play.

 

Perhaps Mookie Betts did not want to play in Boston.

 

Or perhaps he did.

 

Babe Ruth was sent to the Yankees for cash, not even getting any talent back, in the days when the Red Sox could have kept him as long as they wanted.

 

Any parallels drawn with Mookie's situation are mind-bogglingly absurd.

[jad]

Babe Ruth was sent to the Yankees for cash, not even getting any talent back, in the days when the Red Sox could have kept him as long as they wanted.

 

Any parallels drawn with Mookie's situation are mind-bogglingly absurd.

 

Ha ha! Not so sure about that, even though any 'parallel' could be argued to be absurd.

 

But I'll try one: each team had the services of one of the greatest players in the game; in both cases, they determined that money was more important to them than the services of that player.

 

Now maybe they were right, then and now; but that's the decision they made.

[notin]

Ha ha! Not so sure about that, even though any 'parallel' could be argued to be absurd.

 

But I'll try one: each team had the services of one of the greatest players in the game; in both cases, they determined that money was more important to them than the services of that player.

 

Now maybe they were right, then and now; but that's the decision they made.

 

In both cases, the Sox decided to trim payroll. (In Ruth’s case, it was also to raise money.)

[dgalehouse]

In both cases, the Sox decided to trim payroll. (In Ruth’s case, it was also to raise money.)

 

Yeah. But you have to admit that " No No Nannette " was a heckuva good play. Sometimes you just do what you have to do.

[Donnie Sadler was short]

This thread is cooling off...lets spice it up...Lets say the Dodgers win the WS & Mookie is a beast. The media goes overboard with how stupid the red sox were to trade him etc. And...lets say its true that Mookie made it clear he was not to resign here. As the media massacre gets worse & worse...at some point does/should Mookie step up & say I told them I wanted to move on? Or does he sit there & let the Sox take all the $hit? I expect some good retorts on this....dont disappoint me!

[jad]

This thread is cooling off...lets spice it up...Lets say the Dodgers win the WS & Mookie is a beast. The media goes overboard with how stupid the red sox were to trade him etc. And...lets say its true that Mookie made it clear he was not to resign here. As the media massacre gets worse & worse...at some point does/should Mookie step up & say I told them I wanted to move on? Or does he sit there & let the Sox take all the $hit? I expect some good retorts on this....dont disappoint me!

 

Ha ha. You know perfectly well Mookie is not going to anything, particularly something to ease the chaos in Boston. He will simply say I'm with a new team and that's where my focus is. What will be cool, once the pandemic is over (if it ever is), is when LAD comes to Boston. Probably we all agree that we hope that happens in 2021.

 

(By the way, did you note that catch just now by Betts?)

Edited October 25, 2020 by jad

[Larry Cook]

Babe Ruth was sent to the Yankees for cash, not even getting any talent back, in the days when the Red Sox could have kept him as long as they wanted.

 

Any parallels drawn with Mookie's situation are mind-bogglingly absurd.

 

Ruth, along with almost 2/3rds of the great red six teams of the late 1910’s, were sold to New York so the Red Sox owner could finance a financially rewarding Broadway play.

 

There is no parallel between then and now,

 

But there could be on one very important scale if hang’em Chaim can not win in the years to come!

[redsoxrules]

We still on this? Time to move on. For all we know Betts had zero interest to be here. Based on his media interviews it sure seemed like it.

[Bellhorn04]

Ha ha! Not so sure about that, even though any 'parallel' could be argued to be absurd.

 

But I'll try one: each team had the services of one of the greatest players in the game; in both cases, they determined that money was more important to them than the services of that player.

 

Now maybe they were right, then and now; but that's the decision they made.

 

In this case the player made decisions too,

 

He turned down hundreds of millions of dollars from the Red Sox on more than one occasion.

 

But who wants to bother with such little niceties as that?

[Bellhorn04]

In both cases, the Sox decided to trim payroll. (In Ruth’s case, it was also to raise money.)

 

Sure, and the guy who lost $100 at the track and the guy who lost $10 million to Bernie Madoff both lost money. Parallel cases!

[jacksonianmarch]

What nobody seems to want to face is the state of the Sox at the time of said extension. The Sox sucked this year. They sucked last year. They’re probably gonna suck next year too. Mookie turning down the extension is going to be a blessing in disguise for the Sox. Your biggest bang for your buck on massive contracts usually comes up front. What’s the point of spending $35 mil a year if the first couple years, the team won’t be good. You make that deal if you’re on the cusp. You don’t make that deal if your team is a collection of s***