Rosenthal speculating about Bogaerts being traded

[Bellhorn04]

Rosenthal is speculating that Bogaerts could be traded because of a little twist in his contract - there is a no-trade clause that kicks in on Sept. 6 (no idea why that date).

[jacksonianmarch]

I’m reviewing his contract and yes, it was team friendly, but no, it’s not a full 6 year $120 mil contract. Bogey gets a NTC this year AND has an opt out after 2022 when he will be 29 years old. Clearly, with his level of play, that opt out is a near certainty unless he gets injured. So with only 2 more years of control remaining and the Sox in a spiral, I think Bogey is less a foundation piece and far more likely to be a trade piece. Rosenthal may be right. If you’re rebuilding, you cannot have one of your most marketable and valuable trade chips choosing his destination

[oldtimer]

I’m reviewing his contract and yes, it was team friendly, but no, it’s not a full 6 year $120 mil contract. Bogey gets a NTC this year AND has an opt out after 2022 when he will be 29 years old. Clearly, with his level of play, that opt out is a near certainty unless he gets injured. So with only 2 more years of control remaining and the Sox in a spiral, I think Bogey is less a foundation piece and far more likely to be a trade piece. Rosenthal may be right. If you’re rebuilding, you cannot have one of your most marketable and valuable trade chips choosing his destination

 

It's the old story. If you trade your best away, who do you replace him with?

[notin]

It's the old story. If you trade your best away, who do you replace him with?

 

 

If you overspend, you can’t keep your young core.

 

And with Benintendi out for who knows how long (and struggling mightily anyway), Bogaerts is probably the Sox best trade chip. The only real problem is that it’s one year too early, as next season Lindor, Seager, Story, and Correa all reach free agency and a whole slew of teams might be interested in Bogaerts.

 

(But on the bright side for Boston, one of them will be available to replace him.)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

It's the old story. If you trade your best away, who do you replace him with?

 

As I have speculated, trading X for a good, young starting pitcher and then signing Francisco Lindor in another year is a big upgrade. As others note, there may also be other star shortstops on the free agent market in a year or two when the Sox struggle up from the mat: Correa, Story, Baez...

 

Lindor is the prize, though, as Mr. Smiles would become the instant, new, face of the franchise -- one that will be desperate for a positive PR splash -- a Mookie replacement requiring Mookie money, albeit at a more premium position. He may be a notch below Betts in production, but also a notch above Bogie on defense.

 

Problem is, Lindor is also exactly what the Yankees need, as they're just not as good on D with Torres (who can move to 2nd or 3rd) instead of Didi.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yanks won 5 titles with an offense first, negative D SS, so I disagree there. The Yanks aren’t going to be in on Lindor. The Yanks will spend to improve their rotation and keep their core.

[notin]

As I have speculated, trading X for a good, young starting pitcher and then signing Francisco Lindor in another year is a big upgrade. As others note, there may also be other star shortstops on the free agent market in a year or two when the Sox struggle up from the mat: Correa, Story, Baez...

 

Lindor is the prize, though, as Mr. Smiles would become the instant, new, face of the franchise -- one that will be desperate for a positive PR splash -- a Mookie replacement requiring Mookie money, albeit at a more premium position. He may be a notch below Betts in production, but also a notch above Bogie on defense.

 

Problem is, Lindor is also exactly what the Yankees need, as they're just not as good on D with Torres (who can move to 2nd or 3rd) instead of Didi.

 

Lindor would be great, but expect the competition to be fierce. The Dodgers will have an opening at SS, and the Yankees might as well. The Astros might move Correa before next year and go with Toro/Bregman on the left side, so whoever takes Correa will have an opening at SS. Luckily there will be plenty of other options.

 

Don't overlook the vastly underrated Andrelton Simmons, who hits the market this offseason as well.

 

To me the big question is, wht teams will be interested in Bogaerts?

 

The Reds would be an obvious choice, as their window closes significantly after 2020 and they have Freddy Glavis at SS. But they're also 9-11 and 5 games out, so they might not be so "all in." The Cubs are another option, as their window slams shut after 2021 so they need to be all in. But their only decent SP prospect is in A ball. (The Reds have MLB-ready Hunter Greene, who is the one "must get" in any deal with them.)

[jacksonianmarch]

Hunter Greene is not MLB ready. He had TJS in his first full MiLB season

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

The Yanks won 5 titles with an offense first, negative D SS, so I disagree there. The Yanks aren’t going to be in on Lindor. The Yanks will spend to improve their rotation and keep their core.

 

You may be the first Yankee fan to ever admit a rational assessment of Jeter's "Gold Glove" D...

 

But how can they not be in on Lindor? Can't you just see his 10-story smile in bright lights in Times Square. Rosenthal -- he of the troublesome typing fingers -- is already stirring it up: "I were running the Yankees, I’d think twice about signing the oft-injured Aaron Judge to a monster extension. Instead, I’d consider taking that money and going hard after Francisco Lindor when he becomes a free agent after the 2021 season."

[notin]

Hunter Greene is not MLB ready. He had TJS in his first full MiLB season

 

My bad. I was thinking of Hunter Harvey.

 

Cincy is still an obvious destination. My only gripe is their 3 best prospects (Lodolo, India, and Greene) that they might deal (and I don't think Bogaerts gets you all three) are all A ball players.

[notin]

The Yanks won 5 titles with an offense first, negative D SS, so I disagree there. The Yanks aren’t going to be in on Lindor. The Yanks will spend to improve their rotation and keep their core.

 

While I reuse to write the Yankees out of the Lindor sweepstakes, I could see them simply keeping Torres at shortstop and focusing on other priorities...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I can also see a scenario where the Sox miss out on Lindor but settle on Correa, who is convinced to sign in Boston by his new manager, Alex Cora. Seriously, even though this is a Bogie thread, I also can't really envision the Sox not asking Cora back -- if only for the sake of Devers. I think that is almost as likely as trading Devers, if Cora is not coming back.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

My bad. I was thinking of Hunter Harvey.

 

Cincy is still an obvious destination. My only gripe is their 3 best prospects (Lodolo, India, and Greene) that they might deal (and I don't think Bogaerts gets you all three) are all A ball players.

 

I like your demands. Bogaerts is a three-time Silver Slugger and the shortstop on last year's All-MLB team. Chris Archer was a big league pitcher with a 54-68 career record when Bloom sent him to Pittsburgh for three bonafide prospects...

[notin]

I like your demands. Bogaerts is a three-time Silver Slugger and the shortstop on last year's All-MLB team. Chris Archer was a big league pitcher with a 54-68 career record when Bloom sent him to Pittsburgh for three bonafide prospects...

 

Well, Glasnow was looking like a reclamation prospect, and Archer was clearly declining, but he was also paid like a lesser starter anyway.

 

I'm hoping if the Sox can get players above A ball for Bogaerts. I can see the Cubs and Reds both having interest, but their systems above A ball are not ideal for the Sox. I would love a Meadows/Glasnow/Baz style package that has two players who can step in today. Not sure who the trading partner is there, however. (But then it's not my job to know that.)

[dannycater]

If Xander is on the trade block, then Bloom is here to gut the team completely.

[Bellhorn04]

If Xander is on the trade block, then Bloom is here to gut the team completely.

 

Seriously.

[jacksonianmarch]

John Henry has learned that there’s no sentimentality when it comes to building winners. The Sox won 4 titles with 4 vastly different teams.

[notin]

John Henry has learned that there’s no sentimentality when it comes to building winners. The Sox won 4 titles with 4 vastly different teams.

 

And rebuilt them quickly

 

Last place in 2012. WS Champs in 2013. Last place in 2014 and 2015. Then AL East titles in 2016 and 2017 followed by a WS title in 2018.

 

2019 was the first year since 2011 the Sox did not finish in either first or last in the AL East...

[harmony]

If you overspend, you can’t keep your young core.

 

And with Benintendi out for who knows how long (and struggling mightily anyway), Bogaerts is probably the Sox best trade chip. The only real problem is that it’s one year too early, as next season Lindor, Seager, Story, and Correa all reach free agency and a whole slew of teams might be interested in Bogaerts.

 

(But on the bright side for Boston, one of them will be available to replace him.)

Oakland shortstop Marcus Semiem, who last year ranked fifth among all players with 7.6 fWAR, is a free agent after this season:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=

[notin]

Oakland shortstop Marcus Semiem, who last year ranked fifth among all players with 7.6 fWAR, is a free agent after this season:

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2019&month=0&season1=2019&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=

 

That only creates one vacancy, and on a team that doesn’t spend.

[a700hitter]

Rosenthal is a dickwad who is never right about anything. Bogaerts is a guy who you build around. You don’t dump him while he is under a long term deal.

[notin]

Rosenthal is a dickwad who is never right about anything. Bogaerts is a guy who you build around. You don’t dump him while he is under a long term deal.

 

Well, if the Sox think Bogaerts will opt put after 2022, it's not such a long deal. And if they want to deal him, best to do it before the NTC kicks in...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Rosenthal is a dickwad who is never right about anything. Bogaerts is a guy who you build around. You don’t dump him while he is under a long term deal.

 

He's also the guy who wrote the big expose on the Astros' "scandal", implicated the Red Sox, but despite players' quotes from all over the league, somehow never wrote a follow-up on the Yankees' role...

[Behindenemylines]

If Xander is on the trade block, then Bloom is here to gut the team completely.

 

I agree. If X is moved then the Sox are blowing this team up. I would only move him if some team knock your socks off with an offer that couldn’t be refused.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The Yankees don't have the money for Lindor, not with Stanton's contract (which is like a ball and chain around the Yankees neck) and Cole's contract weighing them down. Moreover, the Yankees will need to spend a fortune in the offseason to keep their pitching staff intact with Tanaka and Paxton becoming free agents. And guys like Judge, Sanchez, and Torres will soon be making much more than they are now.

 

The Yankees would obviously like to dump Stanton's contract, but they can't--he has a no trade and no one wants him at this point anyway. Big Cashman mistake.

 

I wonder if the Red Sox and Guardians talked about some kind of Bogaerts for Lindor swap? There is a good chance that the Guardians trade Lindor in the offseason--they can't afford him, but they can probably take on Bogaerts' contract, who is a downgrade but would keep the Guardians competitive. The problem: the deal doesn't make sense for the Red Sox unless they work out an extension for Lindor in advance.

Edited August 22, 2020 by Fan_since_Boggs

[Fan_since_Boggs]

Give thanks to Brian Cashman:

 

Stanton is owed $214 million by the Yankees through the 2028 season. That's assuming the club declines an option and triggers a $10 million buyout of his final contract year.

 

An additional $30 million guaranteed is covered by the Marlins, as long as Stanton does not opt out – as is his contractual right – after the 2020 season.

 

Yeah, that’s not likely to happen.

 

As with Ellsbury’s deal, Stanton has full no-trade protection, making him virtually unmovable.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/mlb/yankees/2019/11/21/giancarlo-stanton-contract-haunts-new-york-yankees/4257008002/

[Kimmi]

We have one of the best shortstops in the game at a very reasonable price. Unless we are blown away with an offer for Bogaerts, it makes little sense to trade him.

[oldtimer]

We have one of the best shortstops in the game at a very reasonable price. Unless we are blown away with an offer for Bogaerts, it makes little sense to trade him.

 

There are almost no offers that would be good enough. I think we should keep him and not entertain any offers.

[jacksonianmarch]

Stanton is definitely looking like a bust at this point, although with 7 years on the docket, it might be a bit premature. 150 games in 18, oft injured in 19 and now down with a soft tissue injury in a rapid reboot of the 2020 campaign. So long as nobody gets a 2021 season injury this year, it should be viewed as a clean slate. The degree of injuries this year have been massive and due to the short season, most are of the season ending variety.

 

Now in terms of the Yanks expenditures for 2021, I disagree on the pitching staff. Tanaka will almost assuredly be had for less than his current salary and I’d be shocked if he’s gone to a different club. Paxton is a goner. Happ is a goner. That leaves a rotation of Cole, Tanaka, Montgomery with Severino heading in as a reinforcement for the late second half. My bet is one of the kids steps up for 2021 and the Yanks sign a veteran on the cheap to fill a hole til Severino is ready. They’ll need to extend some pen arms and keep the checks and balances clear for re-signing Lemahieu, Sanchez, Judge, and Torres

Edited August 22, 2020 by jacksonianmarch

[Kimmi]

There are almost no offers that would be good enough. I think we should keep him and not entertain any offers.

 

Agreed Oldtimer. If we traded him, then signed someone like Lindor to one of those monster contracts, I would not be happy.