A Realistic View at 2021: Part I

[Bellhorn04]

So he turns us down as GM only to come back as part-owner?

 

Moneyball, indeed.

[harmony]

I apologize for getting so testy about the 'under water' thing.

My apologies as well. You remain a respected poster.

[mvp 78]

Billy Beane & the Sox?

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-10-10/beane-s-play-for-red-sox-could-signal-the-end-of-moneyball-era?utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_content=business&cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR0esGuChb0gs7uaW5_Uw2Rler3lqoFHepoH7xIENt8hNsVQrzGuq8_YiG0&fbclid=IwAR0hlg1XMWWgm0GSpuyDgQh5JuDmSQNacD7P2VsIIDVI8Qh-kKs8wKX5QwI

 

“He wouldn’t be a passive investor,” said Wharton School Professor of Management Maurice Schweitzer. “It doesn’t make sense for a level playing field to be a part owner of two franchises. It wouldn’t be a good look and it’d set a terrible precedent.”

 

I agree. It probably makes more sense to sell of his stake in the A's. They don't have a great tv deal and are stuck in Oakland due to the Giants owning a considerable portion of the NoCal market. Sox are more profitable. They have their own carve out in New England. Also, the "Fenway Sports Group" is much more than just the Red Sox.

[mvp 78]

One thing I wonder about is what rights teams have to conduct medical exams on their players. It seems like the Red Sox should be entitled to give Nathan's arm a serious exam every offseason, but I don't know if they can.

 

I went through the Health & Safety portion of the CBA and there is nothing that prohibits a team from examining their players. If Eovaldi is getting treatment for a work related injury from a non-affiliated doctor, the treatment must be disclosed to the Sox. There is language about an "annual physical exam" of all players in Spring Training.

 

As for signing a player, a failed physical exam seems to void the contract.

 

My favorite language I found was this:

 

Loyalty

3.(a) The Player agrees to perform his services hereunder diligently

and faithfully, to keep himself in first-class physical condition and to

obey the Club’s training rules, and pledges himself to the American

public and to the Club to conform to high standards of personal conduct, fair play and good sportsmanship.

 

If that's the case, why wasn't Pablo's contract voided? Did his health just not go far enough over the line? Maybe it's just language that really isn't enforceable?

[Bellhorn04]

I went through the Health & Safety portion of the CBA and there is nothing that prohibits a team from examining their players. If Eovaldi is getting treatment for a work related injury from a non-affiliated doctor, the treatment must be disclosed to the Sox. There is language about an "annual physical exam" of all players in Spring Training.

 

As for signing a player, a failed physical exam seems to void the contract.

 

My favorite language I found was this:

 

Loyalty

3.(a) The Player agrees to perform his services hereunder diligently

and faithfully, to keep himself in first-class physical condition and to

obey the Club’s training rules, and pledges himself to the American

public and to the Club to conform to high standards of personal conduct, fair play and good sportsmanship.

 

If that's the case, why wasn't Pablo's contract voided? Did his health just not go far enough over the line? Maybe it's just language that really isn't enforceable?

 

Maybe there's some fine print about pre-existing fatso condition...

[mvp 78]

Maybe there's some fine print about pre-existing fatso condition...

 

Probably covered under Amendment JJ - Big Is Beautiful and Busted Belt Buckles

[notin]

Maybe there's some fine print about pre-existing fatso condition...

 

There are plenty of precedents like Rick Reuschel, LaMar Hoyt, John Kruk, Cecil Fielder, Jon Broxton, etc. that you need to get around first...

[mvp 78]

There are plenty of precedents like Rick Reuschel, LaMar Hoyt, John Kruk, Cecil Fielder, Jon Broxton, etc. that you need to get around first...

 

Don't leg Greg Luzinski off the hook here...

[Bellhorn04]

Josh Beckett showed up to camp in 2008 with a spare tire, IIRC

[mvp 78]

Josh Beckett showed up to camp in 2008 with a spare tire, IIRC

 

That was just water weight.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

to keep himself in first-class physical condition

 

Maybe it was a misprint or Pablo just misread it as worst-ass physical condition.

[mvp 78]

Maybe it was a misprint or Pablo just misread it as worst-ass physical condition.

 

"Well, they feed me milk and cookies when I fly first class, so those must be allowed!"

[moonslav59]

"Well, they feed me milk and cookies when I fly first class, so those must be allowed!"

 

LOL

 

Remember the spring where they had photos of the "trimmer Pablito?"

[mvp 78]

LOL

 

Remember the spring where they had photos of the "trimmer Pablito?"

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/59vh4s/pablo_sandoval_looks_to_have_trimmed_down/

 

2017

 

He was DFA'd with 48M left to be paid on his contract (2nd most in history).

[moonslav59]

https://www.reddit.com/r/baseball/comments/59vh4s/pablo_sandoval_looks_to_have_trimmed_down/

 

2017

 

He was DFA'd with 48M left to be paid on his contract (2nd most in history).

 

He must have been sucking in that gut to the max.

[notin]

Don't leg Greg Luzinski off the hook here...

 

I left off a few precedents, most notably Jumbo Diaz and CC Sabathia...

[notin]

That was just water weight.

 

Legally, it was considered a lake...

[harmony]

The Red Sox will have the No. 4 pick in next year's draft:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/10/__trashed-21.html

[moonslav59]

The Red Sox will have the No. 4 pick in next year's draft:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/10/__trashed-21.html

 

The highest pick since the 60's.

 

Yes. It's a cliff.

 

[mvp 78]

The Red Sox will have the No. 4 pick in next year's draft:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/10/__trashed-21.html

 

Glad they didn’t mess with the order.

[moonslav59]

The draft started in 1965. Here are the Sox highest picks of all time:

 

3. Mike Garman 1967

4. Ken Brett 1966

4. ________ 2021

5. Billy Conigliaro 1965

7. Trot Nixon 1993

7. Andrew Benintendi 2015

7. Trey Ball 2013

12.Nomar Garciaparra 1994

12. Jason Groome 2016

12. Tom Fischer 1988

12. Jeffrey Everett 1998

 

[Fan_since_Boggs]

The Red Sox will have the No. 4 pick in next year's draft:

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/10/__trashed-21.html

 

SWEET. The two top pitchers go 1 and 2 -- I envision a top position player/bat at 4.

[moonslav59]

SWEET. The two top pitchers go 1 and 2 -- I envision a top position player/bat at 4.

 

We do better drafting bats and signing or trading for aces.

[moonslav59]

We have to start doing better with IFA signings, too.

 

Our bonus pool will be the largest in years.

[mvp 78]

SWEET. The two top pitchers go 1 and 2 -- I envision a top position player/bat at 4.

 

We’re also going on rankings based on 2019 scouting. These rankings will drastically change after next spring.

[mvp 78]

We’re also going on rankings based on 2019 scouting. These rankings will drastically change after next spring.

 

For example, Leiter has thrown only 15.2 innings in college.

[Bellhorn04]

The highest pick since the 60's.

 

Yes. It's a cliff.

 

 

Does this make it official?

[notin]

We’re also going on rankings based on 2019 scouting. These rankings will drastically change after next spring.

 

As of right now, Baseball Prospectus has the Sox taking LSU RHP Jaden Hill.

 

http://baseballprospectjournal.com/2021-mlb-draft-mock-draft-top-10-picks/

[moonslav59]

Does this make it official?

 

It was official before this, but 1967! That drives the point home.

[notin]

As of right now, Baseball Prospectus has the Sox taking LSU RHP Jaden Hill.

 

http://baseballprospectjournal.com/2021-mlb-draft-mock-draft-top-10-picks/

 

Looking around, prospectinsider.com has the Sox taking OF Jud Fabian (U Florida). They have previous pick Hill going 19th. This is also the latest anyone has Fabian going.

 

https://prospectinsider.com/2021-mlb-draft-order-top-prospects-rocker-leiter/

 

 

 

Bleacher Report has UCLA SS Matt McClain going 4th, but they do not impose a team order over their rankings.

 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895880-2021-mlb-mock-draft-early-predictions-for-top-1st-round-baseball-prospects

 

 

 

Prospectslive.com has the Sox taking Jack Leiter (RHP Vanderbilt)

 

https://www.prospectslive.com/mlb-draft/2020/9/26/2021-mlb-mock

 

 

 

Prospects365.com has the Sox taking Jack Leiter, but they have the Sox picking 3rd. They have Miami Hurricane C Adrian Del Castillo going 4th

 

https://prospects365.com/2020/09/04/mason-mcraes-2021-mlb-mock-draft-2-0/