A Realistic View at 2021: Part I

[mvp 78]

Who is the next guy to be traded?

 

Perez?

Vaz?

Pillar?

Eovaldi?

Moreland?

JBJ (with cash)?

Bogay, Beni or JD?

 

 

 

The trade deadline is coming up quick, but I only see Pillar, Perez, Barnes or JD getting moved. None of those guys would be part of a blockbuster deal either.

[Kimmi]

The good news is, it does appear that baseball will make it to the trade deadline date.

 

It did not look so good early on.

[notin]

The trade deadline is coming up quick, but I only see Pillar, Perez, Barnes or JD getting moved. None of those guys would be part of a blockbuster deal either.

 

I doubt they can pull off that many trades.

 

Barnes is the most likely, since anyone hoping to contend can use bullpen help. After that, maybe one of the other 3 gets moved...

[Nick]

Maybe Pedey comes back next year...

 

not.

 

 

Being athletic does not make you a good baseball player. But if you are small and unathletic, Pedroia and Beni comes to mind, be careful with long term contracts.

 

Their early years maybe their peak years. Their body wears down pretty quickly.

[mvp 78]

I doubt they can pull off that many trades.

 

Barnes is the most likely, since anyone hoping to contend can use bullpen help. After that, maybe one of the other 3 gets moved...

 

That's why I said "or." I doubt they get more than 1 or 2 trades in. Most likely it'll either be 0 or 1.

[mvp 78]

Being athletic does not make you a good baseball player. But if you are small and unathletic, Pedroia and Beni comes to mind, be careful with long term contracts.

 

Their early years maybe their peak years. Their body wears down pretty quickly.

 

Pedroia was athletic. The problem was that his "dirt dog" nature made him take unnecessary risks which would likely reduce the amount of games he'd play over the life of his career. However, that's not the reason his career ended. He didn't get taken out by a dirty slide because he's a dirt dog.

[notin]

That's why I said "or." I doubt they get more than 1 or 2 trades in. Most likely it'll either be 0 or 1.

 

I can see that. I still think Barnes is the most likely to move, and the Astros, Padres, and Cubs top my guess list of destinations.

 

I am entering full blown prediction mode here...

[mvp 78]

I can see that. I still think Barnes is the most likely to move, and the Astros, Padres, and Cubs top my guess list of destinations.

 

I am entering full blown prediction mode here...

 

If only he didn't suck balls this year.

[notin]

If only he didn't suck balls this year.

 

He still throws 95 mph. It just takes on pitching coach who thinks he can fix him and is ignorant of the fact that he hasn't been able to fix all the problem pitchers in his s***** bullpen that are creating the need for Barnes in the first place.

 

While that sounds really specific, it's probably a lot more common than we realize...

[mvp 78]

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He still throws 95 mph. It just takes on pitching coach who thinks he can fix him and is ignorant of the fact that he hasn't been able to fix all the problem pitchers in his s***** bullpen that are creating the need for Barnes in the first place.

 

While that sounds really specific, it's probably a lot more common than we realize...

 

Someone that desperately needs to work with a pitching coach isn't the type of guy that is coveted at the trade deadline.

[notin]

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Someone that desperately needs to work with a pitching coach isn't the type of guy that is coveted at the trade deadline.

 

It only takes one team.

 

And Barnes has a good enough track record. I don't think his 11 IP this year have killed his value completely...

[mvp 78]

It only takes one team.

 

And Barnes has a good enough track record. I don't think his 11 IP this year have killed his value completely...

 

Has it reduced his trade value in any capacity?

[notin]

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Someone that desperately needs to work with a pitching coach isn't the type of guy that is coveted at the trade deadline.

 

Looking at his game log, Barnes has given up 9 ER in 11 games. But 8 of them came in three outings, with 6 of those 8 coming against the Yankees. Not ideal, but I think other teams might value him differently than we do on this board. Especially since the number of sellers is probably going to be small with this expanded playoff format...

[notin]

Has it reduced his trade value in any capacity?

 

Not sure how anyone will value him. His K/9 are down and his BB/9 are up, which is probably a bigger factor. His trade value is probably about the same as Workman's, since he has the extra year of control. (Baseballtradevalues.com gives Barnes a surplus trade value of $3.2mill while Workman was worth $2.3mill.)

[mvp 78]

Duran has 4 Hr's down in PAW. Seems like he may have a realistic shot of making the opening day roster next year.

[mvp 78]

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/08/boston-red-sox-prospect-jarren-duran-belts-fourth-homer-at-alternate-site-going-to-opposite-field-on-first-pitch-vs-dylan-covey.html

 

Red Sox center field prospect Jarren Duran has showed power during simulated games at Boston’s alternate training site, Triple-A Pawtucket.

 

The 23-year-old Duran belted his fourth home run on Thursday. The left-handed hitter went opposite field on the first pitch of the game thrown by right-handed pitcher Dylan Covey who has pitched 6 ⅓ innings for Boston this year.

 

“He has been really exciting to watch really since spring training,” chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom said Wednesday. “You guys saw him in camp. That’s continued over to the alternate site. He’s made some great adjustments with his swing. He’s spent a lot of time working on his body from a physical standpoint. And that’s looked great.”

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2020/08/boston-red-sox-wont-rush-jarren-duran-to-majors-hes-made-some-great-adjustments-with-his-swing-hes-spent-a-lot-of-time-working-on-his-body.html

 

If the Red Sox sell at the Aug. 31 trade deadline as expected, that doesn’t mean they’ll then promote all their top young prospects to evaluate them in the big leagues before the 2021 season.

 

Chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom insisted he won’t rush anyone, including center field prospect Jarren Duran, to the big leagues.

 

Duran, a 23-year-old speedster, is a top internal candidate to take over longterm for Jackie Bradley Jr. who is eligible for free agency this coming offseason. Kevin Pillar also is a pending free agent.

 

“We have to remember that even though this is a very different season, it’s a very different development environment, that we still need to make sure we are looking as honestly as we can at where guys are in their development and what is going to benefit them,” Bloom said Wednesday during a Zoom conference call. “My experience has been that sometimes the worst thing you can do — especially if you’re doing it because you’re unsatisfied with the on-field product at the big league level or you want to get a jolt — sometimes the worst thing you can do is to take shortcuts in a player’s development. That can lead to short-term results that are not what you want and it can also lead to some longterm difficulties. So I don’t want to single out any one player by saying that. Except to say with all the players over there and really with everybody in our organization, it’s something we need to keep in mind.”

[moonslav59]

It would be great for Duran to make an impact.

 

I've not been that high on him, but I'm no expert on prospects.

 

I'm counting on a few to fill in some roles and bench positions. Anything else will be a bonus, IMO.

 

I am counting on more from our farm by 2022 and beyond. Who those players will be is the question.

[notin]

It would be great for Duran to make an impact.

 

I've not been that high on him, but I'm no expert on prospects.

 

I'm counting on a few to fill in some roles and bench positions. Anything else will be a bonus, IMO.

 

I am counting on more from our farm by 2022 and beyond. Who those players will be is the question.

 

If he can play good D, he's a welcome addition. He can always bat ninth...

[oldtimer]

It would be great for Duran to make an impact.

 

I've not been that high on him, but I'm no expert on prospects.

 

I'm counting on a few to fill in some roles and bench positions. Anything else will be a bonus, IMO.

 

I am counting on more from our farm by 2022 and beyond. Who those players will be is the question.

They may be looking to move Beni based on his form in the second half last year and his start this year. Kind of a poor time to talk of this as his value is low right now. It looks like Verdugo is our only sure outfielder for next season so whether Duran or another, we will need to sort the outfield out for 2021.

[Thunder]

They may be looking to move Beni based on his form in the second half last year and his start this year. Kind of a poor time to talk of this as his value is low right now. It looks like Verdugo is our only sure outfielder for next season so whether Duran or another, we will need to sort the outfield out for 2021.

 

At the start of the season, I would have called you crazy, but I agree with you now. I love Beni, but either s*** or get off the pot

[moonslav59]

At the start of the season, I would have called you crazy, but I agree with you now. I love Beni, but either s*** or get off the pot

 

Nobody ever wants to trade players when they have a lot of promise or are coming off a great year.

 

Then, when they struggle, people (I'm not talking about you) want to trade them.

 

It's like to opposite of buy low-sell high.

 

It's hard to know much other GMs value Beni. I'd listen to offers, but it might be worth waiting and hoping he gets hot and raises his value.

 

(Note: I do not think a player's values goes up or down much at all based on small sample size slumps or hot streaks.)

[Swiharts Ghost]

Nobody ever wants to trade players when they have a lot of promise or are coming off a great year.

 

Then, when they struggle, people (I'm not talking about you) want to trade them.

 

It's like to opposite of buy low-sell high.

 

It's hard to know much other GMs value Beni. I'd listen to offers, but it might be worth waiting and hoping he gets hot and raises his value.

 

(Note: I do not think a player's values goes up or down much at all based on small sample size slumps or hot streaks.)

 

See I agree but Benny can be replaced with a better player and I’m all for that come December .

[moonslav59]

See I agree but Benny can be replaced with a better player and I’m all for that come December .

 

Even if it means trading him at his all time lowest value?

[oldtimer]

Even if it means trading him at his all time lowest value?

 

[/b] I'd say it's a tough call right now as Beni's hitting failures are not limited to this awful season but also the second half of last season. He is pulling down $6.6 million. If he gets back close to his early form he would be worth that and more. If he has been showing what to expect going forward, he is not worth the money and to improve in the outfield we have to look elsewhere. It would be good to get him back this season and see if he can right the ship. The season is shot anyway and we can afford to be patient with him. It looks like we already need one outfielder with Duran as a possibility. Should we be looking for a second? Pardon the size of the type as my advanced age is catching up with me.

[moonslav59]

[/b] I'd say it's a tough call right now as Beni's hitting failures are not limited to this awful season but also the second half of last season. He is pulling down $6.6 million. If he gets back close to his early form he would be worth that and more. If he has been showing what to expect going forward, he is not worth the money and to improve in the outfield we have to look elsewhere. It would be good to get him back this season and see if he can right the ship. The season is shot anyway and we can afford to be patient with him. It looks like we already need one outfielder with Duran as a possibility. Should we be looking for a second? Pardon the size of the type as my advanced age is catching up with me.

 

I understand the bold font. My eyes are failing me, too.

 

I'm all for trading anyone that can help us in the long run, but I'm just not sure about Beni. His stock is low, right now, and I'm thinking we may get moire for him by waiting. I'd certainly enteratin offers. Maybe some GM sees his value differently or thinks they know how to fix his issues.

[oldtimer]

I understand the bold font. My eyes are failing me, too.

 

I'm all for trading anyone that can help us in the long run, but I'm just not sure about Beni. His stock is low, right now, and I'm thinking we may get moire for him by waiting. I'd certainly enteratin offers. Maybe some GM sees his value differently or thinks they know how to fix his issues.

With all the talk of trade centered around Pillar, JBJ, JDM, Moreland, Beni and Barnes right now, with no one completely out of the question, it will be interesting to see where Bloom decides to acquire talent. Of course we need pitching, which is a tough commodity to come by. I would guess ML ready talent will have to come through the FA route and like Kimmi, I resist the idea of very long term contracts. Still, if others offer big, how does one compete? As far as position players, it looks like we will need outfield help with JBJ and Pillar going soon and Beni up in the air. We also are unsettled at 1st and 2nd base and our catching prospects going forward could be improved. In my view, Bloom should be looking to acquire near ML ready prospects through trade in any or all those areas and use the draft to strengthen the farm for the longer term.

 

For 2021, are Duran, Dalbec and Arauz likely to be in the 26 man roster? If Moreland goes through trade, could Devers move to 1st and Dalbec to 3rd or would that be unwise with Casas in the 2022 mix? If Downs is in the mix for 2022 is Chavis gone or do they try to convert him to a utility OF/IF prospect? Lot of questions and options to consider.

 

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

With all the talk of trade centered around Pillar, JBJ, JDM, Moreland, Beni and Barnes right now, with no one completely out of the question, it will be interesting to see where Bloom decides to acquire talent. Of course we need pitching, which is a tough commodity to come by. I would guess ML ready talent will have to come through the FA route and like Kimmi, I resist the idea of very long term contracts. Still, if others offer big, how does one compete? As far as position players, it looks like we will need outfield help with JBJ and Pillar going soon and Beni up in the air. We also are unsettled at 1st and 2nd base and our catching prospects going forward could be improved. In my view, Bloom should be looking to acquire near ML ready prospects through trade in any or all those areas and use the draft to strengthen the farm for the longer term.

 

For 2021, are Duran, Dalbec and Arauz likely to be in the 26 man roster? If Moreland goes through trade, could Devers move to 1st and Dalbec to 3rd or would that be unwise with Casas in the 2022 mix? If Downs is in the mix for 2022 is Chavis gone or do they try to convert him to a utility OF/IF prospect? Lot of questions and options to consider.

 

 

A main problem for rebuilding clubs going forward is whether minor league play resumes in 2021 (not to mention amateur levels for scouting/drafting). If not, positional shifts and grooming prospects can only be done on practice fields and not in actual games. Hopefully after the trade deadline, a guy like Dalbec will be up soon, so we can see if he's better at third than Devers or strikes out less than Chavis.

 

Duran needs to get a look, too; it's doubtful he turns into Ellsbury (two rings), but would anyone settle on pre-Boston Grady Sizemore (what a strange career, though: four years in a row with MVP votes, then basically done as a regular at age 26).

 

Second base needs a top glove man, as well. Teams with bad pitching can't afford not to turn DP opportunities. The Giants cut Yolmer Sanchez; he's the reigning AL Gold Glove second baseman.

[Kimmi]

I am not giving up on Beni. My call would be not to trade him.

[mvp 78]

I understand the bold font. My eyes are failing me, too.

 

My dad is legally blind (has been since he was a child) and he's either adjusted the settings on his computer or has a program that does it for him that allows him to read normal sites. I'll ask him the next time I talk to him.

[notin]

My dad is legally blind (has been since he was a child) and he's either adjusted the settings on his computer or has a program that does it for him that allows him to read normal sites. I'll ask him the next time I talk to him.

 

My wife is legally blind. She uses a product called ZoomText, which magnifies the monitor image (so you only see a small portion of the monitor image at a time). For me, it's very frustrating when it's on to use the computer, but she is very adept at using it, although it might have taken some time. You can also change other viewing functions beyond magnification, including color, cursor size, and focus.

 

Zoomtext also has functions where you can have the website read to you, and gives you a few options for the voice.

 

https://www.zoomtext.com/