A Realistic View at 2021: Part I

[moonslav59]

We have 3 CFers and no big bat in the OF. I’d rather get Ozuna than another light hitting CFer.

 

Verdugo is better and more needed in RF.

Beni in CF would be a joke.

Renfroe in CF? Why not just put JD there?

Kike?

 

Verdugo is a big bat in the OF.

 

Since 2018:

 

Ozuna: .276/.346/.483/.829 (age 27-29)

 

Verdugo: .295/.348/.464/.812 (age 22-24) -- .827 the last 2 years with a .476 SLG%

 

 

My guess is we go with someone like Pillar or trade for someone like Inciarte, Cain or Kiermaier.

[moonslav59]

Maybe it means JH doesn't care that much about the tax this year.

 

I was wondering that, too.

 

With needs at SP, Closer, RP, CF and 2B, our first two big moves are signing a utility player to $7M a year and someone to platoon in LF, where we already have Beni and maybe Chavis.

 

[notin]

Ohhhhhh ... Hernandez was the third CF. Ok.

 

Honestly Verdugo is the only internal option on the 40 man roster...

[moonslav59]

kike

 

Then we still need a 2Bman.

 

While I do see a role for Kike to play some CF, I doubt we paid him $7M to be our FT CF'er.

 

A lot depends on how well or poorly Arroyo/Chavis/Arauz and maybe even Munoz-assuming we add him back to the 40 man- do at 2B.

[a700hitter]

Then we still need a 2Bman.

 

While I do see a role for Kike to play some CF, I doubt we paid him $7M to be our FT CF'er.

 

A lot depends on how well or poorly Arroyo/Chavis/Arauz and maybe even Munoz-assuming we add him back to the 40 man- do at 2B.

i think CF will be a rotation of Beni, Verdugo and Kike. I think Kike will play about 40% or more of his games in the OF.

[a700hitter]

Who is the 1B going into the season— Dalbec/Chavez?

[moonslav59]

Honestly Verdugo is the only internal option on the 40 man roster...

 

With Fenway's unique and difficult RF, moving Verdugo to CF severely weakens RF defense. We'd be robbing Peter to pay Paul.

 

Renfroe is best in LF, as is Beni, if he's still around by opening day.

 

I doubt we sign JBJ. We may add Pillar or Marisnik, but I'm with you, I think we trade for a very good defensive CF'er who is no slouch at bat.

 

Trade Beni for a CF'er (and maybe a pitcher, too), and our OF would look solid on defense and offense.

 

Kike at 2B and 4th OF'er seems like the best role for him, too. (He can also back up SS as Arroyo or Chavis play 2B.)

 

 

Let's look at a bright scenario: let's say we trade Beni and Bello for Inciarte & Wright, sign Odorizzi, Marisnick and Colome. This could be our 26 man roster when and if everyone is healthy:

 

1.Inciarte CF (2B Kike v LHP .345 OBP)

2. Verdugo RF

3. Bogey SS

4. Devers 3B

5. JD DH

6. Dalbec 1B

7. Renfroe LF

8. Vazquez C

9. Kike 2B (Inciarte v LHP)

 

Bench: Plawecki, Arroyo, Chavis, Marisnick

 

Sale, Odorizzi, Eovaldi, ERod, Wright, Perez

Pivetta (5th starter until ERod & Sale return), Houck (start in AAA?)

Colome, Barnes, Brasier, DHern, Taylor, Andriese, Brice, Whitlock, Valdez (start in AAA)

 

This is actually a decent move towards respectability while allowing for more serious improvements to be made at the deadline or next winter.

 

Edited January 23, 2021 by moonslav59

[Noles_1335]

Glad to see we’ve become the hand me down little brother of the Dodgers..... who’s left for us to snatch up!

[moonslav59]

i think CF will be a rotation of Beni, Verdugo and Kike. I think Kike will play about 40% or more of his games in the OF.

 

It's hard to know, since Beni might be gone, and we don't know who we replace him with and if we add someone else like Marisnick as a 5th OF'er or Pillar as a starting CF'er.

 

I have been talking up using Hernandez in CF more than many think, but if Arroyo and Chavis, who may not even be viewed as a 2B option going forward, stink it up, he may be needed as our FT 2Bman.

 

If we keep Beni, an OF or Beni-Verdugo-Renfroe looks better than playing Arroyo, but all bets are off if and when we trade Beni without knowing his replacement.

[moonslav59]

Glad to see we’ve become the hand me down little brother of the Dodgers..... who’s left for us to snatch up!

 

Verdugo was a crappy hand-me-down, right?

[Bellhorn04]

Who is the 1B going into the season— Dalbec/Chavez?

 

Gotta be Dalbec.

 

Bringing back Moreland for a platoon might be nice.

[notin]

So if Bloom:

 

1. Signs Odorizzi

2. Deals Benintendi for Inciarte and, say, Kyle Wright

 

Is that enough?

 

Inciarte CF

Verdugo RF

Bogaerts SS

Devers 3b

Martinez DH

Dalbec 1b

Renfroe LF

Vazquez C

Hernandez 2b

 

ERod, Odorizzi, Eovaldi, Perez, Pivetta

 

Barnes, Brasier, Hernandez, Taylor, Houck, Andriese, Whitlock, Wright?/Brice?/Valdez?

 

BN: Plawecki,Arroyo, LHH bat (Miller? Moreland?),4th OF?

[Noles_1335]

Verdugo was a crappy hand-me-down, right?

For Mookie.... Yes! That trade should’ve returned at least two players able to start right away and for god sakes a SP should’ve been included!

[a700hitter]

Gotta be Dalbec.

 

Bringing back Moreland for a platoon might be nice.

Vomit emoji please.

[moonslav59]

For Mookie.... Yes! That trade should’ve returned at least two players able to start right away and for god sakes a SP should’ve been included!

 

5 years of Verdugo, 5+ of Downs and 5+ of Wong for 1 year of Betts is about the best we could expect.

 

As I pointed out and hoped for, we could have gotten Verdugo and Maeda for Betts & Price +$- straight up.

 

There's the SP'er we needed- signed at a reasonable cost (16-23: $3M annually & $3.125 on lux tax).

[moonslav59]

So if Bloom:

 

1. Signs Odorizzi

2. Deals Benintendi for Inciarte and, say, Kyle Wright

 

Is that enough?

 

Inciarte CF

Verdugo RF

Bogaerts SS

Devers 3b

Martinez DH

Dalbec 1b

Renfroe LF

Vazquez C

Hernandez 2b

 

ERod, Odorizzi, Eovaldi, Perez, Pivetta

 

Barnes, Brasier, Hernandez, Taylor, Houck, Andriese, Whitlock, Wright?/Brice?/Valdez?

 

BN: Plawecki,Arroyo, LHH bat (Miller? Moreland?),4th OF?

 

Let's say we just get cash and a minor leaguer thrown in with Inciarte, and sign Odorizzi, Colome and maybe Marisnick as a 5th OF'er & late inning defensive replacement in LF.

 

We'd still have a decent team.

[oldtimer]

Let's say we just get cash and a minor leaguer thrown in with Inciarte, and sign Odorizzi, Colome and maybe Marisnick as a 5th OF'er & late inning defensive replacement in LF.

 

We'd still have a decent team.

 

I think we got Richards in a $10 mil one year deal so wouldn't we now be looking for a CF and a closer?

[a700hitter]

Richards signing was such a big deal that it didn’t even merit its own thread.

[moonslav59]

I think we got Richards in a $10 mil one year deal so wouldn't we now be looking for a CF and a closer?

 

Trade Beni for a closer or CF'er and sign a FA to the other open slot.

 

Maybe sign Marisnick as a 5th OF'er/D replacement.

[Kimmi]

Gotta be Dalbec.

 

Bringing back Moreland for a platoon might be nice.

 

Yes, please.

[notin]

Richards signing was such a big deal that it didn’t even merit its own thread.

 

I started one, but it got injured...

[moonslav59]

Yes, please.

 

Instead of a CF'er or RP'er or two?

 

We probably can't do it all, unless we skimp.

[moonslav59]

I started one, but it got injured...

 

Moved it to the IL.

[Nick]

I started one, but it got injured...

 

Hall of Fame consideration worthy.....well done.

[moonslav59]

Looks like the roster is finally taking shape.

 

It's not exactly what I hoped for, but I'm not bummed out, either.

[a700hitter]

At the start of every softball season after age 40 when asked if I was in shape my answer was, "round is a shape". That is how I feel about the shape of the Red Sox Roster right now. It is taking a shape.

[Nick]

Looks like the roster is finally taking shape.

 

It's not exactly what I hoped for, but I'm not bummed out, either.

 

 

Sox has assembled some high ceiling guys in rotation. At the very least they all need to remain healthy to have any shot at reaching their potential.

 

We all know what can happen when things go south health wise.

 

2019 Starting Rotation

 

Sale

Price

E Rod

Eovaldi

Porcello

 

On paper THAT looked great coming off the world championship season.

[Kimmi]

Instead of a CF'er or RP'er or two?

 

We probably can't do it all, unless we skimp.

 

No, not instead of. My top 2 priorities right now are adding another starting pitcher who is less of a health risk than what we have and a defensive oriented CFer. That said, reports are that the Sox are looking for a left handed bench bat, someone to platoon with Dalbec.

[Kimmi]

Looks like the roster is finally taking shape.

 

It's not exactly what I hoped for, but I'm not bummed out, either.

 

I think there are still 1-3 moves coming.

[Kimmi]

Sox has assembled some high ceiling guys in rotation. At the very least they all need to remain healthy to have any shot at reaching their potential.

 

We all know what can happen when things go south health wise.

 

2019 Starting Rotation

 

Sale

Price

E Rod

Eovaldi

Porcello

 

On paper THAT looked great coming off the world championship season.

 

Our rotation could potentially be very good. Obviously, there is a lot of uncertainty surrounding them, but if they can stay healthy, they can be good.

 

It would be nice to add a #3/4 type who doesn't have question marks surrounding his health.