A Realistic View at 2021: Part I

[Bellhorn04]

Trading Beni for pitching prospects strengthens our minors and also reduced our payroll by $6.6Mil per year..

 

Just to clarify, his actual 2021 salary is $6.6Mil, but the tax hit is $5Mil. It was 2 years for $10Mil, his 2020 salary was $3.4Mil.

[kenmeister]

It would be shocking if Bloom does nothing before the season but make minor moves like we've seen so far.

 

I'm thinking that once Kluber signs, all the dominoes start to fall.

[moonslav59]

I'm thinking that once Kluber signs, all the dominoes start to fall.

 

He may not be the very next big signing.

Edited January 14, 2021 by moonslav59

[notin]

I'm thinking that once Kluber signs, all the dominoes start to fall.

 

God I hope not.

 

It took the guy five weeks just to get on a mound and throw a few pitches. Think he is going to mull through 15-20 offers faster than that?

[moonslav59]

Nothing too enlightening...

 

Report: Red Sox preparing to make 'a series of moves'

 

Edited January 14, 2021 by moonslav59

[jacksonianmarch]

This whole offseason hasn’t been enlightening. MLB Hot stove used to be great. Then again, lots of things that used to be great aren’t anymore. Sign of the times I guess

[moonslav59]

This whole offseason hasn’t been enlightening. MLB Hot stove used to be great. Then again, lots of things that used to be great aren’t anymore. Sign of the times I guess

 

Maybe we just need to reset our clocks and start thinking of Hot Stove as being January and February not December and early January.

Edited January 14, 2021 by moonslav59

[moonslav59]

SP: Odorizzi

SP: Kluber

RP: Hand

2B/OF: E Hernandez

4thOF: Marisnik

Trade Beni for RP Lopez

[mvp 78]

SP: Odorizzi

SP: Kluber

RP: Hand

2B/OF: E Hernandez

4thOF: Marisnik

Trade Beni for RP Lopez

 

If you get good health from Odorizzi/Kluber/Sale/Erod? 60/40

 

I think this team will look more like a 25/75 chance of making the playoffs. The offense will carry this team. If the bullpen can be average and the starting pitching isn't a disaster, they'll be in contention in mid September.

 

If the season were starting tomorrow it would be a 5/95 chance at making the playoffs.

[moonslav59]

If you get good health from Odorizzi/Kluber/Sale/Erod? 60/40

 

I think this team will look more like a 25/75 chance of making the playoffs. The offense will carry this team. If the bullpen can be average and the starting pitching isn't a disaster, they'll be in contention in mid September.

 

If the season were starting tomorrow it would be a 5/95 chance at making the playoffs.

 

What if we added Ozuna instead of Marisnik?

 

1. Bogey SS

2. Verdugo CF

3. Ozuna LF

4. Devers 3B

5. JD DH

6. Dalbec 1B

7. Renfroe RF

8. Vaz C

9. Hernandez 2B

 

Bench: Plawecki, Arroyo, Chavis

 

SP: Sale, Eovaldi, ERod, Odorizzi, Kluber, Pivetta

RP: Hand, Lopez, Barnes, Brasier, DHern, Houck, Taylor, Brice, Whitlock

 

[mvp 78]

What if we added Ozuna instead of Marisnik?

 

1. Bogey SS

2. Verdugo CF

3. Ozuna LF

4. Devers 3B

5. JD DH

6. Dalbec 1B

7. Renfroe RF

8. Vaz C

9. Hernandez 2B

 

Bench: Plawecki, Arroyo, Chavis

 

SP: Sale, Eovaldi, ERod, Odorizzi, Kluber, Pivetta

RP: Hand, Lopez, Barnes, Brasier, DHern, Houck, Taylor, Brice, Whitlock

 

 

Maybe 70/30, but only because of the question marks in the rotation. If I knew ERod would be healthy, I'd mark them in as a WC team.

[notin]

SP: Odorizzi

SP: Kluber

RP: Hand

2B/OF: E Hernandez

4thOF: Marisnik

Trade Beni for RP Lopez

 

What is the fascination with Jake Marisnick? He topped a .700 OPS one time in his career and needed to cheat to do it. The Sox would be better off with Albert Almora or Kevin Pillar...

[notin]

If you get good health from Odorizzi/Kluber/Sale/Erod? 60/40

 

I think this team will look more like a 25/75 chance of making the playoffs. The offense will carry this team. If the bullpen can be average and the starting pitching isn't a disaster, they'll be in contention in mid September.

 

If the season were starting tomorrow it would be a 5/95 chance at making the playoffs.

 

With a lot of snow outs...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

This whole offseason hasn’t been enlightening. MLB Hot stove used to be great. Then again, lots of things that used to be great aren’t anymore. Sign of the times I guess

 

Not even expectations.

[mvp 78]

With a lot of snow outs...

 

Season is going to start in FL most likely.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

What if we added Ozuna instead of Marisnik?

 

 

 

I was actually thinking both -- in the "flurry" after they trade Beni, of course.

 

Any below-average team could use another above-average bat and above-average glove...

[moonslav59]

What is the fascination with Jake Marisnick? He topped a .700 OPS one time in his career and needed to cheat to do it. The Sox would be better off with Albert Almora or Kevin Pillar...

 

Cheap, so more money for pitching.

 

Defense, defense, defense.

 

That's 4 reasons.

 

There are others that fit his mold. I don't know why I always say him.

 

Do you like Billy Hamilton better?

[moonslav59]

I was actually thinking both -- in the "flurry" after they trade Beni, of course.

 

Any below-average team could use another above-average bat and above-average glove...

 

Yes, just signing Ozuna and trading Beni would leave a hole at 4th OF'er.

 

Both would be better, and Marisnik may cost just a hair above min wage.

[mvp 78]

Cheap, so more money for pitching.

 

Defense, defense, defense.

 

That's 4 reasons.

 

There are others that fit his mold. I don't know why I always say him.

 

Do you like Billy Hamilton better?

 

I think I'd rather get COVID than have Billy Hamilton be the starting CFer.

[moonslav59]

I think I'd rather get COVID than have Billy Hamilton be the starting CFer.

 

So, we both agree on Marisnik?

 

(See how I turned that on you?)

[notin]

Cheap, so more money for pitching.

 

Defense, defense, defense.

 

That's 4 reasons.

 

There are others that fit his mold. I don't know why I always say him.

 

Do you like Billy Hamilton better?

 

Albert Almora is a terrific defensive outfielder as well. As is Pillar...

[moonslav59]

Albert Almora is a terrific defensive outfielder as well. As is Pillar...

 

Okay, I'll start saying Almora.

 

Pillar will cost more than either- maybe as much as a decent RP'er would cost.

[Kimmi]

This whole offseason hasn’t been enlightening. MLB Hot stove used to be great. Then again, lots of things that used to be great aren’t anymore. Sign of the times I guess

 

I have never been a fan of the offseason, but this one is really the pits.

[oldtimer]

I have never been a fan of the offseason, but this one is really the pits.

 

I believe we will see a Red Sox move by the end of next week. Beni is hanging out there and the Sox have talks on going in several areas.

[Kimmi]

I believe we will see a Red Sox move by the end of next week. Beni is hanging out there and the Sox have talks on going in several areas.

 

By all accounts, the Sox have been very active behind the scenes, probably the most active team in MLB. Something's brewing.... I don't know how quickly we'll see some moves, but I do get the feeling that we will see some moves in the near future.

 

I am torn on trading Beni.

[harmony]

An MLB.com website lists Alex Vedugo as the fourth-best centerfielder in baseball:

 

 

... even though last year Verdugo played only eight of his 422 outfield innings in center.

Edited January 15, 2021 by harmony

[moonslav59]

An MLB.com website lists Alex Vedugo as the fourth-best centerfielder in baseball:

 

 

... even though Verdugo only eight of his 422 outfield innings in center this year.

 

Jacko has him below average.

[mvp 78]

An MLB.com website lists Alex Vedugo as the fourth-best centerfielder in baseball:

 

 

... even though last year Verdugo played only eight of his 422 outfield innings in center.

Sox PR sending out signals that they aren’t signing another OF this offseason.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Sox PR sending out signals that they aren’t signing another OF this offseason.

 

Source? Sincerely, Sox Fan craving any news, even bad...

[mvp 78]

Source? Sincerely, Sox Fan craving any news, even bad...

 

The fact that MLB.com is now listing Verdugo as a CF.