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Looking at this logically... Toronto just banned all public events until June 30. Since they're a big league city, that means the MLB won't be starting until at least July.

 

But here's the thing: until there's a cure or vaccine, how can any park or city anywhere open any venues that promote crowd attendance? All it would take is one unknowing carrier coughing in the concourse, food line, beer line, bathroom -- or at cramped Fenway, in any row or section -- and then the plague begins anew.

 

What I can envision is what people in China have been telling me is proposed there: sports with no crowds, for TV viewing. Players on basketball or soccer teams would be quarantined for two weeks first, then play in neutral sites, with no homefield advantage.

 

Could this work for baseball? It'd be better than no baseball... and after all, most of us remote spectators are already used to watching with remotes.

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Looking at this logically... Toronto just banned all public events until June 30. Since they're a big league city, that means the MLB won't be starting until at least July.

 

But here's the thing: until there's a cure or vaccine, how can any park or city anywhere open any venues that promote crowd attendance? All it would take is one unknowing carrier coughing in the concourse, food line, beer line, bathroom -- or at cramped Fenway, in any row or section -- and then the plague begins anew.

 

What I can envision is what people in China have been telling me is proposed there: sports with no crowds, for TV viewing. Players on basketball or soccer teams would be quarantined for two weeks first, then play in neutral sites, with no homefield advantage.

 

Could this work for baseball? It'd be better than no baseball... and after all, most of us remote spectators are already used to watching with remotes.

 

they should 100% do this. and every night televise a national game. baseball would benefit big time. Americans are starving for sport.

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Looking at this logically... Toronto just banned all public events until June 30. Since they're a big league city, that means the MLB won't be starting until at least July.

 

But here's the thing: until there's a cure or vaccine, how can any park or city anywhere open any venues that promote crowd attendance? All it would take is one unknowing carrier coughing in the concourse, food line, beer line, bathroom -- or at cramped Fenway, in any row or section -- and then the plague begins anew.

 

What I can envision is what people in China have been telling me is proposed there: sports with no crowds, for TV viewing. Players on basketball or soccer teams would be quarantined for two weeks first, then play in neutral sites, with no homefield advantage.

 

Could this work for baseball? It'd be better than no baseball... and after all, most of us remote spectators are already used to watching with remotes.

 

I've been promoting that for like 2 weeks. I think MLB could start sooner than most sports because the game naturally has a lot of distancing and antiseptic behavior built in to it.

 

And while Toronto might be banning crowds, we're talking about the current Blue Jays team. Though not quite the Marlins, the Jays only draw about 21,000 per home game when there is no pandemic. Inthat monstrous stadium, it's actually possible to sit 21,000 people 6 feet apart...

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they should 100% do this. and every night televise a national game. baseball would benefit big time. Americans are starving for sport.

 

Netflix is leading the lobby against it ;)

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I’m ok with them finishing up the season at the spring training facilities down here in December.

 

The problem with that is both the AL Central and NL Central have some of their teams in FL and the rest in AZ, so division games would be a mess

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The problem with that is both the AL Central and NL Central have some of their teams in FL and the rest in AZ, so division games would be a mess

 

They would. Play those games before November...

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I've been promoting that for like 2 weeks. I think MLB could start sooner than most sports because the game naturally has a lot of distancing and antiseptic behavior built in to it.

 

And while Toronto might be banning crowds, we're talking about the current Blue Jays team. Though not quite the Marlins, the Jays only draw about 21,000 per home game when there is no pandemic. Inthat monstrous stadium, it's actually possible to sit 21,000 people 6 feet apart...

 

Actually, the Blue Jays' domed stadium with built-in hotel may be one of the perfect neutral sites to quarantine teams and then host mini-series exclusively for TV. Transportation would be a concern, though; we can't have 50 guys from all over North America driving to Canada in separate SUVs.

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Looking at this logically... Toronto just banned all public events until June 30. Since they're a big league city, that means the MLB won't be starting until at least July.

 

But here's the thing: until there's a cure or vaccine, how can any park or city anywhere open any venues that promote crowd attendance? All it would take is one unknowing carrier coughing in the concourse, food line, beer line, bathroom -- or at cramped Fenway, in any row or section -- and then the plague begins anew.

 

Baseball aside, this is my more longer term concern about where the country is headed. Rhetorically asked, when will we be able to comfortably congregate like we did just months ago? Will we ever be able to do that again? And what will be the impact on our lives when we KNOW that one person can start another pandemic?

 

IMO the only 'remedy" for what's going on is a mandatory vaccination for all people, which raises the question of whether that's even Constitutionally prohibited.

 

This is a mess, folks, and it's not going to go away easily or soon.

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IMO the only 'remedy" for what's going on is a mandatory vaccination for all people, which raises the question of whether that's even Constitutionally prohibited.

 

 

No, you cannot force people to get vaccinated. H1N1 in a vaccine-free world is far more deadly than the coronavirus, but we have mitigated it through vaccines. But still, even today, not everyone gets one.

 

Other pandemics throughout history have gone away with vaccines. Th Bubonic Plague, for example.

 

Will there still be minor outbreaks? Yeah, probably. But if you're vaccinated (or have already had the virus), you should be ok.

 

But back to baseball - we need crowd-free games. I don't care if they add CGI crowds to help the watching experience...

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Forced vaccinations are good actually. The only people who should be excluded are those with health related issues. Exemptions for personal and religious reasons are hogwash.
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Baseball aside, this is my more longer term concern about where the country is headed. Rhetorically asked, when will we be able to comfortably congregate like we did just months ago? Will we ever be able to do that again? And what will be the impact on our lives when we KNOW that one person can start another pandemic?

 

IMO the only 'remedy" for what's going on is a mandatory vaccination for all people, which raises the question of whether that's even Constitutionally prohibited.

 

This is a mess, folks, and it's not going to go away easily or soon.

 

the first wave of COVID19 making its way thru all communities will be the worst. that is what we are in now. really the reason for flattening the curve is just to prevent a crazy amount of fatalities all at once. it is better for the country and the hospitals/doctors/nurses if the terminally ill patients are spread out. COVID will continue to cull the sick and elderly until there is a vaccine.

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Forced vaccinations are good actually. The only people who should be excluded are those with health related issues. Exemptions for personal and religious reasons are hogwash.

 

But are they legal?

 

Like it or not, I could see some sort of ACLU fight over religious rights per the First Amendment...

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Forced vaccinations are good actually. The only people who should be excluded are those with health related issues. Exemptions for personal and religious reasons are hogwash.

 

Well wouldn't those who have already gotten it have the antibodies and therefore be immune? A shot for them would be a waste

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Well wouldn't those who have already gotten it have the antibodies and therefore be immune? A shot for them would be a waste

 

No, because some people who have gotten it are getting it a second time. They are not immune.

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No, because some people who have gotten it are getting it a second time. They are not immune.

 

They're already getting it a second time? That must suck

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No, because some people who have gotten it are getting it a second time. They are not immune.

 

I don't believe there's proof of that. There were a couple of cases in Japan, but they were thought to be false readings on the earlier test.

 

edit: ahh that article covers it pretty much.

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Problem is that we just don’t know enough about this virus.

 

True.

 

The thing also is, there is a difference between actually being re-infected and just having enough residual virus left in your system to test positive again.

 

So far, as many as eight strains appear to have been identified, but symposiums or lack of symptoms does not appear to be connected to any individual strain...

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Does every thread need to become about the virus. Hasn't it invaded and dominated enough of our lives?

 

I know. This virus is getting viral...

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I want this post back at the bottom to instill some reactions.

 

This is the best news we've had in the past 2 weeks...

TV ratings will be through the roof as everyone is at home. MLB can save some money by playing day games. Kids will finally get a chance to watch whole games.
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TV ratings will be through the roof as everyone is at home. MLB can save some money by playing day games. Kids will finally get a chance to watch whole games.

 

I know. Dump that Netflix stock now!

 

(Although this Tiger King show is actually quite interesting.)

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Here’s the only way this can work.

 

MLB takes over a massive baseball complex. You need at least 15 fields.

 

MLB buys out a bunch of local hotels, houses, fields, etc. Those locations are retrofitted/refurbished/built for player living.

 

Every player reports and is tested for COVID 19. By that point, the rapid test will be available. Any positives are sent home for a month.

 

Every player is isolated from any outside sources. No family, friends, nothing. It’s baseball, nothing but.

 

MLB staff, food services, and media are under the same quarantine.

 

2 weeks of ST, then opening the season. This should be done in a warm weather location so you can extend the season. Maybe northern Florida.

 

For the minor leagues, they’d do the same thing, and market the minor league games. The minor league complex would need to be driving distance from the MLB complex (within 3 hours). That way you can shuttle players from the minor if there are injuries.

 

Any injury requiring medical care is a 2 week injury. You need COVID testing to return and will be quarantined for awhile until they’re sure COVID doesn’t develop. If you have to break quarantine for care, you’re out.

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Yes, because you're in Virginia.

 

Some of us are in MA and IL. November can be very different up here...

 

Which is one of the reasons why I'm in Virginia. :)

 

If the season did run into November, then I'm sure neutral sites would come into play.

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Well the other reason why I wouldn't want that is because my passion is football. After Labor Day, I stop caring about baseball, unless the Sox are in the playoffs, in which case I'll skip September and then come back in October. On years they aren't in it, I barely watch the postseason at all. Also I work for a college football team so I don't exactly have a lot of spare time during football season anyway

 

As I've said many times before, football season does not start until baseball season is over. No matter when that might be.

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Looking at this logically... Toronto just banned all public events until June 30. Since they're a big league city, that means the MLB won't be starting until at least July.

 

But here's the thing: until there's a cure or vaccine, how can any park or city anywhere open any venues that promote crowd attendance? All it would take is one unknowing carrier coughing in the concourse, food line, beer line, bathroom -- or at cramped Fenway, in any row or section -- and then the plague begins anew.

 

What I can envision is what people in China have been telling me is proposed there: sports with no crowds, for TV viewing. Players on basketball or soccer teams would be quarantined for two weeks first, then play in neutral sites, with no homefield advantage.

 

Could this work for baseball? It'd be better than no baseball... and after all, most of us remote spectators are already used to watching with remotes.

 

Yeah, I don't see any way that they would allow games to be played with crowds. I was even wondering how they would allow all the players, coaches, and umpires to get together, but the idea of having them quarantined for two weeks might work.

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