Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[mvp 78]

Apparently these guys are going to be free agents next offseason:

 

Starting pitchers: Corey Kluber (club option), Trevor Bauer, Robbie Ray, James Paxton, Masahiro Tanaka, Jake Arrieta (club option), Marcus Stroman, Jose Quintana

 

Adding one of them seems to be a priority.

 

Bauer is the only good option there. Stroman is fine. The others have various issues (durability, performance, etc.).

[jung]

Bauer is the only good option there. Stroman is fine. The others have various issues (durability, performance, etc.).

 

Gee, don't we need to build up our stock of pitchers with potential durability, performance issues. Apparently we could never have enough of those.

[Slasher9]

 

Kelly's production can be replicated by any AAAA reliever.

 

why you gotta mess with Joe Kelly Fight Club???

[mvp 78]

why you gotta mess with Joe Kelly Fight Club???

 

Happy to have him here, glad to see him leave. His regular season numbers from 2019 were worse than his 2018 numbers which most of us weren't happy with.

[Jasonbay44]

Can't forget Pomeranz! Was he even on the postseason roster?

 

Kelly's production can be replicated by any AAAA reliever.

I know Pomeranz was on roster because my dad texted me during one of the games “Why the f*** is that dumb f*** warming up”. He wasn’t a Pom fan

[mvp 78]

I know Pomeranz was on roster because my dad texted me during one of the games “Why the f*** is that dumb f*** warming up”. He wasn’t a Pom fan

 

Hell yeah.

[moonslav59]

Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

 

We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

 

We may not like this but it may be what we need.

 

Can't forget Pomeranz! Was he even on the postseason roster?

 

Kelly's production can be replicated by any AAAA reliever.

 

Funny how you downplayed Kimbrel's role in the 2018 ring season due to his playoff woes, yet Kelly did great in the playoffs, and he's AAAA replaceable.

 

Can you stick to one criteria?

 

[mvp 78]

Funny how you downplayed Kimbrel's role in the 2018 ring season due to his playoff woes, yet Kelly did great in the playoffs, and he's AAAA replaceable.

 

Can you stick to one criteria?

 

Why should I? Nobody else around here does.

 

Weird that I have to be held to a different standard.

[jung]

Funny how you downplayed Kimbrel's role in the 2018 ring season due to his playoff woes, yet Kelly did great in the playoffs, and he's AAAA replaceable.

 

Can you stick to one criteria?

 

 

I suspect Kelly's 2018 post season performance was the one off of one offs. He always had velo but no real movement on his FB. He was throwing FB's with velo and late break and his breaking stuff was the best I have seen it. Don't know what he did. However if somebody told me there was something fishy going on there, I would be inclined to believe it.

[moonslav59]

Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

 

We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

 

We may not like this but it may be what we need.

 

I suspect Kelly's 2018 post season performance was the one off of one offs. He always had velo but no real movement on his FB. He was throwing FB's with velo and late break and his breaking stuff was the best I have seen it. Don't know what he did. However if somebody told me there was something fishy going on there, I would be inclined to believe it.

 

He was great and bad for stretches all 2018 and even other years.

 

Kimbrel helped get us to the playoffs.

 

Nunez, Kinsler and others helped, too.

[mvp 78]

He was great and bad for stretches all 2018 and even other years.

 

Kimbrel helped get us to the playoffs.

 

Nunez, Kinsler and others helped, too.

 

If it wasn't for Kinsler, they sweep the WS.

[moonslav59]

Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

 

We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

 

We may not like this but it may be what we need.

 

He was great and bad for stretches all 2018 and even other years.

 

Kimbrel helped get us to the playoffs.

 

Nunez, Kinsler and others helped, too.

 

We lost about 1/6th of our PAs from 2018, even though many were not all that great in 2018, it's enough to say 2019 was not the same team.

 

We lost about a tenth of our IP from 2018, but a much higher percent of high leverage/ late and close IP'd. That's enough to say it wasn't the same team in 2019.

[moonslav59]

Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

 

We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

 

We may not like this but it may be what we need.

 

If it wasn't for Kinsler, they sweep the WS.

 

If it wasn't for Kelly...

[mvp 78]

If it wasn't for Kelly...

 

They win 110 games in the regular season.

[jung]

He was great and bad for stretches all 2018 and even other years.

 

Kimbrel helped get us to the playoffs.

 

Nunez, Kinsler and others helped, too.

 

Even Kelly's hot stretches did not match what he did in the 2018 post season. The combination of velo and movement he showed in that post season is something I had not seen before that post season nor since.

[moonslav59]

Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

 

We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

 

We may not like this but it may be what we need.

 

Even Kelly's hot stretches did not match what he did in the 2018 post season. The combination of velo and movement he showed in that post season is something I had not seen before that post season nor since.

 

He had one great stretch early in 2018:

 

From game 2 to his 25th game (Apr 1 to May 29):

 

0.35 ERA

.327 OPS against

25.2 IP

10 H

27 K

6 BB

(1 out of 6 IR scored)

 

 

[jung]

He had one great stretch early in 2018:

 

From game 2 to his 25th game (Apr 1 to May 29):

 

0.35 ERA

.327 OPS against

25.2 IP

10 H

27 K

6 BB

(1 out of 6 IR scored)

 

 

 

i saw that stretch. His throwing did not match what he did in the playoffs. I like stats if I can't see the player play. If I can see the player play, that is what I trust.

[moonslav59]

Nice phrase. You (and Kimmie) have chanced my thinking on this. It reminds me of what the great philosopher Jagger said, "You can't always get what you want, but sometimes.... you get what you need.'

 

We'd all like to see Mookie around for his entire career, but at what price? Do you want to see him here forever if it means we never win a WSC again because JH can't/won't spend enough additional money to put quality players around him?

 

We may not like this but it may be what we need.

 

i saw that stretch. His throwing did not match what he did in the playoffs. I like stats if I can't see the player play. If I can see the player play, that is what I trust.

 

I remember that stretch very well. He looked awesome. He looked maybe a little better in the playoffs, but it might have been because it mattered more.

 

I'm glad he regained his stuff. There was a big debate about him not even making the playoff roster based on how crappy he did after May 29th.

 

54 IP

51 H

28 BB

57 K

[notin]

If it wasn't for Kinsler, they sweep the WS.

 

Assuming another 2B made the play. While it looked like an easy play, let's not forget Kinsler won a Gold Glove that year...

[Kimmi]

Why should I? Nobody else around here does.

 

Weird that I have to be held to a different standard.

 

Well, you are MVP. You are the GOLD standard.

[a700hitter]

There’s some good news on the progress of recently acquired outfielder Alex Verdugo, but also some added questions. Bradford writes that the 23-year-old has made major strides just since camp opened — but also that he may miss a month or more of the regular season.

He's shaping up to be a bust.

[Hitch]

He's shaping up to be a bust.

 

Definitely. 100%. A whole month out. All over. Definitely.

[mvp 78]

He's shaping up to be a bust.

 

I bet the Sox went into this trade realizing there was a chance for this to happen since he missed substantial time last year.

[Bellhorn04]

I bet the Sox went into this trade realizing there was a chance for this to happen since he missed substantial time last year.

 

100% they did.

[Hitch]

100% they did.

 

Exactly this.

[mvp 78]

Also, Verdugo is under control for a long while. Hard to call him a bust at this point. He wasn’t brought here to be Mookie 2.0.

[Bellhorn04]

Also, Verdugo is under control for a long while. Hard to call him a bust at this point.

 

Yes, a tad premature.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

I bet the Sox went into this trade realizing there was a chance for this to happen since he missed substantial time last year.

 

Bottom line: by trading Betts, they never expected -- or intended -- to contend in 2020. It was pretty obvious, but Verdugo's status further confirms it.

[Slasher9]

He wasn’t brought here to be Mookie 2.0.

 

thats Pillar.

[mvp 78]

thats Pillar.

 

Nope. He’s OF4.