Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[Slasher9]

back injuries are definitely a concern.

some debilitating back injuries are even mental.

either mental or physical they are very hard to predict when they will "heal" or when they will crop up again.

if this is a permanent on and off issue with verdugo then this trade has to be considered "Sox got hosed".....

[notin]

Congratulations on finding the article yourself see I knew you could do it. Of course I read the article.

 

Now since you are so good at doing research I suggest you also do a little on back injuries and how difficult they are to diagnose. And how several doctors can read the same MRI and come up with different prognoses. How the prognosis is highly dependent on the patience's description of the pain and how this can be highly subjective.

You will also find an article saying that low back pain experts have long understood that you simply cannot reliably diagnose low back pain with MRI or X-ray in isolation. And that premature MRIs are useless.

Oh what the articles on back pain don't say but what my physician told me after my automobile accident which injured my back that micro tears in my back muscles may not bother me until several weeks even months after the accident..

Finally we have no idea what the doctor precise words to the Red Sox were about Verdugo's injury. For example we have no idea whether the medical staff gave the team blanket clearance which I doubt or whether it was qualified in some manner which is more likely.

 

 

Yes I found it despite you being a complete ass about WHERE he said it. Speier does have multiple outlets.

 

And thanks for telling me about how to diagnose a lower back. I had an accident many years ago where I shattered several vertebrae and the x-Rays of my spine looked like a map of a winding country road giving a scenic tour of my torso. One major back surgery and two Harrington rods later, and I’m fine now. In fact, I’m better than before because they fixed my scoliosis. (This is a true story.)

 

And yet with all of this history of back issues, I won’t diagnose Alex Verdugo. Not sure what Kevin Kennedy’s credentials are, but probably not much better than mine if at all. Kennedy should stick to what he does best, which is promoting himself for successes, blaming others for his failures, and getting fired...

[Bellhorn04]

You can just sense some people are gunning for this move to be a bust so they can have reason to bitch at Bloom.

 

Truer words never spoken.

[mvp 78]

Look, I didn't want to trade Mookie. I wanted to sign him.

 

However, the trade was fine. I don't know what people were expecting for a one year rental.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbBpinyqE-0

[notin]

Look, I didn't want to trade Mookie. I wanted to sign him.

 

However, the trade was fine. I don't know what people were expecting for a one year rental.

 

I didn't want to trade him, either. But I think it was absolutely necessary...

[OH FOY]

Price if healthy, was the good move too. Spacious stadium, and no DH for majority of times. And he wont have to face the Yankees.

We screwed the Yanks right there, he was good for close to 4 wins a season, for them.

Gary Sanchez must be pissed. 8 for 16 with 6 HRS vs. Price.

Edited February 14, 2020 by OH FOY!

[Elktonnick]

Yes I found it despite you being a complete ass about WHERE he said it. Speier does have multiple outlets.

 

And thanks for telling me about how to diagnose a lower back. I had an accident many years ago where I shattered several vertebrae and the x-Rays of my spine looked like a map of a winding country road giving a scenic tour of my torso. One major back surgery and two Harrington rods later, and I’m fine now. In fact, I’m better than before because they fixed my scoliosis. (This is a true story.)

 

And yet with all of this history of back issues, I won’t diagnose Alex Verdugo. Not sure what Kevin Kennedy’s credentials are, but probably not much better than mine if at all. Kennedy should stick to what he does best, which is promoting himself for successes, blaming others for his failures, and getting fired...

Let set the record straight Kennedy didn't diagnose anything, he along with Jim Bowden merely expressed their "concern" about Verdugo because of hid history back injury. What is irrefutable is that subsequent events including the Red Sox acquisition of Polar demonstrate that the concern about Verdugo is more than justified.

[mvp 78]

Let set the record straight Kennedy didn't diagnose anything, he along with Jim Bowden merely expressed their "concern" about Verdugo because of hid history back injury. What is irrefutable is that subsequent events including the Red Sox acquisition of Polar demonstrate that the concern about Verdugo is more than justified.

 

The day the nixed trade was announced, there was already expressed concern that he may not start in April. I don't know why people think the Sox missed the injury. They wanted this guy despite his back injury.

[notin]

Let set the record straight Kennedy didn't diagnose anything, he along with Jim Bowden merely expressed their "concern" about Verdugo because of hid history back injury. What is irrefutable is that subsequent events including the Red Sox acquisition of Polar demonstrate that the concern about Verdugo is more than justified.

 

And also somewhat mitigated by the fact that they went after Pillar, a player likely to settle in to a fourth outfielder role. If t hey were really worried about Verdugo for all of 2020, they might have gone after Puig for one year. This is clearly not the case.

 

Even if Verdugo misses April, they have him for FIVE YEARS. If they did not make the deal, they had Betts for one year. This deal was not just about 2020, and, as mvp said, they clearly wanted Verdugo and did not think the back injury was serious enough to jeopardize his career for five years.

 

With Graterol, there was concerns about him long term. With Verdugo, apparently not so much.

[Bellhorn04]

The day the nixed trade was announced, there was already expressed concern that he may not start in April. I don't know why people think the Sox missed the injury. They wanted this guy despite his back injury.

 

Our docs better be right.

[Elktonnick]

The day the nixed trade was announced, there was already expressed concern that he may not start in April. I don't know why people think the Sox missed the injury. They wanted this guy despite his back injury.

 

I agree. They were willing to gamble which means what they got for Betts was merely a cover. This was a salary dump pure and simple. The worst part of the deal is they didn't pick up a pitching prospect so now they have to hope that they can flip some one to obtain a legitimate pitching prospect. I think events will prove that the Betts Price trade was done in haste (they should have waited until at least after the sanctions were announced). Furthermore I believe Verdugo will prove to be injury prone and I will be surprised if he plays 100 games this year.

[Elktonnick]

And also somewhat mitigated by the fact that they went after Pillar, a player likely to settle in to a fourth outfielder role. If t hey were really worried about Verdugo for all of 2020, they might have gone after Puig for one year. This is clearly not the case.

 

Even if Verdugo misses April, they have him for FIVE YEARS. If they did not make the deal, they had Betts for one year. This deal was not just about 2020, and, as mvp said, they clearly wanted Verdugo and did not think the back injury was serious enough to jeopardize his career for five years.

 

With Graterol, there was concerns about him long term. With Verdugo, apparently not so much.

 

No team in their right mind wants that clubhouse cancer Puig on their roster

[mvp 78]

I agree. They were willing to gamble which means what they got for Betts was merely a cover. This was a salary dump pure and simple. The worst part of the deal is they didn't pick up a pitching prospect so now they have to hope that they can flip some one to obtain a legitimate pitching prospect. I think events will prove that the Betts Price trade was done in haste (they should have waited until at least after the sanctions were announced). Furthermore I believe Verdugo will prove to be injury prone and I will be surprised if he plays 100 games this year.

 

They didn't get a pitching prospect. However, their farm was so barren that getting 2b and C prospects really helps the future. The problem is that most of their upper level guys are going to be bullpen guys. Maybe Mata and Ward can stick? We'll see. The pitching staff in Lowell was pretty good.

[mvp 78]

Our docs better be right.

 

There's a potential for Downs, Verdugo and Wong to all flame out. It just happens.

[notin]

I agree. They were willing to gamble which means what they got for Betts was merely a cover. This was a salary dump pure and simple. The worst part of the deal is they didn't pick up a pitching prospect so now they have to hope that they can flip some one to obtain a legitimate pitching prospect. I think events will prove that the Betts Price trade was done in haste (they should have waited until at least after the sanctions were announced). Furthermore I believe Verdugo will prove to be injury prone and I will be surprised if he plays 100 games this year.

 

Well, they did try to get a pitching prospect. That did not work out and either the Dodgers were not amenable to including on of their pitchers or the Sox did not like any of the ones they would make available.

 

This was a salary dump. Everyone gets that. If it wasn't, David Price would still be in Boston. But I think a lot of people seriously overvalue what one year of Betts at $27mill was going to get in a trade. The Sox were NEVER going to raid the top of the Dodger or Padre farm systems for the right to pay Mookie $27mill for a single season and then collect a draft pick. The Sox actually got more than I thought they would even if they hadn't included half of Price. And I think that is the point that YOU are missing in your deep hunt to find the inner truth behind exactly how nefarious this deal was...

[Elktonnick]

Well, they did try to get a pitching prospect. That did not work out and either the Dodgers were not amenable to including on of their pitchers or the Sox did not like any of the ones they would make available.

 

This was a salary dump. Everyone gets that. If it wasn't, David Price would still be in Boston. But I think a lot of people seriously overvalue what one year of Betts at $27mill was going to get in a trade. The Sox were NEVER going to raid the top of the Dodger or Padre farm systems for the right to pay Mookie $27mill for a single season and then collect a draft pick. The Sox actually got more than I thought they would even if they hadn't included half of Price. And I think that is the point that YOU are missing in your deep hunt to find the inner truth behind exactly how nefarious this deal was...

The bottom line was the Sox traded their best player not for bona fide pitching prospect of prospects which they desperately need but for a morally challenged immature injury prone outfielder with poor judgment.

[mvp 78]

The bottom line was the Sox traded their best player not for bona fide pitching prospect of prospects which they desperately need but for a morally challenged immature injury prone outfielder with poor judgment.

 

Seems like they need C, 2b and OF help too? The only positions they have a surplus in are 1B/3B/SS.

[notin]

The bottom line was the Sox traded their best player not for bona fide pitching prospect of prospects which they desperately need but for a morally challenged immature injury prone outfielder with poor judgment.

 

OK. What team was going to give up a bona fide pitching prospect for Betts? Did they turn down offers for all these elite young pitchers to take Verdugo? Or was he the best player available without taking Wil Myers contract back and keeping Price?

[jad]

The farm's fine! ... at least, now that they have the option of sending Verdugo down there to hit next to Castillo. Of course, that won't help the Seadogs much, which is my major concern. But maybe putting together a package of Sale and Boggaerts could return a good AA reliever.

[notin]

Seems like they need C, 2b and OF help too? The only positions they have a surplus in are 1B/3B/SS.

 

I still don't think they got a catcher. The Dodgers were moving Wang around the infield most of last year to see if he stuck anywhere. He'll probably be an OF himself at some point, assuming he keeps hitting...

[mvp 78]

I still don't think they got a catcher. The Dodgers were moving Wang around the infield most of last year to see if he stuck anywhere. He'll probably be an OF himself at some point, assuming he keeps hitting...

 

I think it was to give him versatility? Scouts keep saying he'll be super utility guy with a defensive profile like Biggio (who played CF, 2B and C).

[mvp 78]

OK. What team was going to give up a bona fide pitching prospect for Betts? Did they turn down offers for all these elite young pitchers to take Verdugo? Or was he the best player available without taking Wil Myers contract back and keeping Price?

 

Verdugo's bad back >>> Myers' bad contract

[Slasher9]

Verdugo's bad back >>> Myers' bad contract

 

^^^^^^

[notin]

I think it was to give him versatility? Scouts keep saying he'll be super utility guy with a defensive profile like Biggio (who played CF, 2B and C).

 

Maybe. But I read somewhere he was not much at any of the positions the Dodgers tried him at. Granted, they also have better prospects than him at C, 2B, and 3B...

[mvp 78]

Maybe. But I read somewhere he was not much at any of the positions the Dodgers tried him at. Granted, they also have better prospects than him at C, 2B, and 3B...

 

And the Sox definitely don't. Yuck

[notin]

Verdugo's bad back >>> Myers' bad contract

 

So you don't think Betts for Myers, Cal Quantrill, Manny Margot and Luis Campsano was the better deal? Plus we also got to keep Price!!

[Elktonnick]

Seems like they need C, 2b and OF help too? The only positions they have a surplus in are 1B/3B/SS.

Not as much as pitching

[notin]

Not as much as pitching

 

Ok. Who was offering pitching?

[mvp 78]

So you don't think Betts for Myers, Cal Quantrill, Manny Margot and Luis Campsano was the better deal? Plus we also got to keep Price!!

 

I don't entirely believe that was the actual deal presented. Also, that trade doesn't bring them under the lux tax, correct?

 

The Sox' main objective was to get under the lux tax, no matter what Henry said otherwise. Any trade that would prevent them from doing so wasn't going to happen.

 

I think the Sox used the Padres as a spark to force momentum on a trade with LA. I think Bloom all along knew he wanted Price and Betts to go to LA.