Mookie Betts and David Price have been traded to Dodgers

[mvp 78]

Not as much as pitching

 

They have needs almost everywhere.

[Elktonnick]

OK. What team was going to give up a bona fide pitching prospect for Betts? Did they turn down offers for all these elite young pitchers to take Verdugo? Or was he the best player available without taking Wil Myers contract back and keeping Price?

 

Simple solution Don't trade him until you get what you need. There was no reason for the haste. Bloom got hosed. The big city slickers from LA took Blooming Onion to the cleaners.

[notin]

I don't entirely believe that was the actual deal presented. Also, that trade doesn't bring them under the lux tax, correct?

 

The Sox' main objective was to get under the lux tax, no matter what Henry said otherwise. Any trade that would prevent them from doing so wasn't going to happen.

 

I think the Sox used the Padres as a spark to force momentum on a trade with LA. I think Bloom all along knew he wanted Price and Betts to go to LA.

 

The idea of dealing Betts and taking back Myers was always a laughable one. It was like the Padres really only wanted to see if Bloom would do it. Even if the Sox received half of Myers' contract, the Padres still received Betts basically for free along with a draft pick, gave up a couple of the non-elite prospects and unloaded their heavily paid fifth outfielder. The Sox didn't get under the limit and took on another deadweight contract, and all that to get maybe one reasonbly good prospect from the Padres? Complete rip off. At least put Gore on the table, San Diego.

[mvp 78]

The idea of dealing Betts and taking back Myers was always a laughable one. It was like the Padres really only wanted to see if Bloom would do it. Even if the Sox received half of Myers' contract, the Padres still received Betts basically for free along with a draft pick, gave up a couple of the non-elite prospects and unloaded their heavily paid fifth outfielder. The Sox didn't get under the limit and took on another deadweight contract, and all that to get maybe one reasonbly good prospect from the Padres? Complete rip off. At least put Gore on the table, San Diego.

 

I talked myself liking that deal as I thought it was an inevitability. The Dodgers deal makes much more sense to me. You automatically reset the lux tax, you have a replacement for Betts in RF and add 2 players that can fill positions of need in MiLB pipeline.

 

Having Price's dead money isn't great. Having Myers too would be even worse.

[Elktonnick]

They have needs almost everywhere.

No they don't! Until they stupidly traded Betts this still was a solid team

Moreover the new manager announced he was not going to repeat crooked Cora's brain dead move of not having his starters ready to pitch opening day.

[notin]

Simple solution Don't trade him until you get what you need. There was no reason for the haste. Bloom got hosed. The big city slickers from LA took Blooming Onion to the cleaners.

 

Well, there was. Teams are already reporting to Spring Training. When was the right time? What if no opportunity arises in March? And once the season starts, Betts' value plummets due to the loss of the compensatory draft pick.

 

In July? Position players just don't fetch those kinds of returns in July trades. Know how many good pitching prospects the Orioles got for Machado? None. They really only got one decent prospect, and even his luster has already worn off.

 

If the Sox did no deal Betts now, the return would have only decreased. If the Sox couldn't get what they wanted for him now, they were never going to.

[Elktonnick]

Ok. Who was offering pitching?

Don't make the trade until you get what you need.

[Bellhorn04]

Simple solution Don't trade him until you get what you need. There was no reason for the haste. Bloom got hosed. The big city slickers from LA took Blooming Onion to the cleaners.

 

Haste? Jesus, the trade didn't happen until players were already in camp.

[Elktonnick]

Well, there was. Teams are already reporting to Spring Training. When was the right time? What if no opportunity arises in March? And once the season starts, Betts' value plummets due to the loss of the compensatory draft pick.

 

In July? Position players just don't fetch those kinds of returns in July trades. Know how many good pitching prospects the Orioles got for Machado? None. They really only got one decent prospect, and even his luster has already worn off.

 

If the Sox did no deal Betts now, the return would have only decreased. If the Sox couldn't get what they wanted for him now, they were never going to.

 

The Orioles took quantity over quality for Machado because their franchise was destroyed because of years of neglect by their owner DeAngelos, not a comparable example. Moreover waiting would have allowed Boston to compete. In any case "act in haste repent in leisure"

[mvp 78]

No they don't! Until they stupidly traded Betts this still was a solid team

Moreover the new manager announced he was not going to repeat crooked Cora's brain dead move of not having his starters ready to pitch opening day.

 

Well, if you only consider the 2020 MLB roster you may think that.

[Elktonnick]

Haste? Jesus, the trade didn't happen until players were already in camp.

It is always too soon if you do not get what you want or need. Why is Scott Boras the best agent in baseball? Answer because he out waits everyone until he gets the best deal.

[mvp 78]

The Orioles took quantity over quality for Machado because their franchise was destroyed because of years of neglect by their owner DeAngelos, not a comparable example. Moreover waiting would have allowed Boston to compete. In any case "act in haste repent in leisure"

 

Compete, but not get under the lux tax, which was the only consideration.

[Elktonnick]

Well, if you only consider the 2020 MLB roster you may think that.

I do.

[Jasonbay44]

Don't make the trade until you get what you need.

 

The Red Sox didn't have the leverage. The longer they hold Mookie, the less value he had, especially when they wanted teams to take Price contract as well. No one was offering elite pitching for Mookie.

[mvp 78]

I do.

 

The problem with that thought process is "what about 2021, 2022?"

[Elktonnick]

The problem with that thought process is "what about 2021, 2022?"

So let us sacfrice today for a maybe next year. When you have the opportunity to win in baseball you take it because too much can happen that may prevent you from ever getting back.

[Bellhorn04]

It is always too soon if you do not get what you want or need. Why is Scott Boras the best agent in baseball? Answer because he out waits everyone until he gets the best deal.

 

Yeah, but you're just making blind assumptions that Bloom could have gotten a better deal than he did.

[Slasher9]

bloom showed a ton of patience this offseason. is this really under question?

[a700hitter]

Look, I didn't want to trade Mookie. I wanted to sign him.

 

However, the trade was fine. I don't know what people were expecting for a one year rental.

It was intended as a salary dump. We were never going to get significant talent in return. You don’t get significant talent in a salary dump, and we did not. Just like in the AGon, Beckett salary dump, some people want to believe that we received some significant talent in return. They are dreaming. No one wants these guys to blow up, but I wouldn’t be buying their jerseys. LOL! It was a salary dump. We got a guy that hasn’t been able to play since August because of a back issue and will probably not be ready for the season. Maybe he can hang out with Pedey. Unlike others, I am not excited about the new acquisitions. We got a broken spare part and a seedling for one year of Betts. As a fan, I’d rather have watched one season of Betts. Imo, unless this 2020 team comes out of the gate smoking, the fan backlash on ticket sales and viewership will be tremendous.

[notin]

The Orioles took quantity over quality for Machado because their franchise was destroyed because of years of neglect by their owner DeAngelos, not a comparable example. Moreover waiting would have allowed Boston to compete. In any case "act in haste repent in leisure"

 

So you’re saying they turned down better prospects to get more bad ones? Did the Orioles front office tell you that?

 

They might not have the best farm system, but it is a safe bet the Orioles’ front office is well aware of prospect attrition rates and how few become actual major leaguers. They took the best deal they could get...

[Elktonnick]

The Red Sox didn't have the leverage. The longer they hold Mookie, the less value he had, especially when they wanted teams to take Price contract as well. No one was offering elite pitching for Mookie.

 

I said that about Price three or four months ago and these same posters were telling me I was wrong then. In Betts case however I think because he is arguably the best player in baseball not named Trout his value wouldn't have diminished. If Scott Boras rather then Chain Bloom had been negotiating the deal for Boston he would have done what Boras has always done and outwaited the other guys and got the better deal and got what he needed not what he got. Bloom got hosed by his former boss.

[notin]

Yeah, but you're just making blind assumptions that Bloom could have gotten a better deal than he did.

 

If teams were not in on Betts when he was all over the news, they were not going to jump in later, even if someone got hurt. Do people really think a team like the Braves was watching this go down and thought “we absolutely have the pitching prospects to outbid these guys. But we don’t need Mookie right now. Let’s hold off and see if Nick Markakis gets hurt.”

[Elktonnick]

So you’re saying they turned down better prospects to get more bad ones? Did the Orioles front office tell you that?

 

They might not have the best farm system, but it is a safe bet the Orioles’ front office is well aware of prospect attrition rates and how few become actual major leaguers. They took the best deal they could get...

It was well reported here that Baltimore was so needy that they wanted quantity to restock their system. That was their strategy.

[notin]

It was intended as a salary dump. We were never going to get significant talent in return. You don’t get significant talent in a salary dump, and we did not. Just like in the AGon, Beckett salary dump, some people want to believe that we received some significant talent in return. They are dreaming. No one wants these guys to blow up, but I wouldn’t be buying their jerseys. LOL! It was a salary dump. We got a guy that hasn’t been able to play since August because of a back issue and will probably not be ready for the season. Maybe he can hang out with Pedey. Unlike others, I am not excited about the new acquisitions. We got a broken spare part and a seedling for one year of Betts. As a fan, I’d rather have watched one season of Betts. Imo, unless this 2020 team comes out of the gate smoking, the fan backlash on ticket sales and viewership will be tremendous.

 

Exactly.

 

The best player the Sox received in return for that deal is a debate between James Loney and Rubby De La Rosa....

[notin]

It was well reported here that Baltimore was so needy that they wanted quantity to restock their system. That was their strategy.

 

But even the Orioles know you don’t restock a system with Breyvic Valera...

[Elktonnick]

If teams were not in on Betts when he was all over the news, they were not going to jump in later, even if someone got hurt. Do people really think a team like the Braves was watching this go down and thought “we absolutely have the pitching prospects to outbid these guys. But we don’t need Mookie right now. Let’s hold off and see if Nick Markakis gets hurt.”

Needs change. They say haste makes waste for a reason. And Bloom got hosed

[S5Dewey]

If either of those two guys was taking steroids, I don’t think Puig would be my first choice...

 

Grrr... Unfortunately things don't always carry well on line. :-(

 

What I meant to suggest is that Yasiel Puig is just an extreme version of Albert Belle. No thanks.. to either of them.

Edited February 14, 2020 by S5Dewey

[notin]

I said that about Price three or four months ago and these same posters were telling me I was wrong then. In Betts case however I think because he is arguably the best player in baseball not named Trout his value wouldn't have diminished. If Scott Boras rather then Chain Bloom had been negotiating the deal for Boston he would have done what Boras has always done and outwaited the other guys and got the better deal and got what he needed not what he got. Bloom got hosed by his former boss.

 

Is this the same Scott Boras who waited out the JD Martinez negotiations to get $100 mill less than his asking price?

 

Waiting only works if someone else gets interested and is willing to pay more. But if Bloom waited until April 1, Betts’ value plummets. There was a hard deadline...

[Elktonnick]

But even the Orioles know you don’t restock a system with Breyvic Valera...

 

Oh you're the expert on what the Orioles know. Have ever been to Cambden Yards or old Memorial Stadium. Have you ever read the Baltimore Sun or seen MASN

Do yo know where EUTAW street is

[notin]

Grrr... Unfortunately things don't always carry well on line. :-(

 

What I meant to say is, "Isn't Yasiel puig just an extreme version of Albert Belle?"

 

 

Ok. I see where you’re going.

 

But Belle was an extreme case. As crazy as Puig is, he’s never thrown baseballs at a photographer...