will Cora get hit with the Hammer??

[Noles_1335]

After seeing what the Astros just got hit with and sources are saying AC is going to be hit hard too. What if anything comes of this and our possible sign stealing escapade?

[moonslav59]

After seeing what the Astros just got hit with and sources are saying AC is going to be hit hard too. What if anything comes of this and our possible sign stealing escapade?

 

Wow, that was stiff. 1st and 2nd round draft picks lost and the GM and manager suspended for a year.

 

Waiting for the appeal and results of it.

[Swiharts Ghost]

Jax that guys out of control today

[illinoisredsox]

Wow, that was stiff. 1st and 2nd round draft picks lost and the GM and manager suspended for a year.

 

Waiting for the appeal and results of it.

 

One of these times I'd I want to see the penalties go up upon appeal.

 

I had several professors who had a version of that. If you felt you had been wrongly graded on a certain portion of a test, they had no issue looking at it, but they said up front that they would look at the whole exam, not just the part you wanted them to. After all, if one part was mismarked, then other parts could have been as well.

[jung]

One of these times I'd I want to see the penalties go up upon appeal.

 

I had several professors who had a version of that. If you felt you had been wrongly graded on a certain portion of a test, they had no issue looking at it, but they said up front that they would look at the whole exam, not just the part you wanted them to. After all, if one part was mismarked, then other parts could have been as well.

 

There won't be appeals. Astros have already fired Hinch and Lunhow the equivalent of the Astros surrendering.

[notin]

There won't be appeals. Astros have already fired Hinch and Lunhow the equivalent of the Astros surrendering.

 

 

The Astros are being so thorough about this, they’ve even bought a new trash can...

[Elktonnick]

MLB radio is predicting that the Red Sox may not wait for the final report to fire Cora. I think they will wait but will be forced to axe him if the report in any way implicates him.

[fxkatt]

He's gone. And this may mean no player moves at all for a period of time. We may need to wait till the dust settles before any major move, if indeed, any is coming. This literally shakes the ground underneath the Sox, as Houston can now move on. But the hierarchy had to foresee this.

[notin]

He's gone. And this may mean no player moves at all for a period of time. We may need to wait till the dust settles before any major move, if indeed, any is coming. This literally shakes the ground underneath the Sox, as Houston can now move on. But the hierarchy had to foresee this.

 

 

So... the Sox are paralyzed due to pending disciplinary action on Cora, but the Astros - the team with no GM and no manager - are ready to make moves?

[a700hitter]

the astros are being so thorough about this, they’ve even bought a new trash can...

lol!

[fxkatt]

So... the Sox are paralyzed due to pending disciplinary action on Cora, but the Astros - the team with no GM and no manager - are ready to make moves?

 

Yes! Because the GM and manager have already been fired. They already have their players, so they can hire a new manager and Gm NOW. While we will have to WAIT longer, perhaps much longer.

[moonslav59]

One of these times I'd I want to see the penalties go up upon appeal.

 

I had several professors who had a version of that. If you felt you had been wrongly graded on a certain portion of a test, they had no issue looking at it, but they said up front that they would look at the whole exam, not just the part you wanted them to. After all, if one part was mismarked, then other parts could have been as well.

 

I did that as a teacher, but if a student was honest enough and said I marked something right that was wrong, and yes this happened often, I would not take points off. (Maybe that's why they brought it up so often.)

[jad]

I did that as a teacher, but if a student was honest enough and said I marked something right that was wrong, and yes this happened often, I would not take points off. (Maybe that's why they brought it up so often.)

 

I would also do that, as well as giving credit for answers I mistakenly marked wrong. But then, of course, I would lie to them and say that the points (one way or the other) did not affect the letter grade I had assigned.

[vegasbob]

Cora is as good as fired, if Henry doesn't actually do it. Totally lame ducked going into ST. But his status does not tie up Bloom from personnel moves, so that is a different situation. The further fall out may be at the coaching positions who were present in 2018 and at least knew about the sign stealing operation. The situation evolves around the use of technology, not the concept of trying to gain an edge by use of experience or wits to out perform the opponent.

It will be interesting to compare the full outcome of this situation with the Patriots transgressions and subsequent punishment which essentially changed no outcomes going forward. Kraft and his boys took the PR blow, reputational harm, fines, etc and just kept trucking. Will MLB and the Sox ownership take it a lot further with AC?

[Bellhorn04]

Having reread the commissioner's statement, I think it is safe to conclude that Cora specifically and the Red Sox in particular are likely to get hit with sanctions more severe than those meted out to the Astros

 

Explain why the Red Sox would?

[Elktonnick]

Explain why the Red Sox would?

 

The watch fiasco

[Bellhorn04]

The watch fiasco

 

Maybe, but there's nothing in the statement about it other than putting it in the timeline for 2017.

[Elktonnick]

Maybe, but there's nothing in the statement about it other than putting it in the timeline for 2017.

 

Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! The Commissioner gave fair warning. Second offense penalties should be more severe than Astros. The Commissioner 's credibility requires that he show disregarding his warnings have consequences.

[notin]

MLB radio is predicting that the Red Sox may not wait for the final report to fire Cora. I think they will wait but will be forced to axe him if the report in any way implicates him.

 

The initial Astros report did. But was he also involved in the Sox scandal? If so it seems odd he would champion a less effective (only good with a runner on 2nd) method that was not usable during the post-season, especially since at the time he got away with the method in Houston...

[Elktonnick]

The initial Astros report did. But was he also involved in the Sox scandal? If so it seems odd he would champion a less effective (only good with a runner on 2nd) method that was not usable during the post-season, especially since at the time he got away with the method in Houston...

 

Cora is toast. He was the manager. The Commissioner made clear that condoning such behavior was unacceptable. Unless Cora took affirmative action to stop and prevent it he will be held to account.

[oldtimer]

Having reread the commissioner's statement, I think it is safe to conclude that Cora specifically and the Red Sox in particular are likely to get hit with sanctions more severe than those meted out to the Astros

 

I don't see why you say that. Perhaps Cora will be fired and some sanction will be applied. I'll bet other organizations did similar things.

[Elktonnick]

I don't see why you say that. Perhaps Cora will be fired and some sanction will be applied. I'll bet other organizations did similar things.

Steve Buckley writing in the Athletic believes that Boston will likely fire Cora this week prior to MLB finishing its investigation.

It is immaterial whether other clubs were doing it. The Red Sox got caught twice in the last three years. They are going to be sanctioned severely, the question is how much worse than the Astros.

[moonslav59]

Steve Buckley writing in the Athletic believes that Boston will likely fire Cora this week prior to MLB finishing its investigation.

It is immaterial whether other clubs were doing it. The Red Sox got caught twice in the last three years. They are going to be sanctioned severely, the question is how much worse than the Astros.

 

Or less.

[jad]

Actually, all I care about managers is their droning pre-game interviews on the radio. Loved the droll lilt of Francona and Cora--sort of like baseball Musak while I'm cooking dinner. I'll miss them.

[notin]

Or less.

 

Or not

[notin]

Cora is toast. He was the manager. The Commissioner made clear that condoning such behavior was unacceptable. Unless Cora took affirmative action to stop and prevent it he will be held to account.

 

But being accountable and being the ringleader are two different things.

[Elktonnick]

But being accountable and being the ringleader are two different things.

 

By definition the manager is the ringmaster. It is clear from the commissioner's statement on the Astros that management bears the heavy burden for condoning and failure to stop the behavior. You can rationalize but MLB will come down hard on both the Red Sox and Cora. There will be tremendous pressure on Henry to fire Cora just like the Astros did Hinch. The only question is the magnitude of the punishment. I believe MLB could ban Cora for a period of time permitting him to apply for reinstatement eventually. He is going to be hit hard.

As for Boston this being the second offense will also be hit hard. I'm my mind it will be more severe than Houston precisely because it is a second offense.

[moonslav59]

By definition the manager is the ringmaster. It is clear from the commissioner's statement on the Astros that management bears the heavy burden for condoning and failure to stop the behavior. You can rationalize but MLB will come down hard on both the Red Sox and Cora. There will be tremendous pressure on Henry to fire Cora just like the Astros did Hinch. The only question is the magnitude of the punishment. I believe MLB could ban Cora for a period of time permitting him to apply for reinstatement eventually. He is going to be hit hard.

As for Boston this being the second offense will also be hit hard. I'm my mind it will be more severe than Houston precisely because it is a second offense.

 

We don't know for sure what the Sox did. Yes, 2nd offense will make the punishment more severe, but it does matter how bad what the Sox did was and how certain the charge is.

 

No question, Cora might get the biggest punishment of all, based on what he did in HOU plus whatever in BOS, but I'm not so sure the Sox team will get hit as hard as the Astros did.

[moonslav59]

Or not

 

Yes, or more.

[jung]

I don't think Henry will have any choice but to fire Cora even before the league report on the 2018 Sox is completed. What is Henry going to do, let the Sox start the season with Cora in harness. Sounds absurd to me.