2018 Red Sox cheating scandal

[Swiharts Ghost]

According to The Athletic, multiple memebers of the 2018 Red Sox have told MLB that they used the replay room to steal signs that season.

Surely, replay rooms have been used for cheating since the moment they were created, which is something MLB tried to crack down on prior to the 2018 season by adding monitors. The Red Sox reportedly used zoomed-in video in the replay room to learn catcher's signals, which could then be relayed to batters when runners were on second base. They almost certainly weren't the only ones doing that through the years. Still, it's especially disturbing that it's another Alex Cora team getting busted, given that Cora was also with the 2017 Astros when they were cheating.

 

 

This is per rotoworld. Cora decided to take what he learned and apply it to the Sox. Wow, didn’t expect this

 

Ohhhh hey Jax ? Maybe you haven’t heard you guys are on the clock now not so clean on this front for your boys ehhh ? Do me a favor report on the yanks and their own brewing scandal and gain some monicule of humility on this subject .Thanks buddy

[notin]

Direct from that article. Only an idiot says the yanks are dirty from that article

 

 

So “where there’s smoke” logic only applies to Ortiz and steroid usage?

[Swiharts Ghost]

So “where there’s smoke” logic only applies to Ortiz and steroid usage?

 

Yankee logic

[jacksonianmarch]

So “where there’s smoke” logic only applies to Ortiz and steroid usage?

 

Ortiz actually failed a fricken drug test

[illinoisredsox]

Ortiz actually failed a fricken drug test

 

Prove it and name the substance.

[mvp 78]

Ortiz actually failed a fricken drug test

 

Arod

Pettit

Clemens

Sheffield

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[a700hitter]

Direct from that article. Only an idiot says the yanks are dirty from that article

The proof is that Cora credited Beltran for the ass-kicking that the Yankees administered,

and he didn’t even play. Beltran was a co-conspirator in Houston. Connect the dots Doc.

[notin]

Ortiz actually failed a fricken drug test

 

Said no actual drug test report ever...

[jacksonianmarch]

The proof is that Cora credited Beltran for the ass-kicking that the Yankees administered,

and he didn’t even play. Beltran was a co-conspirator in Houston. Connect the dots Doc.

 

I can connect the dots, but Cora has no intricate knowledge of the Yankees inner workings and the games were in London. How the heck could the Yanks illegally use a video feed in a park they don’t even own.

 

I get that you all want to implicate your rivals in this. I understand it. The idea that the most recent title is tainted mustn’t sit well. But there’s no smoking gun with the Yanks. There’s no “Deep Throat” outing the Yanks like there is with the Sox. While Beltran is a connection, he was in the FO and not on the field. Cora, meanwhile, was the architect and he was on the field for both clubs.

 

This is clearly just a fan base grasping at straws And I get it. The Sox got a title out of the cheating and the GM burning the farm and salting the earth. The combination of the punishment from the MLB and the recovery from DD’s pillaging will set the Sox back years. The fans aren’t happy.

[mvp 78]

It’s not that we want to implicate rivals, it’s that there is a 99.9% likelihood that other teams did it too.

[Elktonnick]

It’s not that we want to implicate rivals, it’s that there is a 99.9% likelihood that other teams did it too.

 

They may have but that in no way mitigates what Cora did.

[Bellhorn04]

In my opinion, Manfred is absolutely obligated to talk to Logan Morrison and ask him about these firsthand accounts he says he received about the Yankees and Dodgers.

 

If Morrison tells him it was totally untrue, well, so be it. But Manfred has a big responsibility here to the sport in general.

 

If other teams were doing it, everyone wants to know that and see them disciplined the same way.

 

Get it all out there and do it now.

[jung]

It’s not that we want to implicate rivals, it’s that there is a 99.9% likelihood that other teams did it too.

 

I would agree that there is a 99.9% likelihood that other teams did it. But I also think there is far less than even a 10% chance that all teams were using video and electronics to cheat using real time in game video and electronic material.

 

The biggest hypocrisy in MLB has always been the willingness of MLB to protect the cheaters and its inner circle of royal franchises, its complete inability to acknowledge its those playing it straight that are hurt by it. MLB needed big stars and big HR hitters in the 90's and it didn't matter to them how they got them or who got run over in the process. For every extra $ those guys made, there was another guy playing it straight that was relatively hurt by it. But MLB got to save its miserable ass in the process as it was in big big trouble after the strike year.

 

Here again, I have said this before in this thread but watch how MLB in its reports insulates ownership and itself from any of the blame and attempts to limit the damage to a few guys they can throw the book at completely absolving itself and Ownership in the process.

 

MLB wants its big bad teams especially in Boston and NY and to some extent Chicago and really does not care who gets run over in the process. You other stains should just be happy we let you into the club even as second class citizens.

 

Even LA cuts no mustard with the MLB hierarchy and the true royal franchises in Baseball. LA fielded some of the best pitching in baseball two years running and it got run over by road graders particularly in 2017. Anybody that looks back at the 2017 post season and WS and takes any pride in it needs to get a brain realignment. To some extent the same is true for us in Boston regarding 2018. Might have been difficult to use the system Cora used here in the post season but that was a completely unreal to the point of unrealistic 2018 regular season for us.

 

I remain unconvinced at this point that Cora could not use his system post season. JBJ as ALCS MVP and Pearce, PEARCE for God sake as WS MVP. Give me a break. Both of those guys going off makes no sense AT ALL.

Edited January 16, 2020 by jung

[mvp 78]

In my opinion, Manfred is absolutely obligated to talk to Logan Morrison and ask him about these firsthand accounts he says he received about the Yankees and Dodgers.

 

If Morrison tells him it was totally untrue, well, so be it. But Manfred has a big responsibility here to the sport in general.

 

If other teams were doing it, everyone wants to know that and see them disciplined the same way.

 

Get it all out there and do it now.

 

That's not how MLB has historically worked though.

[jacksonianmarch]

If there is something proven in NY, then the same punishment must apply. But to this point, outside of speculation, there’s absolutely nothing

[notin]

In my opinion, Manfred is absolutely obligated to talk to Logan Morrison and ask him about these firsthand accounts he says he received about the Yankees and Dodgers.

 

If Morrison tells him it was totally untrue, well, so be it. But Manfred has a big responsibility here to the sport in general.

 

If other teams were doing it, everyone wants to know that and see them disciplined the same way.

 

Get it all out there and do it now.

 

Just how obligated is Morrison to talk to Manfred?

 

LoMo is clearly a techie on some level and has voiced that electronic sign stealing is ok in his eyes. So if he thinks it’s ok, how willing is he to throw people under what is obviously a bus roaring in his direction?

[Bellhorn04]

Just how obligated is Morrison to talk to Manfred?

 

LoMo is clearly a techie on some level and has voiced that electronic sign stealing is ok in his eyes. So if he thinks it’s ok, how willing is he to throw people under what is obviously a bus roaring in his direction?

 

All I'm saying is that Manfred should ask him to clarify his comments. Agree or disagree?

[mvp 78]

If there is something proven in NY, then the same punishment must apply. But to this point, outside of speculation, there’s absolutely nothing

 

The problem is that nothing has been proven against the Sox either. Right now, it's just speculation. Cora has been fired for his acts during his Astros tenure, nothing more. But to this point, outside of speculation, there's absolutely nothing

[notin]

All I'm saying is that Manfred should ask him to clarify his comments. Agree or disagree?

 

He probably should ask. Although if he does, he runs the risk of exposing a giant conspiracy...

[Slasher9]

If there is something proven in NY, then the same punishment must apply. But to this point, outside of speculation, there’s absolutely nothing

 

where there is smoke, there is fire. and logan threw a smoke bomb at the bronx. so did cora. so did beltran.

will manfred bury it? or will he do the due diligence? that is the only question....

[Slasher9]

All I'm saying is that Manfred should ask him to clarify his comments. Agree or disagree?

 

Agree

[mvp 78]

If there is something proven in NY, then the same punishment must apply. But to this point, outside of speculation, there’s absolutely nothing

 

Sooooooooooo Beltran just stepped down. Does that count as smoke in NYY or no?

[mvp 78]

From Jay Jaffe:

 

While Beltrán was not mentioned by name in Rosenthal and Drelich’s January 7 report of the Red Sox’s own sign-stealing efforts, last week I noted that it was possible to connect the dots between him and the timeline laid out by The Athletic’s intrepid pair. “As far back as 2015, the Yankees used the video replay room to learn other teams’ sign sequences, multiple sources told The Athletic. Other teams likely were doing the same. Sources said the Red Sox began doing it no later than 2016.” Beltrán played for the Yankees from 2014-16 before being traded to the Rangers on August 1 of the latter year; he signed with the Astros in December 2016.

 

Such circumstantial evidence hardly proves Beltrán’s involvement in New York, but as noted within that article, player movement from team to team appears to have played a significant role in the proliferation of electronic sign-stealing efforts throughout the game. “Oftentimes it takes a player to show up and be like ‘You f—— morons, you’re not doing this?’” one American League executive told The Athletic.

 

(Needless to say, reports of the Yankees’ 2015 participation should also serve as a reminder that the apparent guilt of the Astros and Red Sox may be the tip of the iceberg in this mess, a point that The Athletic has frequently underscored but that appeared to escape Manfred back in November when he said he had “no reason to believe it extends beyond the Astros at this point in time.”)

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

("Needless to say, reports of the Yankees’ 2015 participation should also serve as a reminder that the apparent guilt of the Astros and Red Sox may be the tip of the iceberg in this mess, a point that The Athletic has frequently underscored but that appeared to escape Manfred back in November when he said he had “no reason to believe it extends beyond the Astros at this point in time.”)

 

Really? Ya think? Shocking...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

Quick, someone go on the Yankees forum and start a thread called 2015 Yankees cheating scandal...

[mvp 78]

("Needless to say, reports of the Yankees’ 2015 participation should also serve as a reminder that the apparent guilt of the Astros and Red Sox may be the tip of the iceberg in this mess, a point that The Athletic has frequently underscored but that appeared to escape Manfred back in November when he said he had “no reason to believe it extends beyond the Astros at this point in time.”)

 

Really? Ya think? Shocking...

 

It's how Selig dealt with steroids all those years.

[Carpin]

From Jay Jaffe:

 

While Beltrán was not mentioned by name in Rosenthal and Drelich’s January 7 report of the Red Sox’s own sign-stealing efforts, last week I noted that it was possible to connect the dots between him and the timeline laid out by The Athletic’s intrepid pair. “As far back as 2015, the Yankees used the video replay room to learn other teams’ sign sequences, multiple sources told The Athletic. Other teams likely were doing the same. Sources said the Red Sox began doing it no later than 2016.” Beltrán played for the Yankees from 2014-16 before being traded to the Rangers on August 1 of the latter year; he signed with the Astros in December 2016.

 

Such circumstantial evidence hardly proves Beltrán’s involvement in New York, but as noted within that article, player movement from team to team appears to have played a significant role in the proliferation of electronic sign-stealing efforts throughout the game. “Oftentimes it takes a player to show up and be like ‘You f—— morons, you’re not doing this?’” one American League executive told The Athletic.

 

(Needless to say, reports of the Yankees’ 2015 participation should also serve as a reminder that the apparent guilt of the Astros and Red Sox may be the tip of the iceberg in this mess, a point that The Athletic has frequently underscored but that appeared to escape Manfred back in November when he said he had “no reason to believe it extends beyond the Astros at this point in time.”)

 

They need to investigate further, if the Yankees or any other team benefited from this, they have to pay the price. It's looking more and more that many teams were doing the same crap.

 

If the commissioner is serious about this, he needs to investigate this matter all the way. My guess, is that the MLB stops at the Red Sox, unless some players who was/is with the Yankees or any other team comes forward and blows the whistle on them, I don't think anonymous sources will be enough.

[Slasher9]

Quick, someone go on the Yankees forum and start a thread called 2015 Yankees cheating scandal...

 

hahahaha. + 2 points.

[jung]

They need to investigate further, if the Yankees or any other team benefited from this, they have to pay the price. It's looking more and more that many teams were doing the same crap.

 

If the commissioner is serious about this, he needs to investigate this matter all the way. My guess, is that the MLB stops at the Red Sox, unless some players who was/is with the Yankees or any other team comes forward and blows the whistle on them, I don't think anonymous sources will be enough.

 

They absolutely need to investigate further. Even if over 60% of teams are doing it, they league needs to protect the 40% of teams that are not and protect the game itself.

 

You give hitters in game, real time forewarning to the FB v offspeed/breaking pitch and you have corrupted the game at its core, right at the pitcher/hitter match up. It represents IMO, the single greatest mutation and advantage for the hitters and thus any group of players vs another group of players in professional team sports. Not sure I can think of anything that would come close including the Pats and Spygate.

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

hahahaha. + 2 points.

 

Two serious questions: if Beltran -- that despicable lying lowlife scum of the earth who should be banned for infinity (as some believe of all these accomplices) -- was involved with cheating on the Yankees in '15, and then rehired as an advisor in '19, how does Cashman possibly keep his job?

Maybe Boone is in the clear, because before managing he was in the broadcast booth (where he became good pals with Cora -- the Joker and the Penguin?).

 

But how long before Girardi and his new Cubbies go mutual??