David Price...

[mvp 78]

Really now!! So the Red Sox have not created a buyers market on Price further depressing his value.

 

This sentence is gobbledygook.

[mvp 78]

He has value because of the laws of supply and demand. The Dodgers and the Angels need a starting pitcher and they have lots of money, and Price is now the best one available. Bloom is just waiting them out.

 

"But they know that the Red Sox want to trade him so they will just decide to lowball the Red Sox even though they really want Price because they know the Red Sox want to shed salary!"

[Elktonnick]

This sentence is gobbledygook.

 

Really now!!!! I guess if you can't refute it you just say you don't understand it. It is really is quite simple. The Red Sox have made too much of the fact that they are desperate to get below the Lux Tax. So they are easier pickings. Teams will continue to make low ball offers waiting to see how desperate they really are.

 

BTW If I ever sell my house remind me not to hire you as my real estate agent.

[Bellhorn04]

Really now!!!! I guess if you can't refute it you just say you don't understand it. It is really is quite simple. The Red Sox have made too much of the fact that they are desperate to get below the Lux Tax. So they are easier pickings. Teams will continue to make low ball offers waiting to see how desperate they really are.

 

If they were as desperate as you make out, it's kind of funny nothing has happened yet.

 

Now you can revert back to 'Bloom is indecisive' mode.

[Elktonnick]

If they were as desperate as you make out, it's kind of funny nothing has happened yet.

 

Now you can revert back to 'Bloom is indecisive' mode.

Why should anyone deal with the Red Sox now when the price on Price is likely to fall even further as we get closer to the opening of Spring Training. BTW Bloom hasnt done anything to prove he is decisive now has he? Other than dumpster diving he hasn't done anything.

[notin]

Hill got 3-48, he didn’t earn 3-48. My bet is the Dodgers would have rather not have signed him for that.

 

And I bet the Yankees would have reneged on it...

[mvp 78]

Really now!!!! I guess if you can't refute it you just say you don't understand it. It is really is quite simple. The Red Sox have made too much of the fact that they are desperate to get below the Lux Tax. So they are easier pickings. Teams will continue to make low ball offers waiting to see how desperate they really are.

 

BTW If I ever sell my house remind me not to hire you as my real estate agent.

 

If you don't understand that saying "the Red Sox have not created a buyer's market" is completely ignorant as to how markets work, then I'm glad I'm not your real estate agent. You're like the house in my neighborhood that hasn't sold for over a year since they are asking for top dollar even though house that needs a complete remodel on the inside. The biggest problem with Price is his age, injury history and salary (just like in the house example). The Sox will only trade Price if the return makes sense. If the Angels (or whoever) only want to pay a certain amount for Price, the Sox will have to decide if it's worth it. The Sox can't just say "well, we have Price but we don't REALLY want to trade him to you" because it wouldn't increase the value of Price in a trade. If they say they want to trade him it has no affect whatsoever on Price's value in the market. Just like how the owners of the house that isn't selling would have no impact on a sale if they said "we're a really motivated seller and we really want to move." The market is the market. If there are other houses/pitchers on the market, a buy may just find another deal they find more preferable. If there is scarcity (as with Price), the value of Price is higher than if there are a lot of comparable pitchers that are available (and it doesn't seem that there are).

 

The Red Sox have not and can not create a buyer's or seller's market. The only way there'd be a buyer's market for Price is if there was a surplus of arms available. There isn't. The fact that the Sox want to shed payroll has no impact on them being able to move Price or as to what the return for a deal would be.

[mvp 78]

Why should anyone deal with the Red Sox now when the price on Price is likely to fall even further as we get closer to the opening of Spring Training. BTW Bloom hasnt done anything to prove he is decisive now has he? Other than dumpster diving he hasn't done anything.

 

Why would the price fall as we get closer to Spring Training? There'd be less arms available at that point and pitchers always get injured.

[jacksonianmarch]

A buyers market means there’s a surplus of sellers and the buyers can get a better price. So in effect, you don’t want a buyers market for Price.

 

I honestly think Bloom is trying to get Price 2018 level return from teams and he’s probably got to get that to move him, realistically. I also think that the market doesn’t support that as Price is coming off a bad season for the most part with poor health and surgery to his throwing wrist.

 

The one thing Price has done the last two seasons is start strongly. If the Sox deal off Bradley and keep their pitching as is, they can still sneak under the lux tax limit if they move Price by July 1. But, if the Sox are in playoff position, then it behooves the Sox to keep the band together. I actually applaud Bloom for not selling low.

[Elktonnick]

Why would the price fall as we get closer to Spring Training? There'd be less arms available at that point and pitchers always get injured.

 

The proof will be what Price actually goes for or if they can move him at all. That fact is that if he is as you say damaged goods than it is all the more reason that the Res Sox will have to unload him at bargain basement prices. I just do not see any team having any incentive to trade for Price at this time. It seems the only ones who think Price is worth anything are Red Sox fans.

[OH FOY]

I always see injuries to Pitchers in Spring Training.

[harmony]

Why would the price fall as we get closer to Spring Training? There'd be less arms available at that point and pitchers always get injured.

David Price carries the injury risk as well.

[Bellhorn04]

David Price carries the injury risk as well.

 

Not many pitchers don't.

[Donnie Sadler was short]

What if they cant or dont trade him. Im curious how is attitude/etc would be after reading for months how they wanted to move him. he is sullen on his best days.

[harmony]

From Mark Feinsand of MLB.com:

Boston has had plenty of interest in the left-hander, though it remains to be seen how much of his contract the club would need to pay down to move him. The Red Sox could probably move Price without eating too much salary if they take a below-market return, though it seems more likely they would take a decent-sized contract back -- think Wil Myers in San Diego or Matt Carpenter in St. Louis -- in a deal. The Dodgers could include A.J. Pollock in a trade, but the Angels, Brewers and Twins don’t have a similar contract to move.

Starting pitching market after big free agent signings

WWW.MLB.COM

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Hyun-Jin Ryu is on the Blue Jays. Dallas Keuchel is set to become a member of the White Sox rotation. Madison Bumgarner will pitch for the D-backs. So what now for the other pitching-needy teams? For weeks, we’ve heard that the Angels, Dodgers, Brewers and Twins were looking to add

[harmony]

He has value because of the laws of supply and demand. The Dodgers and the Angels need a starting pitcher and they have lots of money, and Price is now the best one available. Bloom is just waiting them out.

MLB.com columnist Mark Feinsand today listed David Price among six pitchers possibly available in trade. Here is the list with Baseball Trade Values valuations and Steamer projected 2020 WAR:

 

David Price: negative $60 million, 2.6 WAR in 164 innings

Mike Clevinger: $82.5 million, 4.2 WAR in 197 innings

Robbie Ray: $21.7 million, 2.7 WAR in 174 innings

Matthew Boyd: $37.7 million, 3.1 WAR in 183 innings

Chris Archer: $3 million, 3.0 WAR in 180 innings

Jon Gray: $37.7 million, 3.5 WAR in 186 innings

Starting pitching market after big free agent signings

WWW.MLB.COM

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Hyun-Jin Ryu is on the Blue Jays. Dallas Keuchel is set to become a member of the White Sox rotation. Madison Bumgarner will pitch for the D-backs. So what now for the other pitching-needy teams? For weeks, we’ve heard that the Angels, Dodgers, Brewers and Twins were looking to add

 

https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/team-values/

 

https://www.fangraphs.com/projections.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&type=steamer&team=0&lg=all&players=0

Edited December 24, 2019 by harmony

[Elktonnick]

From Mark Feinsand of MLB.com:

 

Starting pitching market after big free agent signings

WWW.MLB.COM

---

Hyun-Jin Ryu is on the Blue Jays. Dallas Keuchel is set to become a member of the White Sox rotation. Madison Bumgarner will pitch for the D-backs. So what now for the other pitching-needy teams? For weeks, we’ve heard that the Angels, Dodgers, Brewers and Twins were looking to add

I have been hearing this for almost two months now.I

Let us see when and if a deal gets done.

[moonslav59]

This trade was accepted on Baseball Tradevalues:

 

Price, Chavis & Decker

 

for

 

Cueto, Belt, Dubon (pre-arb), Yaz (pre-arb), Gott (pre-arb)

 

The money:

 

Price: $96M/3

JBJ: $11.3M/1 (arb est.)

$107M (4 yrs combined) - Lux Tax $42.3M

 

Cueto: $42M/2 ($21.7M x 2 LUX)

Belt: $34.2M/2 ($14.6M x 2 LUX)

$76.2M (4 yrs combined)- Lux Tax: $35.3M

 

We save $31M and $7M per year on the Lux tax for 2 years, then $31M year 3.

 

I'm not expecting anything from Cueto, but he balances some of Price's money owed.

 

Yaz in Boston might be a nice fit. Belt and Dubon would start at 1B and 2B for 2 yrs (Belt) & 3+ yrs (Dubon). Gott might help the pen.

[oldtimer]

This trade was accepted on Baseball Tradevalues:

 

Price, Chavis & Decker

 

for

 

Cueto, Belt, Dubon (pre-arb), Yaz (pre-arb), Gott (pre-arb)

 

The money:

 

Price: $96M/3

JBJ: $11.3M/1 (arb est.)

$107M (4 yrs combined) - Lux Tax $42.3M

 

Cueto: $42M/2 ($21.7M x 2 LUX)

Belt: $34.2M/2 ($14.6M x 2 LUX)

$76.2M (4 yrs combined)- Lux Tax: $35.3M

 

We save $31M and $7M per year on the Lux tax for 2 years, then $31M year 3.

 

I'm not expecting anything from Cueto, but he balances some of Price's money owed.

 

Yaz in Boston might be a nice fit. Belt and Dubon would start at 1B and 2B for 2 yrs (Belt) & 3+ yrs (Dubon). Gott might help the pen.

 

Maybe we will see a deal (not just the one you mention) before the end of the year so we can shift into thinking about filling CF, BU Catcher and the like. I do think JBJ is traded, but not necessarily tied into the Price move.

[moonslav59]

Here's another one:

 

Price $96M/3 ($31M x 3 LUX)

JBJ ($11.3M arb)

Walden (pre-arb)

Total: $107M (LUX: $42.3M year 1, $31M yrs 2 and 3)

 

for

McCutchen $40M/2 (LUX $16.7M x 2)

Robertson $11.5M/1 ($11.5M)

Herrera $20.2M/2 ($6.1M x 2)

Marchan (minors C)

Britto (minors 2B)

Total: $72M (LUX: 34.3M year 1, $22.8M year 2, $0 year 3)

 

On the Lux Tax we save $8M in 2020, $8.2M in '21 and $31M year 3

 

We add a solid RP'er for 1 year.

 

We add 2 OF'ers to replace JBJ, and possibly set ourselves up for a Betts trade.

 

We add some minor league depth at catcher and 2B.

 

[S5Dewey]

What if they cant or dont trade him. Im curious how is attitude/etc would be after reading for months how they wanted to move him. he is sullen on his best days.

 

There's a lot to be said for this ^^^ post. Price isn't Mr. Rogers and a ray of sunshine on his good days. If he ends up playing for a team that made him feel unwelcome by trying to trade him...

[mvp 78]

David Price carries the injury risk as well.

 

No s***?

[mvp 78]

David Price carries the injury risk as well.

 

 

Big if true!

[mvp 78]

David Price carries the injury risk as well.

 

 

You think?

[moonslav59]

You think?

 

I'm glad he informed us.

 

We'd never have known had an outsider not given us such a deep insight!

[harmony]

Why would the price fall as we get closer to Spring Training? There'd be less arms available at that point and pitchers always get injured.

Brilliant!

[Elktonnick]

Brilliant!

That's why the price of Christmas trees always goes up on December 24 th.

[moonslav59]

Brilliant!

 

Those February injuries run rampant!

[mvp 78]

Favorite Sox injuries:

 

taking out the trash

sleeping with baby

putting cowboy boots on

[moonslav59]

Favorite Sox injuries:

 

taking out the trash

sleeping with baby

putting cowboy boots on

 

Didn't someone cut their foot getting out of bed?

 

Someone else opening a screen door?