Calling All Budgies - the Red Sox 2020 payroll thread

[moonslav59]

People need to keep this in mind. The budget matters. It doesn't matter how much money Henry has, he is not going to spend without limit.

 

This is the reason why you don't give Mookie a $420 mil contract.

 

What will you say, if they do give $400+M next winter?

[Kimmi]

What will you say, if they do give $400+M next winter?

 

I will not be happy.

[Kimmi]

What will you say, if they do give $400+M next winter?

 

Also, if the Sox do give him $400+ mil, prepare for another cliff in about 2028.

[moonslav59]

Also, if the Sox do give him $400+ mil, prepare for another cliff in about 2028.

 

Perhaps sooner. Maybe by year 3 of the lux tax overage, assuming the lux tax is still around.

[a700hitter]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/02/grading-the-mookie-betts-trade.html

[S5Dewey]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/02/grading-the-mookie-betts-trade.html

 

So... Is Verdugo the heir apparent to RF in Fenway? Does Castillo enter into the mix anywhere?

[moonslav59]

So... Is Verdugo the heir apparent to RF in Fenway? Does Castillo enter into the mix anywhere?

 

If we don't add any big salaries, why not give Castillo a shot?

[mvp 78]

If we don't add any big salaries, why not give Castillo a shot?

 

Prevents in season moves. Prevents Devers/ERod extension.

[Hitch]

It’s not that. Henry find another few outside guys to spend lavishly on after a few lackluster years.

 

This damn Henry and all the success he's brought us! What a bastard!

[Hitch]

People need to keep this in mind. The budget matters. It doesn't matter how much money Henry has, he is not going to spend without limit.

 

This is the reason why you don't give Mookie a $420 mil contract.

 

Yup. It made smart business sense to get under the cap, the sense will allow us to compete strongly again, even if do have to take a year out.

[mvp 78]

This damn Henry and all the success he's brought us! What a bastard!

 

Because of Henry’s greatness, we can’t re-sign one of three best players in the game.

[Hitch]

Because of Henry’s greatness, we can’t re-sign one of three best players in the game.

 

I mean, that's just factually incorrect isn't it? Because of this possible move we can re-sign him next year. Whether we will or not we will have to see.

 

Mistakes were made, there's no question on that. I'm okay with the idea that this can happen, especially considering the WS rings we've accumulated these past 15/16 years.

[mvp 78]

I’m not ok that the largest payroll team can’t keep their best player. I’ll never be ok with that.

[mvp 78]

Mookie should have been a Red Sox lifer regardless of lux tax issues. They should have foreseen this and not signed Eovaldi, Sale extension and JBJ tendering.

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie should have been a Red Sox lifer regardless of lux tax issues. They should have foreseen this and not signed Eovaldi, Sale extension and JBJ tendering.

 

It's a two-way street though. They did make some extension offers to Mookie and the last one was very legit as an opening offer.

 

There's no indication that being a Red Sox lifer meant a thing to Mookie. He wants the max payday from whoever is willing to pay it.

[Hitch]

It's a two-way street though. They did make some extension offers to Mookie and the last one was very legit as an opening offer.

 

There's no indication that being a Red Sox lifer meant a thing to Mookie. He wants the max payday from whoever is willing to pay it.

 

Exactly this. Some seem to have more loyalty towards Betts than the team itself. Mookie doesn't feel the same way. He's taking the biggest offer next year, whoever gives it.

[mvp 78]

It's a two-way street though. They did make some extension offers to Mookie and the last one was very legit as an opening offer.

 

There's no indication that being a Red Sox lifer meant a thing to Mookie. He wants the max payday from whoever is willing to pay it.

The Sox should pay it.

[mvp 78]

Exactly this. Some seem to have more loyalty towards Betts than the team itself. Mookie doesn't feel the same way. He's taking the biggest offer next year, whoever gives it.

 

Love to root for a jersey rather than the human being in the jersey!

[Bellhorn04]

Love to root for a jersey rather than the human being in the jersey!

 

We root for the jerseys, and the players root for their contracts.

[Slasher9]

Because of Henry’s greatness, we can’t re-sign one of three best players in the game.

 

thanks DD!

[Slasher9]

It's a two-way street though. They did make some extension offers to Mookie and the last one was very legit as an opening offer.

 

There's no indication that being a Red Sox lifer meant a thing to Mookie. He wants the max payday from whoever is willing to pay it.

 

as our old friend Bill would say....BINGO DAT!

[mvp 78]

We root for the jerseys, and the players root for their contracts.

 

Dystopian nightmare.

 

This CBA sucks. Ownership sucks. The whole baseball culture sucks.

[mvp 78]

thanks DD!

 

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[Slasher9]

When you realize that Henry had finally say on all of those contracts.....................

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yes, but i would imagine JH actually...i dont know....took the advice of his President of Baseball Operations?

[mvp 78]

yes, but i would imagine JH actually...i dont know....took the advice of his President of Baseball Operations?

 

Yes, but I would imagine JH would realize the implications of those contracts and how it affects the luxury tax. Ultimately, it's his call because he's the boss.

[notin]

When you realize that Henry had finally say on all of those contracts.....................

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But was he overlording DD the entire time or just rubber stamping an approval for an employee he trusted at the time?

[moonslav59]

Prevents in season moves. Prevents Devers/ERod extension.

 

We're $21M under. Castillo's AVV is $10.3M.

 

It depends on how much we might want to add.

 

We could also wait until mid season to decide. We'd know, if we want to add other salaries by then, and Castillo's money would be lessened by prorating.

[moonslav59]

I’m not ok that the largest payroll team can’t keep their best player. I’ll never be ok with that.

 

Thanks DD.

[mvp 78]

But was he overlording DD the entire time or just rubber stamping an approval for an employee he trusted at the time?

 

Is there a difference?

 

Being a rubber stamp is giving your approval to the move without thinking about it. That doesn't remove your responsibility. Arguably, that could be worse than lording over.

[moonslav59]

Is there a difference?

 

Being a rubber stamp is giving your approval to the move without thinking about it. That doesn't remove your responsibility. Arguably, that could be worse than lording over.

 

They both are to blame, but DD is the one who presented the idea to Henry.

 

DD has a history of leaving franchises in poor financial condition upon being shown the door.