The JD opt out

[Slasher9]

Sox not going to offer JD another contract.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10/jd-martinezs-opt-out-boston-red-sox-havent-made-new-contract-offer-have-5-day-exclusive-window-at-start-of-mlb-free-agency.html?fbclid=IwAR0Xjb8WmiGPp90t_frrxKUA2VWQjZYZ9co1blMqx9oswNTdZdhHME49AM0

 

boras will 100% have him opt out. boras gets paid on the total $ not on the AAV.

hopefully we get a gem in the 4th round.....

[notin]

Sox not going to offer JD another contract.

 

https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2019/10/jd-martinezs-opt-out-boston-red-sox-havent-made-new-contract-offer-have-5-day-exclusive-window-at-start-of-mlb-free-agency.html?fbclid=IwAR0Xjb8WmiGPp90t_frrxKUA2VWQjZYZ9co1blMqx9oswNTdZdhHME49AM0

 

It doesn't say they won't, just that they haven't. It does say that they met with Boras, and it was implied that it was about Martinez.

 

If JD does opt out and receives a QO, it gives Boston the upper hand in negotiating, as the QO can stifle interest from a lot of teams. Bear in mind 2 years ago, Martinez drew very little interest when he was younger, still playing the field, and did not have a QO attached...

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

If the MLB still uses the superball, then 30-homer guys won't be hard to find at various prices and ages. Low budget teams like the Rays -- or frugal-minded Bloom clubs -- might rather rotate several players at DH, where cumulative production may be part of a plan. Boras' case will undoubtedly be that JD is arguably the best in baseball at his position. Who's better? Cruz... not the parrot or Kris Davis... Vogelbach made the All-Star team and walks a lot, but hit a hundred points lower. Martinez can't keep himself from flailing at sliders down and away, but he still has a solid approach, great work habits and impacts the batting order in positive ways on and off the field, talking hitting and helping teammates improve.

 

JD is making a hundred million dollars in a city with devoted fan attendance and a management committed to competing, but if he wants to work somewhere with warmer weather for a few mil more, then we'll thank him for his service and -- like many others before him -- see him after retirement when he comes back for events and reunions in the best place he ever played...

[notin]

If the MLB still uses the superball, then 30-homer guys won't be hard to find at various prices and ages. Low budget teams like the Rays -- or frugal-minded Bloom clubs -- might rather rotate several players at DH, where cumulative production may be part of a plan. Boras' case will undoubtedly be that JD is arguably the best in baseball at his position. Who's better? Cruz... not the parrot or Kris Davis... Vogelbach made the All-Star team and walks a lot, but hit a hundred points lower. Martinez can't keep himself from flailing at sliders down and away, but he still has a solid approach, great work habits and impacts the batting order in positive ways on and off the field, talking hitting and helping teammates improve.

 

JD is making a hundred million dollars in a city with devoted fan attendance and a management committed to competing, but if he wants to work somewhere with warmer weather for a few mil more, then we'll thank him for his service and -- like many others before him -- see him after retirement when he comes back for events and reunions in the best place he ever played...

 

Certainly JD is more than just a HR hitter, but there is certainly something to teams not valuing the HR like they did. CJ Cron has hit 55 home runs in the past 2 seasons and is a candidate to get non-tendered for the second season in a row.

 

(And might even be on Bloom's radar for this reason.)

[Swiharts Ghost]

Is it possible to restructure deal for less AAV and more years with maybe a modest 15 million in added value ? Not sure if union accepts this ? Worth a try maybe ? .if not Cya JD

[Kimmi]

Is it possible to restructure deal for less AAV and more years with maybe a modest 15 million in added value ? Not sure if union accepts this ? Worth a try maybe ? .if not Cya JD

 

It's possible. For me, the best part of signing JD is that the contract was relatively short term for a player of his caliber. It would be a mistake, IMO, for the Sox to add any more years to the deal. I'd hate to lose him, but let's not make the mistake of adding more years to the contract in order to keep him.

[notin]

Is it possible to restructure deal for less AAV and more years with maybe a modest 15 million in added value ? Not sure if union accepts this ? Worth a try maybe ? .if not Cya JD

 

Absolutely it’s legal. The Union doesn’t care about AAV, just money...

[Nick]

It's possible. For me, the best part of signing JD is that the contract was relatively short term for a player of his caliber. It would be a mistake, IMO, for the Sox to add any more years to the deal. I'd hate to lose him, but let's not make the mistake of adding more years to the contract in order to keep him.

 

I agree....it's possible that JD opts out for bigger money and has great couple of years....good for him.

 

Fans forget that under normal circumstances (ie we've overspent) we are GAINING JD's salary...$22-24M....enough to acuqire another bat.

 

His contract was excellent for both sides.

[notin]

The one big plus to JD opting out is it lessens the likelihood of a Mookie trade

[Swiharts Ghost]

I agree with everyone on this just wish would could afford both ....

[OH FOY]

If he doesn't Opt out, then the crap will hit the fan.

[notin]

If he doesn't Opt out, then the crap will hit the fan.

 

Why?

 

I fully expect him to not opt out, and then opt out after 2020 when his salary drops by $4mill and he will find it easier to get a contract in excess of his remaining money, which is only 2 years $39.5 mill....

[notin]

I agree....it's possible that JD opts out for bigger money and has great couple of years....good for him.

 

Fans forget that under normal circumstances (ie we've overspent) we are GAINING JD's salary...$22-24M....enough to acuqire another bat.

 

His contract was excellent for both sides.

 

The Sox are only gaining it if they chose to actually spend it. But if he does opt out, and they do try to acquire a replacement, what other bats will the Sox get to replace him? Edwin Encarnacion? Todd Frazier? Corey Dickerson? Jose Abreu is unlikely, as there is mutual interest in a return to Chicago.

 

They're better off with Martinez.

 

Keeping Mookie would be nice. But that's is the only scenario where I would want JD to opt out...

[moonslav59]

Why?

 

I fully expect him to not opt out, and then opt out after 2020 when his salary drops by $4mill and he will find it easier to get a contract in excess of his remaining money, which is only 2 years $39.5 mill....

 

I agree, despite the $2.5M buy out this winter and no buy out next winter.

 

If he's concerned about getting hurt next year, he may decide to opt out and go for the largest total money package.

[OH FOY]

Bloom will work around existing Good cheap Core players. Bogaerts, Devers, E-Rod, Benni, possibly Vazquez too. I think everyone else is available, even if he has to eat some money, to get better Prospects. (Price, Sale).

Bloom is probably hoping he Opts out. If he doesn't he'll shop him all year.

Edited October 30, 2019 by OH FOY!

[notin]

Bloom will work around existing Good cheap Core players. Bogaerts, Devers, E-Rod, Benni, possibly Vazquez too. I think everyone else is available, even if he has to eat some money, to get better Prospects. (Price, Sale).

Bloom is probably hoping he Opts out. If he doesn't he'll shop him all year.

 

I'm not so sure even moving Price or Sale gets back much, even if the Sox eat prospects, unless either pitcher really shows something. While I've thrown out a Wil Myers-Price trade as making sense for both teams (and working out without cash on baseballtradevalues.com), I don't actually expect it to happen.

 

I think we already know who 4 of the starters will be. And the catcher and infield are likely already on the team as well. The only question marks are the outfield and bullpen and the last starter (plus some depth)...

[OH FOY]

This team is tough to evaluate, went from extreme to the other. Injuries, Age, Talent, over evaluating certain players?

I think Bloom has tough job, if Henry wants to cut money, so much easier for Bloom if JD opts out.

[notin]

This team is tough to evaluate, went from extreme to the other. Injuries, Age, Talent, over evaluating certain players?

I think Bloom has tough job, if Henry wants to cut money, so much easier for Bloom if JD opts out.

 

Absolutely it will be easier.

 

But will it be easier to field a good team and cut money if JD opts out?

[OH FOY]

He's cutting money, get this through the Fans Heads. He's not going to follow DD's blueprint.

That why he was hired.

[OH FOY]

Mookie is suppose to get 30, after arbitration, how much do, Combine salaries of JD, Sale and Price add up after that, for 4 players?

[Bellhorn04]

Mookie is suppose to get 30, after arbitration, how much do, Combine salaries of JD, Sale and Price add up after that, for 4 players?

 

AAV's

 

Price 31

Mookie 30

Sale 25.6

JD 22

Total 108.6

[OH FOY]

AAV's

 

Price 31

Mookie 30

Sale 25.6

JD 22

Total 108.6

 

Thanks, I just see, him trying to cut that down, while trying to build the farm with Trades, and eating some cash. Maybe package a Trade of 2, I don't know, be innovative. Keep working with advisors, and the phones. Betts and Price to Atlanta, eat some cash on Price, not a bad 3 starter for them. And let the Braves work on extension with Betts. They have a good Farm System. I don't know. Maybe get 1 cheap starting player back, whether, Pitcher or Positional.

[notin]

Thanks, I just see, him trying to cut that down, while trying to build the farm with Trades, and eating some cash. Maybe package a Trade of 2, I don't know, be innovative. Keep working with advisors, and the phones. Betts and Price to Atlanta, eat some cash on Price, not a bad 3 starter for them. And let the Braves work on extension with Betts. They have a good Farm System. I don't know. Maybe get 1 cheap starting player back, whether, Pitcher or Positional.

 

According to Matt Cerrone, the Sox asking price for Betts was 1 mid-rotation starter, 1 outfielder, and 2 top 100 prospects.

 

That's a pretty steep asking price. Even if the Sox waiver a bit on the whole "top 100" thing, there is no way to get anything close to that and include Price in the deal without paying so much money that it defeats the purpose of including Price.

 

If the Sox deal Mookie, it's best to do so in a package that nets them the best prospects, and if those prospects are MLB-ready, their minimum wage salary helps offset the cost of Price...

[fxkatt]

I read news item about possibility of Price to Texas for Choo and Odor (5 million tax savings) Choo wd replace JD and Odor could play second. I believe Choo is in last year of contract (20 million)

 

I checked and 2020 is the final year of Choo's contract. perfect fit. Odor has 2-3 more years on his.

Edited October 30, 2019 by fxkatt

[5GoldGlovesOF,75]

According to Matt Cerrone, the Sox asking price for Betts was 1 mid-rotation starter, 1 outfielder, and 2 top 100 prospects.

 

That's a pretty steep asking price. Even if the Sox waiver a bit on the whole "top 100" thing, there is no way to get anything close to that and include Price in the deal without paying so much money that it defeats the purpose of including Price.

 

If the Sox deal Mookie, it's best to do so in a package that nets them the best prospects, and if those prospects are MLB-ready, their minimum wage salary helps offset the cost of Price...

 

The package Boston demands for Betts has to be steep, or they're better off keeping him at the value he'll produce in his salary-drive walk-year smack-dab in his prime. I totally agree that MLB-ready prospects have to be part of the deal to best ensure a competitive team in 2020 and beyond. But there will be very few clubs willing to give up so much unless they really think they can sign Mookie and that he'll be the missing piece to put them over the top. Which teams are title-contenders loaded with prospects and money?

[Bellhorn04]

According to Matt Cerrone, the Sox asking price for Betts was 1 mid-rotation starter, 1 outfielder, and 2 top 100 prospects.

 

That's a pretty steep asking price.

 

Yep, that's crazy steep.

[notin]

The package Boston demands for Betts has to be steep, or they're better off keeping him at the value he'll produce in his salary-drive walk-year smack-dab in his prime. I totally agree that MLB-ready prospects have to be part of the deal to best ensure a competitive team in 2020 and beyond. But there will be very few clubs willing to give up so much unless they really think they can sign Mookie and that he'll be the missing piece to put them over the top. Which teams are title-contenders loaded with prospects and money?

 

Dodgers and Braves leap to mind. Also, the Reds have some good prospects and are already all in for 2020 with their acquisition of Trevor Bauer. And their outfield is a definite weakness...

[kenmeister]

I read news item about possibility of Price to Texas for Choo and Odor (5 million tax savings) Choo wd replace JD and Odor could play second. I believe Choo is in last year of contract (20 million)

 

Interesting!

[moonslav59]

I read news item about possibility of Price to Texas for Choo and Odor (5 million tax savings) Choo wd replace JD and Odor could play second. I believe Choo is in last year of contract (20 million)

 

I have to believe more money would have to go to Texas.

 

Choo has one year left at $21M, and Odor has an 8.25 luxury tax hit x 3 years. He also has a team option for 2023 at $13.5M with a $3.5M buyout. We'd be robbing the Rangers blind.

 

Odor hit 30 HRs (.721 OPS) this year and Choo 24 (.826 OPS). I'm sure his .205 BA would frustrate many Sox fans, but he is young and hit .253 in 2018. (BTW, Chavis hit just .221 second half.)

 

[moonslav59]

Yep, that's crazy steep.

 

If the OF'er is not all that great and the 2 prospects are lower than #80, I don't think it's "crazy."