Red Sox have fired GM Dave Dombrowski

[jacksonianmarch]

I really don't think it's that complicated. They didn't think he was the guy for what needs to be done next.

 

Exactly. DD is the win now guy. If the answer to the current situation right now is a rebuild, he isn't your guy. I do think the timing was on DD, and I think some semblance of what Gammons said is true. DD went to Henry and asked what his status was heading into a lame duck year. He likely didn't get the response he wanted and they decided to part ways. DD saw the writing on the wall and likely didn't want to waste his time

[moonslav59]

John Bolton is now available.

[Slasher9]

I really don't think it's that complicated. They didn't think he was the guy for what needs to be done next.

 

plus he apparently didnt play nice with the other honchos. didnt really give them much of a reason to not fire him.

[Bellhorn04]

plus he apparently didnt play nice with the other honchos. didnt really give them much of a reason to not fire him.

 

Sounds that way.

[notin]

plus he apparently didnt play nice with the other honchos. didnt really give them much of a reason to not fire him.

 

And he wrote the final season to "Game of Thrones"...

[Jack Flap]

John Bolton is now available.

 

How about Roose Bolton?

[notin]

John Bolton is now available.

 

Great. The Sox can go to war with the United Nations...

[notin]

How about Roose Bolton?

 

Nice combining it with my Game of Thrones joke...

[Nick]

So if it wasn't for DD, we would have won the whole thing again?

 

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay then! Problem solved.

[Bellhorn04]

So if it wasn't for DD, we would have won the whole thing again?

 

Okaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay then! Problem solved.

 

Somehow I don't think anybody said that.

[vegasbob]

While you may be correct, I do think the subject of the manager and coaching staff will be a major question to whomever is interviewed for Dombrowski's old job. Remember DD didn't fire Farrell immediately when he was first hired. I suspect whomever is eventually hired will be allowed some discretion as to the manager and coaching staff as was allowed Dombrowski.

 

I would guess Cora stays but the coaches get some reshuffling. Levangie has to be under a hot microscope. Don't know the relationships between players and the coaches. A few key players (Bogey, Devers, Martinez) could influence it. I think Cora will get one year to see if about 70% of the 40 man roster ( 28 of 40)being carried over can be remotivated. So much now depends on off season trades, maybe one or two FA's max, and arbitration award amounts vs tax.

[notin]

Somehow I don't think anybody said that.

 

I'll say it.

 

If it wasn't for DD the Red Sox would win the World Series. Also, if not for DD, the Bruins would have won the Stanley Cup, Gary Johnson would have won the 2016 Presidential election, and Tyrion would have been named King of Westeros.

 

I think that sums it up...

[vegasbob]

Sounds like some sort of honorary thing.

 

I think Lucchino gets a bad rap on message boards as some guy who knows nothing about baseball, but he is a career sports exectuive with World Series rings and a Super Bowl ring and a Final Four championship under his belt. He knws what he is doing.

 

But I don't know if stepping down was his idea or not. Why do so mid-season? And was it a "lucky break" for the Sox that the Tigers had recently fired his replacement?

 

He may have been experienced across multiple sports but he was an arrogant prick pain in the ass who finally irritated JH one too many times. The Pawsox was his going away gift. This from an insider who knew him well, a few years ago.

[vegasbob]

I really don't think it's that complicated. They didn't think he was the guy for what needs to be done next.

 

In the moment of a beat down by the Yankees happening in front of them DD may have pushed the button too hard on his own situation (extension) at which time someone in ownership said, "What about this s*** performance and where's all your big time contract players?" DD , with a lot of built up frustration over this season, said " f*** you too". After a quiet moment JH said, get your things together tonight because we are done. Whatever, you have seen it in business and marriages as well, I suspect. The long slow simmer building up to the eruption.

[jung]

Rumors abound that DD had another possible iron in the fire and wanted to know where he stood with ownership.

 

The situation was entirely untenable whether DD had another iron in the fire or not. DD would have been a lame duck in 2020. That would not do and I seriously doubt DD would have accepted a one year extension. I seriously doubt Henry would have offered it.

 

"Pressing me for an answer DD? Here's your answer."

 

Henry needs to make a statement though. Apparently Cora has been told he is staying and the team has been told that Cora will continue to be the Manager beyond this year. But Henry has some splainin' to do and avoiding the media ain't gonna' get it done.

 

The only way they can continue to stonewall the media would be to announce a new Pres of Ops immediately and then address all the questions in light of knowing the identity of the new guy. 4 guys named as having control (the current situation) is laughably absurd and won't hold for a nanosecond.

[Kimmi]

I don't understand the "move everyone except Devers" hysteria. You have players who are having excellent years and earning every nickel of their salaries: Boggaerts, Vasquez, Holt, Martinez. Mookie is also doing fine, just not MVP level. So is Benintendi. Why would you get rid of them? hoping, say, the depleted farm magically produces young players like ... say: Boggaerts, Vasquez, Mookie, Benintendi, Holt etc. ... and that the salaries of Sale, Price, and Castillo just as magically disappear, as of course will that of Pedroia, who will be happy not to have the millions in his guaranteed contract).

 

Thank you. The team is actually quite good, and could easily contend next year with good health and a few additions. Also, it is possible to rebuild the farm while staying in contention. It just won't be done overnight.

 

There is crazy talk talking place on this forum right now.

[Kimmi]

I hope the Sox promote the Woman as permanent GM, and not Romero. I'm serious about this. I can only go by my wife, she is Great, she save's me money, and always get the most bang for our buck.

This is exactly what the Sox need.

Believe me as Male I don't have this quality, just too impatient, don't mind spending and being stupid.

 

I love this post. Not because it's about a woman GM, but because you talk about getting the most bang for your buck. That has always been my motto when it comes to signing free agents.

[oldtimer]

It is confirmed that Cora will be back next year and he probably will have learned from what worked and what didn't this year. One wonders if there will be changes in any of the coaches though. Is it all on the players or are the coaches also held accountable when the results in their area of expertise are subpar? Thats up to the insiders on the team to answer as I doubt fans really have access to enough information to make an informed judgment.

 

Whoever the new GM is, I hope he has the strength of will to get rid of those who underperform whether they be players, coaches or even the manager.

[a700hitter]

I sincerely doubt that no one in baseball understands the reasoning behind this move.

I don't. I think it is dumb. DD made a terrible decision not building a BP this year, but as has been pointed out, the starting pitchers (a strength of 2018) fell well short on production. Also, they victimized themselves with the ill-advised "let's pretend the season starts May 1st" strategy. I think the dismissal was very premature.

[notin]

I don't. I think it is dumb. DD made a terrible decision not building a BP this year, but as has been pointed out, the starting pitchers (a strength of 2018) fell well short on production. Also, they victimized themselves with the ill-advised "let's pretend the season starts May 1st" strategy. I think the dismissal was very premature.

 

 

But the starters not only fell short on production, but were also VERY expensive in the process. In this year and the next 3 seasons, Sale, Price, and Eovaldi will be paid over $300 million combined. At that price, you can’t afford so many non-performers...

[notin]

I don't. I think it is dumb. DD made a terrible decision not building a BP this year, but as has been pointed out, the starting pitchers (a strength of 2018) fell well short on production. Also, they victimized themselves with the ill-advised "let's pretend the season starts May 1st" strategy. I think the dismissal was very premature.

 

What did Nathan Eovaldi ever do in his baseball life to justify a 4 year $68mill contract? Moves like that are on Dombrowski...

[moonslav59]

What did Nathan Eovaldi ever do in his baseball life to justify a 4 year $68mill contract? Moves like that are on Dombrowski...

 

That one extra inning game that we lost, but it caused the team to come together.

 

So much for "clubhouse chemistry."

[jung]

That one extra inning game that we lost, but it caused the team to come together.

 

So much for "clubhouse chemistry."

 

Nate's 7 innings of glory in an otherwise entirely unspectacular career.

 

So they were that far into a WS championship...something like 180 games in and were not as yet "together"?

 

They were doing what...basking in the warm afterglow of Nate's seven innings? Geezuz, give me tough athletes over pampered talent any day if that is the case.

 

How "together" have they looked this year?

 

Virtually an entire team contributes something to a successful WS effort. The post season is in fact the only time any longer that teams play even remotely like teams. Until then their "team" is something called the MLBPA.

 

Pay all of them then. Sign every member of the 2018 championship run to overblown contracts. Heck it appears that if DD could have, HE WOULD HAVE. Makes you wonder what Kimbrel and Kelly did wrong.

Edited September 11, 2019 by jung

[cp176]

John Bolton is now available.

 

...and there you go again. I see what you are doing.

[cp176]

Great. The Sox can go to war with the United Nations...

 

heading down the wrong path I'm afraid.

[cp176]

I understand why people disagree with many of the decisions that DD made. I don't necessarily disagree with many of his decisions at all but i think i get it. he doesn't do things the way some of you want to see them done.

I'm much more concerned with the overall performance of the existing team than I am with any of DD's decisions. They have not gotten the job done and on many occasions they have looked disinterested. This has nothing to do with DD. i could live with a .500 team if I felt that they left what they had on the field game in and game out. I don't think that they do. It is on the players and the coaches working with them. At some point in time, you just have to accept that it isn't the ownership nor is it the GM who does the job on the field. if you give the players and coaches a free pass, good for you. i don't. they have screwed up my summer. And oh yes, I would sign Chris Sale over and over again. he was paid far less than he deserved for way to long. You can criticize his performance all you want, at least when he is out there, he owns it and really seems to care.

[cp176]

Nate's 7 innings of glory in an otherwise entirely unspectacular career.

 

So they were that far into a WS championship...something like 180 games in and were not as yet "together"?

 

They were doing what...basking in the warm afterglow of Nate's seven innings? Geezuz, give me tough athletes over pampered talent any day if that is the case.

 

How "together" have they looked this year?

 

Virtually an entire team contributes something to a successful WS effort. The post season is in fact the only time any longer that teams play even remotely like teams. Until then their "team" is something called the MLBPA.

 

Pay all of them then. Sign every member of the 2018 championship run to overblown contracts. Heck it appears that if DD could have, HE WOULD HAVE. Makes you wonder what Kimbrel and Kelly did wrong.

 

 

So let me get this - you are implying that Dombrowski is responsible for a group of highly plaid talented athletes not playing as a team? what role do you think that Cora and his coaching staff plays in all of this?

[jung]

So let me get this - you are implying that Dombrowski is responsible for a group of highly plaid talented athletes not playing as a team? what role do you think that Cora and his coaching staff plays in all of this?

 

You guys have got to stop trying to psychoanalyze my posts. None of you are good at psychoanalyzing anything. I post what I mean and I mean what I post.

 

Nate's 7 innings of glory in an otherwise entirely unspectacular career.

A direct comment on signing Nate to 4/68 based on God only knows what...I guess "his seven innings of glory"

 

Pay all of them then. Sign every member of the 2018 championship run to overblown contracts. Heck it appears that if DD could have, HE WOULD HAVE. Makes you wonder what Kimbrel and Kelly did wrong.

 

That one and is a direct shot at DD signing his two late 2018 season and WS binkies. One being Nate to an overblown contract. The other being Pearce who should not have been signed AT ALL, Both obvious the day of their signings and made more so as the season progressed. In Pearce's case made obvious as soon as he showed for ST. Pearce by the way WAS NOT the WS MVP.

 

The two lines of my post that I have bolded are the only two that are directly aimed at DD.

 

As for the Sale signing....PREMATURE based on where Sale was physically if nothing else...His late season swoons had become legendary at that point and the Sox should have taken the time to see how 2019 panned out. How did 2019 pan out?

 

As for Sale being underpaid for a career....NOT THE SOX PROBLEM TO SOLVE.

[Larry33]

What did Nathan Eovaldi ever do in his baseball life to justify a 4 year $68mill contract? Moves like that are on Dombrowski...

 

Even a better question what did Rick Porcello ever do in baseball to justify his 4 year $82.5 mil dollar contract? That's just plain stupidity on the Red Sox part you can't throw mil dollar contracts on mediocre players or pitchers.

[oldtimer]

We didn't put our best team on the field last night. Cora chose to rest a couple of players. Owings is not ml caliber, makes you wonder why the Sox got him. We are going to be a well rested team in October sitting on the couch and watching the playoffs.

 

I do believe it is on the Mgr., coaches and players. I see little fire with maybe the exception of Mookie of late. A few young players who are out to make a splash would pick up this teams energy level if not talent. Our inability to score against so so pitching is equally hurting us.

 

Our new GM has got to be a bit of a hard ass to get things stirred up a bit and players seeing the game as more than a pay check.