The GM thread

[OH FOY]

Free Agent deals should be for no more then 1 year. That's it. Those are the best, usually the Player has to be proving themselves. Good enough. And if they are doing good, easier to deal them if Sox are out of it. Use them to start building the Farm.

Stay away from ANYTHING more then 3 years.

Personally I wouldn't go over anything for more then 2 years. Those are really the best.

Edited August 7, 2019 by OH FOY!

[notin]

We have a nice core of players to build around, especially if Sale, Price & Eovaldi give us something after the year off to rebuild. That is not impossible, given than none will be older than 34 or 35.

 

Betts (if re-signed)

Bogey

Devers

Beni

Vaz

ERod

Chavis

Maybe DHern, Chatham, Dalbec...

 

Add some serious FA signings, and I think 1 year is possible. Likely? Maybe not, but possible, yes.

 

It would help the Sox immensely if they could find some sort of JD Davis/Mike Tauchman type who can play but basically costs minimum wage.

 

But Dombrowski seems opposed to cheap players...

[OH FOY]

It would help the Sox immensely if they could find some sort of JD Davis/Mike Tauchman type who can play but basically costs minimum wage.

 

But Dombrowski seems opposed to cheap players...

 

Agree.

[moonslav59]

I'd add Workman to that group.

 

Workman is a FA after next season.

 

I'd like to keep him, but I only listed players under team control for more than 1 year, except, as noted, Betts.

[Bellhorn04]

Also Yoan Moncada is nowhere near as good as Marco Hernandez or Brock Holt....

 

Holy Dripping Sarcasm, Batman.

 

Yes, I'm aware Moncada is having a strong season and that we gave up a couple of blue chippers to get Sale.

[Bellhorn04]

Free Agent deals should be for no more then 1 year. That's it. Those are the best, usually the Player has to be proving themselves. Good enough. And if they are doing good, easier to deal them if Sox are out of it. Use them to start building the Farm.

Stay away from ANYTHING more then 3 years.

Personally I wouldn't go over anything for more then 2 years. Those are really the best.

 

That's all great in theory, but it's not going to get you much in the way of elite talent.

[notin]

Holy Dripping Sarcasm, Batman.

 

That response made it worth it:)

[notin]

That's all great in theory, but it's not going to get you much in the way of elite talent.

 

Nah. A lot of aging players and off year players.

 

This upcoming off-season’s best potential one year free agent - Scooter Gennett...

[kenmeister]

Workman is a FA after next season.

 

I'd like to keep him, but I only listed players under team control for more than 1 year, except, as noted, Betts.

 

Ah, I see. I'd be really sad to lose Workman, our only bona fide reliever, so hopefully they work something out.

[OH FOY]

That's all great in theory, but it's not going to get you much in the way of elite talent.

 

You don't need to pay for elite talent, you need to develop it. FA's kills teams. And they very rarely live up to their contracts.

Good smart Ballplayers, that do their jobs, will win you a lot of games. Don't need big bucks for that, just good evaluations from Baseball People.

Edited August 7, 2019 by OH FOY!

[Bellhorn04]

You don't need to pay for elite talent, you need to develop it. FA's kills teams. And they very rarely live up to their contracts.

 

If we didn't sign any big name free agents we would probably still have zero championships.

[OH FOY]

Nah. A lot of aging players and off year players.

 

This upcoming off-season’s best potential one year free agent - Scooter Gennett...

 

Dombrowski OUT! Notin IN!

[Bellhorn04]

Theo Epstein is probably the best GM in the game.

 

He hasn't signed any big name free agents?

[OH FOY]

If we didn't sign any big name free agents we would probably still have zero championships.

 

Damon,1

Ellsbury 2

JD Drew 1

Betts 1

Who else?

Trying to think of Pitcher.

Folke 1

Paplebon 2

Who else?

[Bellhorn04]

Damon,1

Ellsbury 2

JD Drew 1

Betts 1

Who else?

Trying to think of Pitcher.

Folke 1

Paplebon 2

Who else?

 

Ellsbury, Betts & Papelbon were not free agents.

 

But Manny Ramirez, John Lackey, David Price, JD Martinez, and some others like Victorino depending on how far down you want to go.

[OH FOY]

Ellsbury, Betts & Papelbon were not free agents.

 

But Manny Ramirez, John Lackey, David Price, JD Martinez, and some others like Victorino depending on how far down you want to go.

 

I know trying to prove a point.

2 Best FA ever, and that's it, Manny, and Damon. And I'll give you JD, Price for what you paid should have more. Josh Beckett, was better. Most good teams are built through good Trades, and Young Talent. FA's help, but if that's what you have to rely on to win, then your in trouble in the long run.

[jad]

I am sure that once all the top FAs in the league are informed that the Red Sox are giving ONLY one-year deals, they will flock to Boston! and probably take a discount as well. Time to tell that Betts character that he's getting, oh, 10million for a one-year deal and he better damn well like it!

[OH FOY]

FA's is suppose to be a tool, to help a Team building process. Usually the smart GM's sign a FA to give them time to develop at that position.

Because your weak at the Major League level currently, at that position.

Edited August 7, 2019 by OH FOY!

[jad]

I know that in my business, once the boss walked in and let us know that there were going to be no long term contracts, that we would be working, not for money, but for the good of the business, that salaries would be capped, and that anyone who did not get w/ the program would be let go, why productivity and morale just shot way way up and the number of applications for positions went through the roof.

[OH FOY]

You got to look at Tampa, it can be done. And we still have the resources, to sign and not overspend, to the point where it, handcuffs you for years. Like this year.

I look at the Dodgers, and boy they did it right, they went way, way over the Luxury Tax, in the mean time they developed, now that whole team just about is Prospects. And more in the system. Hill, maybe another but that's about it.

Tampa old GM.

They should be a Powerhouse for a few years.

FA's helps, but don't go into Off-Season as that is only plan.

Time to get rid of GM then, anybody can sign and Pay.

[Bellhorn04]

You got to look at Tampa, it can be done. And we still have the resources, to sign and not overspend, to the point where it, handcuffs you for years. Like this year.

I look at the Dodgers, and boy they did it right, they went way, way over the Luxury Tax, in the mean time they developed, now that whole team just about is Prospects. And more in the system. Hill, maybe another but that's about it.

Tampa old GM.

They should be a Powerhouse for a few years.

FA's helps, but don't go into Off-Season as that is only plan.

Time to get rid of GM then, anybody can sign and Pay.

 

So I guess you're not a fan of Theo Epstein then.

[Bellhorn04]

Not trying to diss what the Dodgers have achieved in recent years, but...

 

I'll take our 4 titles in this century to their zero, any time.

[Noles_1335]

Why has DD refused to ever pull from the waiver wire....?

[notin]

So I guess you're not a fan of Theo Epstein then.

 

To be fair to Epstein, he did establish himself as a pretty good drafter.,.

[jacksonianmarch]

That’s the rub here. You’ve got to draft and develop well. When one wave graduates, have another a year or two behind. DD committed two long term team building sins. He dealt long term assets for short term ones and he drafted and developed very, very poorly.

[moonslav59]

To be fair to Epstein, he did establish himself as a pretty good drafter.,.

 

The system was different then.

 

1) Many of Theo's best picks were comp picks. We don't get those anymore.

2) Many top young players fell to the lower picks due to signability issues. Slot money stopped that.

3) International signings are much harder now with set pool money that penalizes winners and big spenders.

[moonslav59]

That’s the rub here. You’ve got to draft and develop well. When one wave graduates, have another a year or two behind. DD committed two long term team building sins. He dealt long term assets for short term ones and he drafted and developed very, very poorly.

 

It's hard to fault DD's picks since many are still too young, and by winning so much, he had low picks every year.

 

The spending penalties are on him.

[notin]

I am sure that once all the top FAs in the league are informed that the Red Sox are giving ONLY one-year deals, they will flock to Boston! and probably take a discount as well. Time to tell that Betts character that he's getting, oh, 10million for a one-year deal and he better damn well like it!

 

I think the point is not to sign the best players demanding six year contracts...

[notin]

The system was different then.

 

1) Many of Theo's best picks were comp picks. We don't get those anymore.

2) Many top young players fell to the lower picks due to signability issues. Slot money stopped that.

3) International signings are much harder now with set pool money that penalizes winners and big spenders.

 

 

System or not, bottom line is identifying talent...

[Bellhorn04]

I think the point is not to sign the best players demanding six year contracts...

 

Wouldn't that include the extension for Bogaerts?