What would a Betts extension be?

[mvp 78]

That ALDS outing merely being summed up as a blown save was a bit unfair. He did have a walk and an HBP, the latter coming after nearly striking out Chris Singleton, an extremely tough strikeout. He then did strikeout Mark Ellis, also one of the toughest to fan in the AL. But then he was lifted so Alan Embree could give up the tying hit...

 

Unfair? You summed up the 2003 postseason with "why didn't Kim close? He was good in September" when there were lots of extenuating circumstances and the time he went in to close was a game they ultimately lost.

[BillyWilliams]

As I've said, he is entitled to go for as much money as he possibly can. I don't like it, but that's his right.

 

I would like nothing more than for Mookie to be a lifelong Red Sox, and I will be happy if the Sox keep him, but if it's up to me, I'm not paying him that kind of money.

 

Somebody will.

[Bellhorn04]

Somebody will.

 

Thank you Captain Obvious.

[BillyWilliams]

Every player is concerned with money whether they have agents or not.

 

David Robertson chose to go without an agent. I don't think it was because he wasn't concerned with money.

 

Find me one professional athlete who is completely unconcerned with money. It's just a laughable notion.

 

Not saying he was completely unconcerned with money but I certainly had more respect for O'Neill when he chose not to even venture into free agency where he alsmost certainly would have gotten more than what the Yanks signed him for.

 

BASEBALL: NOTEBOOK; O'Neill Agrees to a Contract for 1999

By JACK CURRYMAY 22, 1998

 

 

Paul O'Neill could have become a free agent after the season and fielded offers from teams other than the Yankees. He could have waited for the highest offer, packed up his family one more time and relocated for the most lucrative paycheck. O'Neill just said no to that notion.

 

O'Neill, the 35-year-old Yankee right fielder from Cincinnati, found a second home in New York and never saw reason to leave. He agreed yesterday to a one-year, $6.25 million contract with a team option for 2000 that is worth $6.5 million.

 

The Yankees will have to pay a $250,000 buyout to drop the option if O'Neill has 500 plate appearances in 1999.

 

''I'm happy playing here,'' O'Neill said. ''I'm happy that they have the confidence to bring me back again after this season. I'm enjoying this season. I didn't see the reason to play anywhere else.''

 

O'Neill will get a $5.5 million salary and a $750,000 signing bonus for 1999.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/22/sports/baseball-notebook-o-neill-agrees-to-a-contract-for-1999.html

[BillyWilliams]

Thank you Captain Obvious.

 

Well she states over and over how she would love to keep the player but not wanting to pay him what it will take.

 

Seems silly to me.

[Slasher9]

What is more laughable to me is that anyone might think that 10 to 20 million dollars isn't enough to accommodate a generational fund. These guys are just whack job rich. Pedroia for sure never has to work another day of his life if he so chooses. He is certainly not alone.

 

i wonder what Curt Schilling thinks about this?

[Bellhorn04]

Not saying he was completely unconcerned with money but I certainly had more respect for O'Neill when he chose not to even venture into free agency where he alsmost certainly would have gotten more than what the Yanks signed him for.

 

BASEBALL: NOTEBOOK; O'Neill Agrees to a Contract for 1999

By JACK CURRYMAY 22, 1998

 

 

Paul O'Neill could have become a free agent after the season and fielded offers from teams other than the Yankees. He could have waited for the highest offer, packed up his family one more time and relocated for the most lucrative paycheck. O'Neill just said no to that notion.

 

O'Neill, the 35-year-old Yankee right fielder from Cincinnati, found a second home in New York and never saw reason to leave. He agreed yesterday to a one-year, $6.25 million contract with a team option for 2000 that is worth $6.5 million.

 

The Yankees will have to pay a $250,000 buyout to drop the option if O'Neill has 500 plate appearances in 1999.

 

''I'm happy playing here,'' O'Neill said. ''I'm happy that they have the confidence to bring me back again after this season. I'm enjoying this season. I didn't see the reason to play anywhere else.''

 

O'Neill will get a $5.5 million salary and a $750,000 signing bonus for 1999.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/22/sports/baseball-notebook-o-neill-agrees-to-a-contract-for-1999.html

 

There have been some cases of guys taking less to play where they wanted to play, no question.

[notin]

There have been some cases of guys taking less to play where they wanted to play, no question.

 

But then a 35yo outfielder doing so 20 years ago might not be the best parallel for Betts.

 

Former reliever Rick White also once negotiated his own contract with the St. Louis Cardinals because his son had special needs and there was a great school that could accommodate them in St. Louis. But he’s also not a great parallel for a 28yo MVP...

[Slasher9]

remember when jeter threw a hissy fit and held cashman/yankees hostage when they tried to get a "hometown discount" from him? i do. that was fun!

[BillyWilliams]

But then a 35yo outfielder doing so 20 years ago might not be the best parallel for Betts.

 

Former reliever Rick White also once negotiated his own contract with the St. Louis Cardinals because his son had special needs and there was a great school that could accommodate them in St. Louis. But he’s also not a great parallel for a 28yo MVP...

 

I wasn't trying to insinuate that it was the best parallel, simply pointing out an instance where a player did take less money.

[cp176]

i wonder what Curt Schilling thinks about this?

 

My God - good past digging up here. You do pay attention! I guess 10 to 20 million won't do it for some folks.

[Bellhorn04]

But then a 35yo outfielder doing so 20 years ago might not be the best parallel for Betts.

 

Former reliever Rick White also once negotiated his own contract with the St. Louis Cardinals because his son had special needs and there was a great school that could accommodate them in St. Louis. But he’s also not a great parallel for a 28yo MVP...

 

I can assure you I was not thinking of Mookie when I posted that.

[mvp 78]

remember when jeter threw a hissy fit and held cashman/yankees hostage when they tried to get a "hometown discount" from him? i do. that was fun!

 

Re2pect

[Slasher9]

My God - good past digging up here. You do pay attention! I guess 10 to 20 million won't do it for some folks.

 

sorry...i'm just catching up on this thread. only up to page 8 of 14 so i may say more idiotic things that are old.

[Gunrunner]

sorry...i'm just catching up on this thread. only up to page 8 of 14 so i may say more idiotic things that are old.

 

I don’t post here like almost never (obviously!) but I have been following this board for many years, back when it was associated with the Boston Globe. As proof of that, I clearly remember a character who went by the name of Smiley Beni. I just want to comment that over the years you are my favorite poster, but your login pic may have something to do with that:). I really should participate more, but the depth of baseball knowledge here can be downright intimidating... visiting this board is a morning ritual for me, and it is folks like you and many, many others that makes it very entertaining, and informative. Keep up the great work, gang!

Mike

[mvp 78]

I don’t post here like almost never (obviously!) but I have been following this board for many years, back when it was associated with the Boston Globe. As proof of that, I clearly remember a character who went by the name of Smiley Beni. I just want to comment that over the years you are my favorite poster, but your login pic may have something to do with that:). I really should participate more, but the depth of baseball knowledge here can be downright intimidating... visiting this board is a morning ritual for me, and it is folks like you and many, many others that makes it very entertaining, and informative. Keep up the great work, gang!

Mike

 

This board was NEVER associated with the Boston Globe.

[Gunrunner]

This board was NEVER associated with the Boston Globe.

 

Perhaps my memory is flawed, but I definitely recall posters like Slasher9 and Moonslav with a Red Sox board prior to this one.

[moonslav59]

Perhaps my memory is flawed, but I definitely recall posters like Slasher9 and Moonslav with a Red Sox board prior to this one.

 

Yes, we were on that site, but when it closed, we came here.

[Bellhorn04]

Yes, we were on that site, but when it closed, we came here.

 

Like the proverbial rats leaving the sinking ship.

[Kimmi]

My approach would be to maximize Mookie's presence on the roster for next two years.

 

I'm concerned about what Boras will demand on behalf of Xander.

 

I'm interested in watching some of our younger players develop.

 

Chavis, Dalbec and Chatam.

 

Hernandez, Feltman, Shawaryn and Lakin.

 

Hopefully, some of our younger players will be ready to step in an provide the team with some cost control.

[Kimmi]

But it's the life of a professional ballplayer to be uprooted. They get drafted. They get traded. Free agency is their one chance to have any control over their destiny.

 

Players often choose to be uprooted because they are going after the money.

 

I understand that sometimes it's beyond a player's control. But many free agents could stay with their current team if they were willing to leave some money on the table. These players would still be set for life, many times over.

[Kimmi]

Somebody will.

 

Yeah, probably the Red Sox.

[Kimmi]

Not saying he was completely unconcerned with money but I certainly had more respect for O'Neill when he chose not to even venture into free agency where he alsmost certainly would have gotten more than what the Yanks signed him for.

 

BASEBALL: NOTEBOOK; O'Neill Agrees to a Contract for 1999

By JACK CURRYMAY 22, 1998

 

 

Paul O'Neill could have become a free agent after the season and fielded offers from teams other than the Yankees. He could have waited for the highest offer, packed up his family one more time and relocated for the most lucrative paycheck. O'Neill just said no to that notion.

 

O'Neill, the 35-year-old Yankee right fielder from Cincinnati, found a second home in New York and never saw reason to leave. He agreed yesterday to a one-year, $6.25 million contract with a team option for 2000 that is worth $6.5 million.

 

The Yankees will have to pay a $250,000 buyout to drop the option if O'Neill has 500 plate appearances in 1999.

 

''I'm happy playing here,'' O'Neill said. ''I'm happy that they have the confidence to bring me back again after this season. I'm enjoying this season. I didn't see the reason to play anywhere else.''

 

O'Neill will get a $5.5 million salary and a $750,000 signing bonus for 1999.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/05/22/sports/baseball-notebook-o-neill-agrees-to-a-contract-for-1999.html

 

I respect O'Neill for this decision as well.

[Kimmi]

Well she states over and over how she would love to keep the player but not wanting to pay him what it will take.

 

Seems silly to me.

 

You seem to be mistaking me with someone who has some control over the Sox payroll.

[moonslav59]

Kind of like all those Papi deals.

[Northern Star]

The solution for me is not to get attached to any player. Sure, there are some I like, but I understand the business. I understand loyalty is not a given once there's bigger money to be made elsewhere. I will probably never buy another player jersey, unless it's a retired player. I'll just buy stuff with the team logo, because at the end of the day the team is the only constant, and the only thing that matters.

[Bellhorn04]

Betts is a special player. I think we'll retain him. But we won't know until we know.

 

I've said this before, but I think we might actually be better off if Betts and Martinez don't have quite the magical seasons they had last year. But that only holds true, of course, if we win the World Series again. I'm not asking much, right?

[Slasher9]

I don’t post here like almost never (obviously!) but I have been following this board for many years, back when it was associated with the Boston Globe. As proof of that, I clearly remember a character who went by the name of Smiley Beni. I just want to comment that over the years you are my favorite poster, but your login pic may have something to do with that:). I really should participate more, but the depth of baseball knowledge here can be downright intimidating... visiting this board is a morning ritual for me, and it is folks like you and many, many others that makes it very entertaining, and informative. Keep up the great work, gang!

Mike

 

Thanks for the kind words sir. Smiley beni posts were so good. His avatar always made me chuckle.

My current one lasted the entire year last season and brought us a parade. I almost swapped her out a couple times but then we would get the W. Going to retire her before the season starts but will have something fun To look at as always....

[notin]

Like the proverbial rats leaving the sinking ship.

 

 

Hey, better than being the captain and going down with the ship...

[notin]

Betts is a special player. I think we'll retain him. But we won't know until we know.

 

I've said this before, but I think we might actually be better off if Betts and Martinez don't have quite the magical seasons they had last year. But that only holds true, of course, if we win the World Series again. I'm not asking much, right?

 

It’s obviously way early, but the JD Martinez opt out isn’t necessarily a sure thing. If next year is anything like this year, he’ll probably wind up costing himself a lot if he opts out. The closest comp in terms of age and overall ability might be AJ Pollock, and his deal was nowhere near what JD still has remaining on his contract.

 

Now AJ does have that whole “can’t stay on the field” thing, but how much is that worth?