What would a Betts extension be?

[moonslav59]

Mookie Betts and Mike Trout are going to get more , maybe a lot more , than Harper and Machado . They are on a different level in every way .

 

This^

[BillyWilliams]

Mookie Betts and Mike Trout are going to get more , maybe a lot more , than Harper and Machado . They are on a different level in every way .

 

Trout for sure, mookie needs to show that he can put up numbers like last year consistently.

 

And it's not a huge revelation that players will get more in the future, it's always been that way.

[notin]

Mookie Betts and Mike Trout are going to get more , maybe a lot more , than Harper and Machado . They are on a different level in every way .

 

One would think so, but both will also be older than 26 when they reach free agency...

[notin]

Trout for sure, mookie needs to show that he can put up numbers like last year consistently.

 

And it's not a huge revelation that players will get more in the future, it's always been that way.

 

We really can’t say “always” until Machado and Harper see better contracts than Jason Heyeard and Joe Mauer got...

[jacksonianmarch]

Trout for sure, mookie needs to show that he can put up numbers like last year consistently.

 

And it's not a huge revelation that players will get more in the future, it's always been that way.

 

The thing about Harper and Machado is they are 2 years younger than Betts will be when he hits FA. Yes, Betts put up a better 2018 than any season either have had. Betts has also had a better average last 4 seasons than either have (Betts average 7.2WAR, Harper 5WAR, Machado 5.4WAR). Betts is the better player. But having 2 extra prime years brings the price up

[harmony]

From Monday's chat with MLB Trade Rumors owner Tim Dierkes:

Kal

2:27 Changes the Red Sox can hold onto either Mookie or Benintendi long term? If so, which do you see as being more likely to Ben open to staying?

 

Tim Dierkes

2:29 Mookie seems like quite a long shot. He's 26, one of the very best players in baseball, two years from free agency. Guys like that usually go to free agency. Benintendi is much more likely - he's four years from FA, hasn't really been paid yet, and has a major flaw in his game (hitting lefties) that presents some risk for both sides.

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/live-chat-with-tim-dierkes-4390.html

[Behindenemylines]

Let's see what Machado and Harper get. That's going to set the bar.

 

I agree. Remember Mookie extension thread started by a Spankees fan!

[Bellhorn04]

The Arenado deal might be another benchmark for Mookie along with Machado's and Harper's.

[BillyWilliams]

The Arenado deal might be another benchmark for Mookie along with Machado's and Harper's.

 

Arenado makes sense for the Rockies but his stats away from Coors field are not very impressive.

[jacksonianmarch]

Very interesting now that the dust has settled on the Machado and Harper signings. Harper gets 13 years. Machado gets 10. Machado gets the higher AAV and the opt out. Harper gets a full no trade and the largest sum guaranteed to anyone, ever. I’m surprised to see Harper so interested in remaining in one place and not setting the market for AAV. Boras said he got some short term deals for $45 mil AAV. I entirely wonder if those “short term” deals were 1 yr deals. I don’t discount the possibility that Boras isn’t lying. Getting a prime Harper for $45 mil for one year is likely still going to be a money making proposition.

 

This sets me back to Mookie. He’s a better player than both Harper and Machado. He’ll be 2 hrs older than both when he hits the market. Also, I think Mookie is the kind of guy who doesn’t mind going year to year. I wonder if Mookie asks for what Harper was being offered on a short term deal over 2 seasons then an opt out of a longer term deal to cash in again at 30. Something like 2 years $90 mil then an opt out, then 6 years $150 mil after that. Total value 8 years $240 mil, but the opportunity to make $45 mil AAV the first two seasons then hit the market again

[S5Dewey]

Very interesting now that the dust has settled on the Machado and Harper signings. Harper gets 13 years. Machado gets 10. Machado gets the higher AAV and the opt out. Harper gets a full no trade and the largest sum guaranteed to anyone, ever. I’m surprised to see Harper so interested in remaining in one place and not setting the market for AAV. Boras said he got some short term deals for $45 mil AAV. I entirely wonder if those “short term” deals were 1 yr deals. I don’t discount the possibility that Boras isn’t lying. Getting a prime Harper for $45 mil for one year is likely still going to be a money making proposition.

 

This sets me back to Mookie. He’s a better player than both Harper and Machado. He’ll be 2 hrs older than both when he hits the market. Also, I think Mookie is the kind of guy who doesn’t mind going year to year. I wonder if Mookie asks for what Harper was being offered on a short term deal over 2 seasons then an opt out of a longer term deal to cash in again at 30. Something like 2 years $90 mil then an opt out, then 6 years $150 mil after that. Total value 8 years $240 mil, but the opportunity to make $45 mil AAV the first two seasons then hit the market again

 

Ye Gods. We're talking Monopoly money now. Numbers so big we (or I) can't begin to fathom them. For playing baseball.

[Station 13]

Very interesting now that the dust has settled on the Machado and Harper signings. Harper gets 13 years. Machado gets 10. Machado gets the higher AAV and the opt out. Harper gets a full no trade and the largest sum guaranteed to anyone, ever. I’m surprised to see Harper so interested in remaining in one place and not setting the market for AAV. Boras said he got some short term deals for $45 mil AAV. I entirely wonder if those “short term” deals were 1 yr deals. I don’t discount the possibility that Boras isn’t lying. Getting a prime Harper for $45 mil for one year is likely still going to be a money making proposition.

 

This sets me back to Mookie. He’s a better player than both Harper and Machado. He’ll be 2 hrs older than both when he hits the market. Also, I think Mookie is the kind of guy who doesn’t mind going year to year. I wonder if Mookie asks for what Harper was being offered on a short term deal over 2 seasons then an opt out of a longer term deal to cash in again at 30. Something like 2 years $90 mil then an opt out, then 6 years $150 mil after that. Total value 8 years $240 mil, but the opportunity to make $45 mil AAV the first two seasons then hit the market again

 

He can ask, but the Red Sox will not do that. $45M AAV + tax $20-25M tax on that makes him a $60M a year player.

[BillyWilliams]

Very interesting now that the dust has settled on the Machado and Harper signings. Harper gets 13 years. Machado gets 10. Machado gets the higher AAV and the opt out. Harper gets a full no trade and the largest sum guaranteed to anyone, ever. I’m surprised to see Harper so interested in remaining in one place and not setting the market for AAV. Boras said he got some short term deals for $45 mil AAV. I entirely wonder if those “short term” deals were 1 yr deals. I don’t discount the possibility that Boras isn’t lying. Getting a prime Harper for $45 mil for one year is likely still going to be a money making proposition.

 

This sets me back to Mookie. He’s a better player than both Harper and Machado. He’ll be 2 hrs older than both when he hits the market. Also, I think Mookie is the kind of guy who doesn’t mind going year to year. I wonder if Mookie asks for what Harper was being offered on a short term deal over 2 seasons then an opt out of a longer term deal to cash in again at 30. Something like 2 years $90 mil then an opt out, then 6 years $150 mil after that. Total value 8 years $240 mil, but the opportunity to make $45 mil AAV the first two seasons then hit the market again

 

And you've come to this conclusion after having tea and crumpets with him?!

[BillyWilliams]

He can ask, but the Red Sox will not do that. $45M AAV + tax $20-25M tax on that makes him a $60M a year player.

 

Maybe it's not the sox that offer it.

[Nick]

Maybe it's not the sox that offer it.

 

I sure hope it's the Yankees.

 

No one, within next three years is worth $45M annual salary, even it's only for two years. If my GM comes to me with that idea, he'd be fired.

[Bellhorn04]

The Dodgers reportedly offered Harper 3 years @ 45 per, or 4 years @ 42 per.

[dgalehouse]

Scott Boras is still the Grandmaster .

[Northern Star]

Factoring in the Harper contract, Betts now projects at $6,000,000,000,000 over 15 years.

[Larry Cook]

If sale’s shoulder is right, we need to place signing sale (this offseason) as the priority and be prepared to let Betts walk next offseason.

[cp176]

If sale’s shoulder is right, we need to place signing sale (this offseason) as the priority and be prepared to let Betts walk next offseason.

 

After reading Bradford's article this morning, it might be a stretch to think that any of these guys heading toward free agency will sign any kind of deal that even appears to be team friendly. I grouse about the play money being thrown around in ml baseball as much as the next guy but the thinking of the players makes sense. It is very difficult for me to sympathize though with either side in this issue.

[Bellhorn04]

Dates of birth:

 

Machado July 6/92

Betts Oct 7/92

Harper Oct 16/92

 

The one thing in our favor with Mookie is that he hits free agency 2 years later than Machado and Harper.

[Kimmi]

If sale’s shoulder is right, we need to place signing sale (this offseason) as the priority and be prepared to let Betts walk next offseason.

 

I think Sale is going to price himself right out of Boston.

 

IMO, we should be prepared to let both Sale and Betts walk.

[Kimmi]

Dates of birth:

 

Machado July 6/92

Betts Oct 7/92

Harper Oct 16/92

 

The one thing in our favor with Mookie is that he hits free agency 2 years later than Machado and Harper.

 

I may be wrong, but I just don't see Mookie offering any type of a home team discount. I'm not sure that he has ever said anything along the lines of really hoping he can stay in Boston for as long as possible?

 

Base on what he has said, Mookie is going for the money, wherever that might take him.

[notin]

The Dodgers reportedly offered Harper 3 years @ 45 per, or 4 years @ 42 per.

 

 

I take it that was the money they had budgeted for Yasmani Grandal...

[Bellhorn04]

I may be wrong, but I just don't see Mookie offering any type of a home team discount. I'm not sure that he has ever said anything along the lines of really hoping he can stay in Boston for as long as possible?

 

Base on what he has said, Mookie is going for the money, wherever that might take him.

 

It's really too soon to say. I think Mookie is a very smart guy and he figures the less he says the better, which is probably true, because whatever you say tends to get used against you somehow.

[harmony]

Off topic, but from Monday's MLB Trade Rumors chat with Tim Dierkes:

Cash

3:30 Guess on Bogaerts FA contract?

 

Tim Dierkes

3:31 To throw out a number, something like nine years and $216MM makes sense to me.

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/live-chat-with-tim-dierkes-4747.html

 

Would the Red Sox go there?

[moonslav59]

Off topic, but from Monday's MLB Trade Rumors chat with Tim Dierkes:

 

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/live-chat-with-tim-dierkes-4747.html

 

Would the Red Sox go there?

 

$24M x 9. I'd say a tough no, but it's not an easy call on what DD & Henry might do.

[notin]

Off topic, but from Monday's MLB Trade Rumors chat with Tim Dierkes:

 

https://www.jotcast.com/chat/live-chat-with-tim-dierkes-4747.html

 

Would the Red Sox go there?

 

 

I’m the same chat, they place Mookie at 10/$350mill to 10/$392mill.

 

 

Bogaerts at $24mill AAV or Betts at $39mill AAV?

[Bellhorn04]

I’m the same chat, they place Mookie at 10/$350mill to 10/$392mill.

 

Bogaerts at $24mill AAV or Betts at $39mill AAV?

 

It's enough to give you the Kimmi shudders.

 

I'll take Mookie at 10/350.

[notin]

It's enough to give you the Kimmi shudders.

 

I'll take Mookie at 10/350.

 

That wasn’t an option...