Does Price opt out

[fxkatt]

I only mentioned this one other time on the board and for the life of me now I cannot remember what thread I put it in (probably game 4 game thread) but not only was Eo's performance in Game 3 heroic within the confines of Game 3 but he totally spared the Sox pen in that game. Yes he was going to be unavailable until God knows when after that, but virtually everybody else WAS available because of what Eo did in Game 3.

 

Look what happened to dingdong Dave Roberts (great base runner but no manager to my mind). He goes on to rule out some of his pitchers the very night of Game 3 in the post game presser! "He's out....He's....out....Oh yea and he's out too" AND he was not kidding!

 

Cora after game 3: "Everybody is available for Game 4.....Eo is ready to go" Now Eo was likely not available having spared the Sox pen in Game 3. But virtually everybody else was.

 

Eovaldi's performances from game 1-3 were stupendous and, to think, he was available last night too. And Kelly looked like next year's closer.

 

I'm thinking that Cora's handling of the pitching staff was a total reversal of his seasonal strategy when he insisted on giving his pitchers plenty of rest--almost to the laughable point at times. It's as if he said, okay now it's time to man up and gut it out... if you're on I'm going to you again and again, so reach down guys, way down. Here we go, no letting up... every game is game 7.

[a700hitter]

He already said that he would not be opting out. So, we can put that to bed.

[harmony]

thanks Harmony.

 

if he doesn't opt out - i will never have another bad thing to say about Price's contract. when signed i hated it but i have always said that if Price helps us get just 1 parade the contract will be worth it. the contract is worth it.

thank you Mr. Price.

Comparing long-term contracts ...

 

If he does not opt out, David Price has four years and $127 million remaining on his deal after posting 8.7 fWAR, valued at about $59.9 million, over the first three seasons of the lefthander's seven-year, $210 million contract.

 

Robinson Cano's $240 million, 10-year contract with Seattle was ridiculed but the putative second baseman has five years and $120 million remaining on his contract after posting 20.7 fWAR, valued at about $163.7 million, over his first five seasons with the Mariners. Despite an 80-game suspension, Cano this season posted 2.9 fWAR, valued at $23.6 million, while earning a $24 million salary.

 

Of course, the now 36-year-old Cano has not brought the hoped-for postseason berth to Seattle (by little fault of his own) while the 33-year-old Price contributed to a World Series title.

Edited October 29, 2018 by harmony

[Bellhorn04]

Comparing long-term contracts ...

 

If he does not opt out, David Price has four years and $127 million remaining on his deal after posting 8.7 fWAR, valued at about $59.9 million, over the first three seasons of the lefthander's seven-year, $210 million contract.

 

Which raises a question - why doesn't FanGraphs also figure out some sort of WAR for the postseason?

[S5Dewey]

Which raises a question - why doesn't FanGraphs also figure out some sort of WAR for the postseason?

 

You know how I want to respond to this post, don't you?

[notin]

Which raises a question - why doesn't FanGraphs also figure out some sort of WAR for the postseason?

 

Lack of “replacement level” players on postseason rosters needed to establish a baseline?

[TylerD]

No way he's option out. He's not getting that money from anyone else. I like what he has done for the team but if he wants to opt out, have at her. Will make the red sox payroll easier to work with moving forward

This!

 

It works out both ways for us. He stays we have a fantastic pitcher. If he opts out we will just find someone els. We will still have a deep core and with the way this bullpen pitched I think we will be fine next year. Although Kelly is a free agent which sucks. Regardless keeping the core of this team we will be competitors again next year with Sale and Porcello and E Rod. Losing price don’t get me wrong would suck. But it wouldn’t break this team. From top to bottom we are pretty stacked. But with that said I highly doubt Price leaves. He genuinely seems to love this team, just won a World Series, and is getting a lot of money. It would make absolutely 0 sense for him to leave before his contract is up.

[sk7326]

Which raises a question - why doesn't FanGraphs also figure out some sort of WAR for the postseason?

 

(I am not sure how many players would be even 1 WAR over so few games)

[a700hitter]

Technically he didn't spare the pen. The only guy left in the pen at that point was Pomeranz.

Any sentence that starts with “technically” never makes a good point.

[harmony]

Which raises a question - why doesn't FanGraphs also figure out some sort of WAR for the postseason?

I suspect the sample is too small to be meaningful.

[mvp 78]

Any sentence that starts with “technically” never makes a good point.

 

Technically, a700 IS the King of TalkSox.

[moonslav59]

Any sentence that starts with “technically” never makes a good point.

 

Technically, you make a lot of sense.

 

[moonslav59]

Technically, a700 IS the King of TalkSox.

 

You beat me to it!

[a700hitter]

Technically, a700 IS the King of TalkSox.

LOL! That’s a good one. Unfortunately, I am only “nominally” the King of TalkSox.

[Bellhorn04]

Any sentence that starts with “technically” never makes a good point.

 

Fair enough - I removed the word technically.

[a700hitter]

Technically, you make a lot of sense.

 

That’s a good one too. LOL!

[Bellhorn04]

I suspect the sample is too small to be meaningful.

 

Depends on how 'small' and 'meaningful' are defined.

 

David Price pitched 26 innings in the postseason. That's about 15% of his regular season total of 176.

 

If his 26 postseason innings were pitched at a level of 8 fWAR, that would be an additional fWAR of about 1.2, or 9 million dollars of value.

[jung]

Technically he didn't spare the pen. The only guy left in the pen at that point was Pomeranz.

 

Actually it did. The issue is not who was left in the pen. The issue is who could cover those 6 innings, those 17 outs. It took 90+ pitches to cover those outs. Unless you wanted them to just forfeit the game at the point when Eo comes into it, they had to cover those innings, those outs, those pitches. Lets say Eo gives you your typical BEST relief effort and two innings. That would be about 30 pitches and 6 outs leaving you 60 pitches/11 more outs to cover. The other option was to just throw up the surrender flag and have an everyday player pitch instead of Eo. That would not have been smart.

 

Roberts covered them in a way that cost him enough pitches to whip out guys, as in can't pitch the next night. Roberts literally told us in the Game 3 post game how many pitchers were wiped out for Game 4. Cora didn't have to do that thanks to Eo. The only guy Cora lost for the next night was Eo himself. Never mind what Cora said about his pen or what Roberts said about his after Game 3, even the MLB analysts just counting pitches as soon as Game 3 ended said that Cora still could get innings and outs in Game 4 from what he had for a remaining pen including guys that had pitched in Game 3 and he could. But they went on to say that Roberts could not based on what they knew about the Dodgers. The pen workload in Game 3 was not at least for the Sox excessive outside of Eo who gave us 90 pitches and 17 outs. It was for the Dodgers who won the battle (Game 3) and ultimately lost the war (the series).

 

Once the Dodgers lost Game 4 this series was done. It was so done that the Dodgers threw in the towel after Inning 5 of Game 5. Now Cora did almost screw it up because there was NO....repeat NO reason for Cora to try to get a 6th inning out of ERod in Game 4. He had the arms in his pen to cover 6-9. Cora was playing with house money once Erod got through the 5th inning.

 

"Technically" really does not work here because you are talking about flesh and blood pitchers.

Edited October 29, 2018 by jung

[a700hitter]

Actually it did. The issue is not who was left in the pen. The issue is who could cover those 6 innings, those 17 outs. It took 90+ pitches to cover those outs. Unless you wanted them to just forfeit the game at the point when Eo comes into it, they had to cover those innings, those outs, those pitches. Lets say Eo gives you your typical BEST relief effort and two innings. That would be about 30 pitches and 6 outs leaving you 60 pitches/11 more outs to cover. The other option was to just throw up the surrender flag and have an everyday player pitch instead of Eo. That would not have been smart.

 

Roberts covered them in a way that cost him enough pitches to whip out guys, as in can't pitch the next night. Roberts literally told us in the Game 3 post game how many pitchers were wiped out for Game 4. Cora didn't have to do that thanks to Eo. The only guy Cora lost for the next night was Eo himself. Even the analysts said that Cora still could get innings and outs in Game 4 from what he had for a remaining pen including guys that had pitched in Game 3 and he could. The pen workload in Game 3 was not at least for the Sox excessive outside of Eo who gave us 90 pitches and 17 outs. It was for the Dodgers who won the battle (Game 3) and ultimately lost the war (the series).

 

Once the Dodgers lost Game 4 this series was done. It was so done that the Dodgers threw in the towel after Inning 5 of Game 5. Now Cora did almost screw it up because there was NO....repeat NO reason for Cora to try to get a 6th inning out of ERod in Game 4. He had the arms in his pen to cover 6-9. Cora was playing with house money once Erod got through the 5th inning.

 

"Technically" really does not work here because you are talking about flesh and blood pitchers.

”Technically” doesn’t work here because Eovaldi didn’t save the pen by saving who was left in the pen, I.e., Pom. He saved the guys who pitched before him, because Cora knew that he didn’t have to unduly extend those guys and burn them up for a game or 2. The confidence that Cora had that Eovaldi could give him an extended outing equivalent to a start allowed him to save the guys that pitched before him from going on fumes.

[notin]

 

"Technically" really does not work here because you are talking about flesh and blood pitchers.

 

But it will work when we get Robot Pitchers...

[jung]

”Technically” doesn’t work here because Eovaldi didn’t save the pen by saving who was left in the pen, I.e., Pom. He saved the guys who pitched before him, because Cora knew that he didn’t have to unduly extend those guys and burn them up for a game or 2. The confidence that Cora had that Eovaldi could give him an extended outing equivalent to a start allowed him to save the guys that pitched before him from going on fumes.

 

IMO, other than necessarily an issue of "confidence" in Eo, Correctamento!

 

Cora had no choice but to stay with Eo in Game 3 and hope. He could not bring Pom into that game as that would have left him with nobody to pitch if Eo or Pom crumbled somewhere along the way. Cora did not even have an Everyday player left to call on to pitch in that game. Everybody had been used to that point. So Pom was only an option if Eo crumbled somewhere along the way. Pom could not be brought in under any other circumstances. Saying Cora had confidence that Eo could carry that load is a bit of a stretch I think.

 

Eo had not thrown 97 pitches since July 20th with his total pitch counts being reduced from July 20th through the rest of the season. His only other start of that duration was the Oct 8th ALDS game against the Yankees. Eo had started and thrown 92 in the ALCS and had made relief appearances of 19 and 16 pitches on the 23rd and 24th headed into Game 3. At some point a Manager is stuck hoping and certainly trying to cover 18 innings with everyday players and pitchers will leave them hoping a good bit of the time. Cora finished that game with Vaz at 1st base, Holt in the OF, one legged Nunez without any replacement at 3rd and one arm remaining in the pen away from nobody to pitch. That was certainly hoping in Cora's case. But 18 innings will do that for you.

Edited October 29, 2018 by jung

[Nick]

He already said that he would not be opting out. So, we can put that to bed.

Yep.... not sure why posters insist on not believing words coming out of player's mouth. Price has four more years left on his contract. He's not going to get more money. No one is going to give him additional years. And finally, why would Price want to pitch longer than four more years? He'll have all the money he needs. Elite players eventually want to win. He got his world series ring. He can get another one pitching for the Sox.

[Kimmi]

what did his tweet say exactly?

 

The tweet was not in reference to whether he opts out or not. It had something to do with the media's treatment of him or something along those lines.

[Kimmi]

I am extremely happy for David Price. I'm still not a fan of his contract, and never will be, but because he's a player on my beloved Red Sox, I have become emotionally attached to him, as I do with almost every Sox player. After he had that horrendous postseason start against the Yankees, I truly felt bad for him. Seeing that huge smile on his face as he was holding the WS trophy did my heart good.

[Northern Star]

And price made that reference holding the cards because of his recent post season success. He was referring to the reporters and doubters. He now holds the card as he proved them wrong and they can't use that against him. He was not referring to his current salary / contract situation

 

I was about to say, it would be ballsy if he WAS talking about the contract.

[a700hitter]

Price in Boston in 480 IP in 3 years:

 

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[TD=class: Right, bgcolor: #FFFF88]39 W[/TD]

[TD=class: Right, bgcolor: #FFFF88]19 L[/TD]

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And this is with losing almost a whole year to injury. I'll take it.

[a700hitter]

Yep.... not sure why posters insist on not believing words coming out of player's mouth. Price has four more years left on his contract. He's not going to get more money. No one is going to give him additional years. And finally, why would Price want to pitch longer than four more years? He'll have all the money he needs. Elite players eventually want to win. He got his world series ring. He can get another one pitching for the Sox.

And he seems to be very happy with his team mates and manager.

[mvp 78]

Would be nice if people found the full quotes first too.

 

“Any time it got to September, playoffs—I hold all the cards now, and that feels so good,” he said. “That feels so good. I can’t tell you how good it feels to hold that trump card. You guys have had it for a long time, you’ve played that card extremely well, but you don’t have it anymore.”

[Slasher9]

Would be nice if people found the full quotes first too.

 

“Any time it got to September, playoffs—I hold all the cards now, and that feels so good,” he said. “That feels so good. I can’t tell you how good it feels to hold that trump card. You guys have had it for a long time, you’ve played that card extremely well, but you don’t have it anymore.”

 

price is a trump supporter?

[a700hitter]

price is a trump supporter?

Bigly!!