Sale DL

[jacksonianmarch]

Advanced imaging cost money and exposes the patient to potentially harmful energy.

 

Maybe they wait to see how much swelling and loss of function there is before using MRI and such.

 

If the initial swelling is not significant and does not seem to get worse maybe that is viewed as a sign that there is not significant damage as in torn ligaments and cracked bones?

 

Maybe Jacko can fill us in.

 

MRIs have no radiation at all. These teams have ortho docs on standby and get MRIs for free as being he one stop shop for the boston Red Sox has its perks

[Kimmi]

It all sounds very noble, but all I'm saying is I doubt if you're up 10-2 tonight you'll be cursing the baseball gods for not having Sale pitch tonight in place of Brian Johnston.

 

People only remember the winners, not the injuries.

 

No one will be whining if they beat the other team, regardless of who's on the DL. I would just prefer to beat them when they have their best on the field.

 

It's kind of the same way I feel about getting to the WS. It would be more enjoyable if we beat the Yankees en route, but I won't be crying if they get eliminated in the wildcard game.

[Carpin]

It all sounds very noble, but all I'm saying is I doubt if you're up 10-2 tonight you'll be cursing the baseball gods for not having Sale pitch tonight in place of Brian Johnston.

 

People only remember the winners, not the injuries.

 

If that's the case I will be dancing around my living room without any remorse, a win is a win.

 

I love the sport and like to see the best players playing the game instead of watching those guys in the sidelines with an injury

[Station 13]

Back on the DL. Shoulder again.

[kenmeister]

Now I’m super worried!!!

[OH FOY]

Me too.

[vegasbob]

Clearly not a good situation. A short rest is not any more likely to cure the shoulder than the last 10 days. They may need to consider a month off with a return in mid September to prep for the playoffs. They do need to know what he can do by end of September. Regrettably it may not be much if the shoulder is going to be rest, one start and rest again . This will put more urgency on getting Erod back on the Fenway mound.

[Station 13]

I wonder if this was a result of changing his mechanics to throw harder.

[vegasbob]

I wonder if this was a result of changing his mechanics to throw harder.

 

Does he really need to hit 100 on the gun to be effective ? Don't think so. Chris may just not know any other way except full extension of his whiplike arm

[OH FOY]

Problem with the Labrum is serious s***.

[redsoxrules]

I think its just another phantom DL. He looked great before and after DL stint and was throwing pretty pretty much 100MPH. I'm pretty sure if it was a serious issue he wouldn't have been throwing that hard. They have a huge lead so they want to keep him fresh for the playoffs

[Fan_since_Boggs]

It sounds like they are saving his bullets for October.

 

Just like the last time he went on the DL, Chris Sale says that he could be out there pitching if the division race were tighter. Fortunately for him and the Red Sox, it's not even a little bit close, so.

 

It makes more sense for Sale to get extra rest now than in mid-late September.

 

Let's face it, if Chris Sale is dominant in October, the Red Sox should win a championship. With 10 game lead, it is all about getting ready for October baseball.

[vegasbob]

I guess it is a scheduling coincidence to miss the Yankees twice ? They have seen his stuff before so not hiding anything .

[tombirner]

I think its just another phantom DL. He looked great before and after DL stint and was throwing pretty pretty much 100MPH. I'm pretty sure if it was a serious issue he wouldn't have been throwing that hard. They have a huge lead so they want to keep him fresh for the playoffs

 

I certainly hope you're right, but at this point they are jeopardizing his Cy Young award. I think he probably cares about that, especially because he's never won one and is a borderline hall of famer and a Cy Young award might push him through to Cooperstown, also good marketing/ratings/etc. for the franchise. Sale may even get a monetary bonus if he wins one.

Edited August 18, 2018 by tombirner

[Carbo-Diem]

I think its just another phantom DL. He looked great before and after DL stint and was throwing pretty pretty much 100MPH. I'm pretty sure if it was a serious issue he wouldn't have been throwing that hard. They have a huge lead so they want to keep him fresh for the playoffs

 

I think you are right. I think the Sox are using the rules available to them to keep him fresh, given his history of falling off in September. I could see them doing this a third time before the season is over.

[notin]

I certainly hope you're right, but at this point they are jeopardizing his Cy Young award. I think he probably cares about that, especially because he's never won one and is a borderline hall of fame and a Cy Young award might push him through to Cooperstown, also good marketing/ratings/etc. for the franchise. Sale may even get a monetary bonus if he wins one.

 

If Sale has even the slightest inkling of priority in the Cy Young award, he should be traded today...

[Dojji]

I hope Sale isn't feeding us a line.

 

Right now, I'm very satisfied with the rotation we have. It doesn't always look pretty but we have a chance to win every game, that's all I can ask. The depth is stepping up, and if that affords us the luxury to phantom-DL our ace, I'll take it.

 

The ability to afford that luxury IMHO comes down to 1 guy on this team who has stepped up like a man. Brian Johnson has been doing work in his last several starts. He looks like a man who deserves to be a big league starter. Every team in this league has at least one starter on their team that's worse than him (including this one in the person of Drew Pomeranz). I'm convinced that if there's justice in the world, BJ has pitched his last Minor League inning.

 

He reminds me of a lefthanded Bronson Arroyo. For a spot starter, the dude has thrown 80 innings of decent ball, not counting what he did in the minors. He deserves to take the ball every 5 games. This guy is only our 7th starter and he's as good as many #3s.

 

Johnson has done a great job of positioning himself either as a cost controlled option for the bottom of our rotation next year, or a useful trade chip for something else we want from another team. I think he has definitely established some legitimate trade value for himself with his solid performance this year. I know if I was an executive on another team looking for solid depth arms upgrade my rotation, Johnson would be one of the pitchers I'd be asking about.

Edited August 18, 2018 by Dojji

[tombirner]

If Sale has even the slightest inkling of priority in the Cy Young award, he should be traded today...

 

Yeah, maybe my post was sort of cynical. Hopefully he doesn't care at all about that. Well along with the money and the awards, I'll also say that maybe the competitor in him maybe would not accept missing a month of the season if he feels totally healthy and could pitch, you know?

[vegasbob]

I'll take the not phantom DL side . I suspect Sale actually feels discomfort when doing his bullpen session between starts. He is smart enough regarding the team's and his own personal outcomes to report it and get rest/treatment or whatever he needs. The ailment may be minor, not debilitating and with the 10 game lead, another rest period is affordable.

 

Given Sale's apparent competitive personality and his own statements today, I really doubt he would go along with a team sponsored truly fake injury, just so they can add another reliever in Workman. So I go with minor discomfort, and no need right now to force an issue with Erod coming back shortly ( ?) I think the DL was retro a couple days , so in about a week, it will become more clear.

[oldtimer]

I'll take the not phantom DL side . I suspect Sale actually feels discomfort when doing his bullpen session between starts. He is smart enough regarding the team's and his own personal outcomes to report it and get rest/treatment or whatever he needs. The ailment may be minor, not debilitating and with the 10 game lead, another rest period is affordable.

 

Given Sale's apparent competitive personality and his own statements today, I really doubt he would go along with a team sponsored truly fake injury, just so they can add another reliever in Workman. So I go with minor discomfort, and no need right now to force an issue with Erod coming back shortly ( ?) I think the DL was retro a couple days , so in about a week, it will become more clear.

 

We should be seriously concerned as this is the second time he has felt shoulder discomfort. They need to do the MRI and try to uderstand the cause.

[d-money]

Call me concerned now. Wow. I just learned about this right now. Why the hell would they rest him as well. You don’t want a rusty pitcher either. Ughhhh

[d-money]

Call me concerned now. Wow. I just learned about this right now. Why the hell would they rest him as well. You don’t want a rusty pitcher either. Ughhhh

[d-money]

We should be seriously concerned as this is the second time he has felt shoulder discomfort. They need to do the MRI and try to uderstand the cause.

 

They have to do something. Where’s the problem coming from

[Kimmi]

I'll take the not phantom DL side . I suspect Sale actually feels discomfort when doing his bullpen session between starts. He is smart enough regarding the team's and his own personal outcomes to report it and get rest/treatment or whatever he needs. The ailment may be minor, not debilitating and with the 10 game lead, another rest period is affordable.

 

Given Sale's apparent competitive personality and his own statements today, I really doubt he would go along with a team sponsored truly fake injury, just so they can add another reliever in Workman. So I go with minor discomfort, and no need right now to force an issue with Erod coming back shortly ( ?) I think the DL was retro a couple days , so in about a week, it will become more clear.

 

This is my take as well. I don't think it's a phantom injury, but I also think that if we were in the playoffs right now, Sale would push through it.

 

I'm hoping that the Sox are just choosing to be extremely cautious because they have the luxury to do so. There hasn't been any indication in his recent performances that something is seriously wrong.

 

Also, no MRI and Sale passed all the strength tests, so that's encouraging.

[d-money]

This is my take as well. I don't think it's a phantom injury, but I also think that if we were in the playoffs right now, Sale would push through it.

 

I'm hoping that the Sox are just choosing to be extremely cautious because they have the luxury to do so. There hasn't been any indication in his recent performances that something is seriously wrong.

 

Also, no MRI and Sale passed all the strength tests, so that's encouraging.

 

 

Just hope they don’t botch this. When he’s ready to pitch you put him on the field.

[Station 13]

No way this is a phantom DL. Sale would not sit out in the CY race and he doesn't back down.

[jacksonianmarch]

For his last stint, I thought maybe they were resting him and then he went out and dominated. Hence, I thought it strange he’d sign off an a DL stint noting his shoulder especially with his contract year coming up. Now, he’s clearly got something in there. Is it minor? Is it major? Who the heck knows. Labrum tears don’t always manifest with pain like cuff injuries do. You’ll either lose velo or have trouble loosening up. Clearly the Sox aren’t happy here, but the timing couldn’t be worse for Sale. This second DL stint may have cost him multiple millions of dollars

[jacksonianmarch]

And if he ends up ok, the Sox just saved themselves a fortune when they try to re-sign him

[Station 13]

And if he ends up ok, the Sox just saved themselves a fortune when they try to re-sign him

 

He's not a FA until 2019.

[Nick]

He's not a FA until 2019.

 

You got it. There's a team option at $13.5M.

 

Only FA pitchers are Kelly, Kimbrel and Pom.

Edited August 19, 2018 by Nick