Who Should the Red Sox Trade For?

[notin]

Like we didn't know we'd be "in it" in January?

 

WE didn't know who would be healthy...

[Bellhorn04]

Like we didn't know we'd be "in it" in January?

 

I'm not really sure what you're saying. It's common for teams to wait until the July deadline to assess where they are and what their 'final needs' are. I'm suggesting that the Sox might be prepared to go a little over the limit and incur the penalties. You seem to be asking why didn't they go way over the limit already, like in the offseason, if they're prepared to go over by a little now.

[Natick to NC]

Does this guy get paid for writing?

 

Yes he does and it was just an excercise of what if only .

[Natick to NC]

I never said DD would not go over the max line. I actually said, if he is going to do so, why hasn't he already, and why not go way over, then?

 

Apologies Moon guess I didn't get that from his post .

[oldtimer]

I never said DD would not go over the max line. I actually said, if he is going to do so, why hasn't he already, and why not go way over, then?

 

So far DD hasn't gone over and picked up a pretty good insurance player in Pearse. I believe you also raised the possibility of us trading an existing resource (were you thinking Pomeranz?) to clear some luxury cap space and perhaps pick up a reliever. The idea of getting Gennett is a dream but with the Reds back in it, they will not want to go in that direction. Our need other than possibly 2nd base is another reliever, probably a lefty. I don't believe DD wants to go over the limit so we will soon see how he intends to strengthen the team. The Yankees will probably look for a starter so they will also be trying to strengthen.

[moonslav59]

I'm not really sure what you're saying. It's common for teams to wait until the July deadline to assess where they are and what their 'final needs' are. I'm suggesting that the Sox might be prepared to go a little over the limit and incur the penalties. You seem to be asking why didn't they go way over the limit already, like in the offseason, if they're prepared to go over by a little now.

 

There were so many bargains in January and even February. If we truly did not have a big concern about going over the max line, I think we should have (would have?) gone over then and still left the option to make some deadline deals if anyone was injured or struggling.

 

I'm still not convinced we will go over, and I've been going on the assumption we didn't want to. Maybe I've been wrong (not the first time).

 

I do still think we might deal Pom to free up space, if he ever gets some value back.

 

If we go over, I'm wondering about going over by $5-10M not $1-2M. At this point the difference is not that much once the penalty is kicked in anyways.

 

[Larry Cook]

Does Pomeranz have any value at this point?

 

How much is San Fran paying sandavol, don’t we get a credit against our cap for that amount?

[harmony]

Does Pomeranz have any value at this point?

 

How much is San Fran paying sandavol, don’t we get a credit against our cap for that amount?

The San Francisco Giants pay Pablo Sandoval the league minimum salary of $545,000 and the Red Sox pay the balance of his $18 million salary.

 

The league minimum salary goes up to $555,000 next year when the Sox will still be on the hook for the balance of Sandoval's $18 million salary.

 

According to Cot's Baseball Contracts, the Red Sox will be responsible for the $5 million buyout of the $17 million team option for 2020.

 

 

http://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/nl-west/san-francisco-giants/

 

Each dollar the Red Sox pay to Sandoval will count in the luxury tax accounting.

Edited July 5, 2018 by harmony

[jacksonianmarch]

DD has said he will go over, but I’ll believe that when I see it. Henry was the one laughing at the Yankees in 2013 for their roster building approach and he’s the one following the same path of unsustainability. The IFA penalties and draft pick penalties associated with going over are very problematic. Dropping 10 spots from the back of the draft drops out into the competitive balance selections. That’s even worse than comp picks and drops the bonus allotment by $600K. With slot money being the new game in the draft, losing that amount means less talent in slot 1 or far less talent should you take and underslot at 1 and redistribute to others in the draft.

[Bellhorn04]

There were so many bargains in January and even February. If we truly did not have a big concern about going over the max line, I think we should have (would have?) gone over then and still left the option to make some deadline deals if anyone was injured or struggling.

 

Other than Moustakas, what big bargains are you talking about?

[jacksonianmarch]

There were “bargains” outside of Moose and every one of them has underperformed. Lance Lynn, Neil Walker, and Logan Morrison have been terrible.

[jacksonianmarch]

Sox were scouting Nathan Eovaldi this past week. My guess is the Sox are looking for a better replacement for Wright than Johnson. I applaud the Sox and their aggressiveness before the deadline. They understand how important home field will be

[Slasher9]

. Henry was the one laughing at the Yankees in 2013 for their roster building approach .

 

Link?

[jacksonianmarch]

Cmon now, you don’t remember the comments from him about not paying for past performance when referencing the Yankees? Remember how he said you don’t build a rotation on the free agent market? Cmon now

[Slasher9]

Cmon now, you don’t remember the comments from him about not paying for past performance when referencing the Yankees? Remember how he said you don’t build a rotation on the free agent market? Cmon now

we have always gotten our pitching through FA / trades.

i didnt think Commander Data spoke.

[jacksonianmarch]

He spoke after the 2013 title. I like the monicker though. Data? Lol

[Slasher9]

He spoke after the 2013 title. I like the monicker though. Data? Lol

 

he's pale and robot like:

 

[Kimmi]

Like we didn't know we'd be "in it" in January?

 

Stranger things have happened.

 

We should have been "in it" in 2014.

[Kimmi]

Well, when you consider the way we hit last year, I think confidence would have to put on hold.

 

All signs pointed towards our hitting being much improved this year.

 

That said, you obviously have a much clearer picture in July than what you have in January.

[illinoisredsox]

Does this guy get paid for writing?

 

It’s a “what if the Red Sox were in Miami Marlins mode” fantasy piece. Not meant to be serious.

[harmony]

Some Yankee fans bemoan the Red Sox acquisition of Steve Pearce:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/138070-2018-Trade-Deadline-Thread/page102

 

Scroll down.

[moonslav59]

All signs pointed towards our hitting being much improved this year.

 

That said, you obviously have a much clearer picture in July than what you have in January.

 

You're missing my point. We're doing better now than expected. Why would doing better mean we feel like we have a greater need to trade than when we weren't so sure?

 

We knew we were going to be in the race in January. The only thing that has changed is that we are more sure of our offense. To me, that should create less need for going over the max line not more need.

 

If we go over, my argument is going to be, we should have done it in January, when cheap pieces were available left and right at no added cost other than financial. (Doing it then or now still brings the equal draft penalties.)

 

Are you arguing that we thought we might be out of it (in January) and not need to spend to go over the max, and that is why we waited?

[moonslav59]

Some Yankee fans bemoan the Red Sox acquisition of Steve Pearce:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/138070-2018-Trade-Deadline-Thread/page102

 

Scroll down.

 

The guy we traded for Pearce wasn't ever mentioned in talks of trades for anybody significant. I'm sure we can trade for other players as good as Pearce without losing our best prospects.

 

The tricky part is the budget and max penalties.

[Thunder]

Some Yankee fans bemoan the Red Sox acquisition of Steve Pearce:

 

http://www.nyyfansforum.com/showthread.php/138070-2018-Trade-Deadline-Thread/page102

 

Scroll down.

 

I like the post that says the Jays are scheming with us to hurt the Yankees

[notin]

I like the post that says the Jays are scheming with us to hurt the Yankees

 

I don’t think any fan base contains as many whiny conspiracy theorists as the Yankee fan base...

[Bellhorn04]

You're missing my point. We're doing better now than expected. Why would doing better mean we feel like we have a greater need to trade than when we weren't so sure?

 

We knew we were going to be in the race in January. The only thing that has changed is that we are more sure of our offense. To me, that should create less need for going over the max line not more need.

 

If we go over, my argument is going to be, we should have done it in January, when cheap pieces were available left and right at no added cost other than financial. (Doing it then or now still brings the equal draft penalties.)

 

Are you arguing that we thought we might be out of it (in January) and not need to spend to go over the max, and that is why we waited?

 

a) There was a lot of uncertainty in January. The signing of JDM wasn't announced until Feb. 19.

 

You don't know in January what your needs are going to be in July because of injuries or underperformance.

 

c) Who are all these bargain pieces you keep talking about?

[Jack Flap]

Red Sox Interested In Fernando Rodney

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/red-sox-interested-in-fernando-rodney.html

[harmony]

I don’t think any fan base contains as many whiny conspiracy theorists as the Yankee fan base...

As a fan who visits many baseball forums, I must say Red Sox fans rank right up there.

[Station 13]

Red Sox Interested In Fernando Rodney

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/07/red-sox-interested-in-fernando-rodney.html

 

f*** that. No thank you.

[oldtimer]

Haven't heard anymore about Pedroia. That is one area to keep our eye on. Holt aand Nunez have to fill in there every game and are also the backup and third and short. Maybe Phillips is coming along but have heard nothing about him. Could be we won't ever see a fully healthy and performing Pedroia again.