Fire alex cora

[Bellhorn04]

Well 12 walks in 11IP for one of the best control starting pitchers in the AL, for one...

 

So results prove cause? No, I don't think so.

[notin]

So results prove cause? No, I don't think so.

 

 

Well, we have 5 starting pitchers all performing below their normal levels and some at career-worst levels. This means one of two things

 

1) Massive level of coincidence.

2) Something was done differently.

[Bellhorn04]

Well, we have 5 starting pitchers all performing below their normal levels and some at career-worst levels. This means one of two things

 

1) Massive level of coincidence.

2) Something was done differently.

 

It could have to do with the extra postseason load as well, with Sale, Price, Porcello and Eovaldi all pitching in relief as well as starting. That was out of the ordinary too. Cora tried to do something about it and maybe what he did was counterproductive.

 

But it really doesn't make sense to me that the sole explanation is that these veteran pitchers were all unprepared for the season.

[notin]

It could have to do with the extra postseason load as well, with Sale, Price, Porcello and Eovaldi all pitching in relief as well as starting. That was out of the ordinary too. Cora tried to do something about it and maybe what he did was counterproductive.

 

But it really doesn't make sense to me that the sole explanation is that these veteran pitchers were all unprepared for the season.

 

I would suspect a primary reason for the light loads in Spring Training was heavily influenced by the extra activity in the postseason. Extra IP in October are likely a big factor in why so few teams repeat any more...

[Jack Flap]

Fire Alex Coma now! Only one ring ceremony in the last three weeks...pathetic.

[jad]

Thank you, I appreciate that.

 

I didnt even even know how to respond to him, I called myself out then get piled on. For once, I was lost for words hahaha.

 

its ok though, moonslav blocked me. JAD will be my new target.

 

What? Are you 10 years old? Why not get real enemies instead of inventing them on the internet.

[Northern Star]

What? Are you 10 years old? Why not get real enemies instead of inventing them on the internet.

 

I suspect his time here will not be long at this rate.

[Elktonnick]

It could have to do with the extra postseason load as well, with Sale, Price, Porcello and Eovaldi all pitching in relief as well as starting. That was out of the ordinary too. Cora tried to do something about it and maybe what he did was counterproductive.

 

But it really doesn't make sense to me that the sole explanation is that these veteran pitchers were all unprepared for the season.

 

I was at Spring Training, my fifth in a row. The starters worked much less this year than any of the previous four. The idea that working until November meant that they needed more than three months rest before starting normal baseball activities is nonsense. These are young men. Virtually every non NESN analyst said much the same as did Eckersley, the Os analysts and now even Jerry Remy.

 

I posted on another forum after leaving Florida that their starters weren't ready and they were headed for an unsuccessful West Coast start which they had. Anyone who watched this team closely could see that the starters were between two to three weeks behind where they needed to be at the start of the season. The starters being unprepared caused Cora to overwork the bullpen in the early games which will have a lasting effect some of which we are seeing now. In my view Cora spring training regime was ill conceived combined with the obvious fact that DD failed to provide the club with a solid left hander in the bull pen are two of the primary reasons for the current state of affairs.

 

This idea of over resting ballplayers has become an insidious self fulfilling prophecy which results in many athletes being unprepared and without the stamina to go the long haul. Managing at any level and in any industry is all about balancing workloads. At this point of the season Cora has done about a poor a job of that as he did an excellent job of it last year.

 

 

The starters should be up to speed by now. I just hope the team hasn't dug too big a hole for itself by Cora's spring training blunder. In any case DD still needs a quality left hander in the pen

Edited April 19, 2019 by Elktonnick

[Bellhorn04]

I was at Spring Training, my fifth in a row. The starters worked much less this year than any of the previous four. The idea that working until November meant that they needed more than three months rest before starting normal baseball activities is nonsense. These are young men. Virtually every non NESN analyst said much the same as did Eckersley, the Os analysts and now even Jerry Remy.

 

Cora's rest program may have been a failure. But being 'young men' has nothing to do with it. It's about the unnatural stress that pitching puts on the human arm.

 

Countless pitchers have had their careers ended by injury or loss of effectiveness before they were 30, while they were still very young men.

[Elktonnick]

Being young means you recover quicker. Pitching injuries come mainly from improper mechanics. Four months rest doesn't cure improper mechanics. Warren Spahn was throwing complete games in his forties

[SCM33]

What? Are you 10 years old? Why not get real enemies instead of inventing them on the internet.

 

 

You must have missed when I already went at you in other threads.

 

Either reply to me, or dont. Dont wait 5 days, bitch.

[SCM33]

I suspect his time here will not be long at this rate.

 

Wrong, bitch.

[cp176]

I was at Spring Training, my fifth in a row. The starters worked much less this year than any of the previous four. The idea that working until November meant that they needed more than three months rest before starting normal baseball activities is nonsense. These are young men. Virtually every non NESN analyst said much the same as did Eckersley, the Os analysts and now even Jerry Remy.

 

I posted on another forum after leaving Florida that their starters weren't ready and they were headed for an unsuccessful West Coast start which they had. Anyone who watched this team closely could see that the starters were between two to three weeks behind where they needed to be at the start of the season. The starters being unprepared caused Cora to overwork the bullpen in the early games which will have a lasting effect some of which we are seeing now. In my view Cora spring training regime was ill conceived combined with the obvious fact that DD failed to provide the club with a solid left hander in the bull pen are two of the primary reasons for the current state of affairs.

 

This idea of over resting ballplayers has become an insidious self fulfilling prophecy which results in many athletes being unprepared and without the stamina to go the long haul. Managing at any level and in any industry is all about balancing workloads. At this point of the season Cora has done about a poor a job of that as he did an excellent job of it last year.

 

 

The starters should be up to speed by now. I just hope the team hasn't dug too big a hole for itself by Cora's spring training blunder. In any case DD still needs a quality left hander in the pen

 

I think that I am pretty much with you here. Cora is an excellent manager for this team regardless. I think that there has to be a learning curve for him that continued success will allow him to get. There has to be a balance somewhere between working too hard and getting too much rest. Like you, I get a little tired of the "need to rest these guys refrain". There has to be a middle ground, a balance found.

[Slasher9]

28-May-2019

the date that Alex Cora's nickname became official.

WTF Cora

[mvp 78]

I too like to blame Cora for when the bullpen implodes. Cora should have thrown better pitchers and signed different guys in the offseason!

[mvp 78]

When even Vegas Bob doesn't blame Cora...

 

You could try to write this game off as just one of those "baseball" things that happen. But, I would say it is a clear indictment of DD to think that a junk squad bullpen and some retread veterans ( Pearce, Nunez) could stay very competitive for the season. They are relying on guys like Chavis for whom they did not plan to promote until September.

 

What should Cora have done in the 9th. The FO gives him chicken shits and expects chicken salad . Cora leaves the so-called MLB level throwers out there to show Dombrowski, you give me crap, I give losses.

 

The players will say you brush it off and line up tomorrow. That works for them. For the organization as a whole, this game highlights some real shortcomings they will need to deal with.

[Bellhorn04]

I too like to blame Cora for when the bullpen implodes. Cora should have thrown better pitchers and signed different guys in the offseason!

 

Truth.

[notin]

I too like to blame Cora for when the bullpen implodes. Cora should have thrown better pitchers and signed different guys in the offseason!

 

 

But... but... but... then who would back up Moreland at first base?

[Slasher9]

I too like to blame Cora for when the bullpen implodes. Cora should have thrown better pitchers and signed different guys in the offseason!

 

or he could have at least had hembree up for the 9th? once the first dingah sailed over the wall perhaps it was a signal that braz was going to cough it up?

WTF Cora

[notin]

or he could have at least had hembree up for the 9th? once the first dingah sailed over the wall perhaps it was a signal that braz was going to cough it up?

WTF Cora

 

My biggest gripe with Cora is his dedication to Brasier. While Ryan was very good last year as the fourth option in the bullpen, it’s entirely possible there is a reason no other teams touched him for 5 years. And the Sox might have pinned too much responsibility to is 30 IP from last year.

 

That said, it’s not like Dombrowski did anything to give Cora better options. It’s not like Cora is bypassing Aroldis Chapman to get those save chances to Brasier...

[OH FOY]

With so many games in a Baseball season, 2 game swings are not that big. But, with the Yankees losing, and then the Sox losing, late this was a 2 game swing, at least to me. With a 4 game series in New York, you want to bring down that lead as much as you can going there.

You never know a game like this will be a difference later in the season.

Edited May 29, 2019 by OH FOY!

[notin]

or he could have at least had hembree up for the 9th? once the first dingah sailed over the wall perhaps it was a signal that braz was going to cough it up?

WTF Cora

 

The thing is, it’s not like Brasier had a tough assignment. Perez is a career .208 hitter and Allen was batting .087 at the time.

 

I think there is a strong possibility that the 2018 Ryan Brasier and his 30IP might not have been completely representative...

[Slasher9]

The thing is, it’s not like Brasier had a tough assignment. Perez is a career .208 hitter and Allen was batting .087 at the time.

 

I think there is a strong possibility that the 2018 Ryan Brasier and his 30IP might not have been completely representative...

 

it sure is looking that way. is there anyone down in the minors that we can speed up to give a shot at RP? seems we have at least 3 guys in the pen that we absolutely cannot trust in med or high leverage situations.

[Noles_1335]

Some guys in the minors are having great seasons and should get a chance. However, its seems as if DD is too loyal to mediocre bats and arms right now. Who would be front runners out there that we could go get to help the BP situation. Definitely need a lefty in the pen and a reliable closer....

[OH FOY]

Does the Owner tell how much a GM can spend, or cant. When your looking at crap going downhill, you should usually look at the Top of the Hill.

[notin]

Does the Owner tell how much a GM can spend, or cant.

 

Very likely. But it’s not like Henry has been handcuffing Dombrowski with his $240mill payroll...

[OH FOY]

Very likely. But it’s not like Henry has been handcuffing Dombrowski with his $240mill payroll...

 

So your saying Henry told him its OK to spend? From what I have been reading all year, Henry wanted to stay under the High Luxury Tax penalty. So in a way it seems Dombrowski is handcuffed some. Some guys that are not contributing, that are not here, hand-cuffed Dombrowski too.

[Bellhorn04]

So your saying Henry told him its OK to spend? From what I have been reading all year, Henry wanted to stay under the High Luxury Tax penalty. So in a way it seems Dombrowski is handcuffed some. Some guys that are not contributing, that are not here, hand-cuffed Dombrowski too.

 

Every other GM in baseball would like to be handcuffed the way DD is.

[OH FOY]

Some guys in the minors are having great seasons and should get a chance. However, its seems as if DD is too loyal to mediocre bats and arms right now. Who would be front runners out there that we could go get to help the BP situation. Definitely need a lefty in the pen and a reliable closer....

 

Got nothing to lose, keep bringing them up.

[OH FOY]

Every other GM in baseball would like to be handcuffed the way DD is.

 

I guess your not getting my point, no problem. He is handcuffed, if knowing before the season you were going over the Luxury Tax anyway, but Owner told him not to go over the High Luxury Tax penalty. Your limited. Don't go by what was spent already for a Championship. That's giving.