Fire alex cora

[illinoisredsox]

Get rid of this guy today before the hammer drops .

 

If they fire him, they have to pay him the remainder of his contract. If he's suspended, they don't.

 

One way or the other, he's not going to be managing the Sox in 2020, so why pay him not to?

[Slasher9]

This s*** is so funny to me. Life is really absurd sometimes.

 

you know....or Astros just fired hinch so yeah...not too absurd to think that WTF is going to get axed too......

[notin]

you know....or Astros just fired hinch so yeah...not too absurd to think that WTF is going to get axed too......

 

 

The Astros at least had the decency to see what Hinch’s punishment was before firing him. So far Cora hasn’t even been established as guilty...

[Elktonnick]

The Astros at least had the decency to see what Hinch’s punishment was before firing him. So far Cora hasn’t even been established as guilty...

Bull s***! The report clearly showsCora's guilt. They just have not determined his punishment which could be worse.

[Nick]

Bull s***! The report clearly showsCora's guilt. They just have not determined his punishment which could be worse.

 

Alex Cora (Bench Coach). Cora was involved in developing both the banging scheme

and utilizing the replay review room to decode and transmit signs. Cora participated in

both schemes, and through his active participation, implicitly condoned the players’

conduct. I will withhold determining the appropriate level of discipline for Cora until after

the DOI completes its investigation of the allegations that the Red Sox engaged in

impermissible electronic sign stealing in 2018 while Cora was the manager.

 

He needs to go. He's dirty.

[Elktonnick]

Alex Cora (Bench Coach). Cora was involved in developing both the banging scheme

and utilizing the replay review room to decode and transmit signs. Cora participated in

both schemes, and through his active participation, implicitly condoned the players’

conduct. I will withhold determining the appropriate level of discipline for Cora until after

the DOI completes its investigation of the allegations that the Red Sox engaged in

impermissible electronic sign stealing in 2018 while Cora was the manager.

 

He needs to go. He's dirty.

 

It is not beyond the possibility that Cora will be banned from baseball if the rules permit.

[moonslav59]

Losing draft picks depends on evidence the Sox cheated under Cora- not what he did with Houston.

[TylerD]

So who manages us?

[bkzwhitestrican]

So who manages us?

 

Maybe that should be the newest thread/poll (since there's already five about the same topic) - which member of TalkSox would make the best manager?

[moonslav59]

Maybe that should be the newest thread/poll (since there's already five about the same topic) - which member of TalkSox would make the best manager?

 

Not jacko.

[Slasher9]

From the Houston investigation...

Alex Cora’s involvement

 

The report sums up Cora’s role as:

 

“Cora was involved in developing both the banging scheme and utilizing the replay review room to decode and transmit signs. Cora participated in both schemes, and through his active participation, implicitly condoned the players’ conduct. I will withhold determining the appropriate level of discipline for Cora until after the DOI completes its investigation of the allegations that the Red Sox engaged in impermissible electronic sign stealing in 2018 while Cora was the manager.’’

 

Here are the details on Cora’s involvement:

Cora began calling the replay review room “early in the season’’ in 2017 to get information on signs. Sometimes, the info was communicated via text message to a staffer wearing a smart watch on the bench or a nearby phone.

Two months into the 2017 season, Cora arranged for a staffer to install a monitor right outside the Astros dugout that showed the center field camera feed. Players normally used the feed in-game to adjust their swings. The Astros used it to decode signs. Players would determine a sign and send a message to the hitter by banging on a trash can.

 

Takeaway: It means Cora had an outsized role in the most notable scandal originally reported by The Athletic in November. The scheme is described as “player driven.’’

 

■ The investigation did not find the Astros used the banging scheme in 2018; but the replay room was used to decode signs and send them to the dugout. That process stopped sometime during the season “because the players no longer believed it was effective.’’

 

Takeaway: After Alex Cora left the team to take over as Red Sox manager, the use of the replay room dissipated. The investigation didn’t find evidence the Astros cheated during the 2018 postseason.

 

■ Manfred said that because Cora was “an active participant in the scheme’’ and that Hinch was aware, players may have thought the behavior was encouraged.

[S5Dewey]

From the Houston investigation...

Alex Cora’s involvement

 

The report sums up Cora’s role as:

 

“Cora was involved in developing both the banging scheme and utilizing the replay review room to decode and transmit signs. Cora participated in both schemes, and through his active participation, implicitly condoned the players’ conduct. I will withhold determining the appropriate level of discipline for Cora until after the DOI completes its investigation of the allegations that the Red Sox engaged in impermissible electronic sign stealing in 2018 while Cora was the manager.’’

 

Here are the details on Cora’s involvement:

Cora began calling the replay review room “early in the season’’ in 2017 to get information on signs. Sometimes, the info was communicated via text message to a staffer wearing a smart watch on the bench or a nearby phone.

Two months into the 2017 season, Cora arranged for a staffer to install a monitor right outside the Astros dugout that showed the center field camera feed. Players normally used the feed in-game to adjust their swings. The Astros used it to decode signs. Players would determine a sign and send a message to the hitter by banging on a trash can.

 

Takeaway: It means Cora had an outsized role in the most notable scandal originally reported by The Athletic in November. The scheme is described as “player driven.’’

 

■ The investigation did not find the Astros used the banging scheme in 2018; but the replay room was used to decode signs and send them to the dugout. That process stopped sometime during the season “because the players no longer believed it was effective.’’

 

Takeaway: After Alex Cora left the team to take over as Red Sox manager, the use of the replay room dissipated. The investigation didn’t find evidence the Astros cheated during the 2018 postseason.

 

■ Manfred said that because Cora was “an active participant in the scheme’’ and that Hinch was aware, players may have thought the behavior was encouraged.

 

Cora's involvement aside, was this CF camera feed something that only the team could see, or was it a broadcast feed such as NESN, etc?

 

If this camera was set up by the Astros to see the catcher's signals and was only available to the team... then you've got something!

OTOH, if it was a live broadcast feed it raises another question: MLB knew there was a camera in CF not owned by the Astros that was showing the catcher's signals and they expected the teams to NOT take advantage of it??? Can you spell niave? Can I spell Neive?

 

Anyway... Naive?

[harmony]

From Boston Globe columnist Dan Shaughnessy:

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2020/01/14/red-sox-should-fire-manager-alex-cora-wake-cheating-scandal/yVLqHv4NweKeqQDgfG0R7N/story.html?et_rid=1739401789&s_campaign=108stitches:newsletter

[Slasher9]

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[Bellhorn04]

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Get ready with a new one for the next guy.

[mvp 78]

Get ready with a new one for the next guy.

 

Joey Cora.

[notin]

New York post suggests Varitek, Dusty Baker or Matt Quatraro.

 

If the Sox just go for it, Baker is the guy. But I would imagine Bloom will seriously consider his former Tampa employee Quatraro.

 

Varitek strikes me as a fan choice and nothing more...

[mvp 78]

New York post suggests Varitek, Dusty Baker or Matt Quatraro.

 

If the Sox just go for it, Baker is the guy. But I would imagine Bloom will seriously consider his former Tampa employee Quatraro.

 

Varitek strikes me as a fan choice and nothing more...

 

Baker couldn't possibly hurt Sale, Eovaldi or Price anymore than they already are.

[notin]

Baker couldn't possibly hurt Sale, Eovaldi or Price anymore than they already are.

 

He’s usually only tough on younger pitchers...

[notin]

Get ready with a new one for the next guy.

 

Is it too soon to start the “Fire Ron Roenicke” thread? Or should we wait until he is actually hired?

[Elktonnick]

Is it too soon to start the “Fire Ron Roenicke” thread? Or should we wait until he is actually hired?

 

I think Bloom will stay away from Roenicke unless or until MLB gives Boston some assurances that his name is not linked to the investigation. I think that is true for all the internal candidates.

Remember no one yet knows if the buck stops with Dombrowski or if higher ups get sucked in to this scandal.

[mvp 78]

[cp176]

Why from a long ago time do I recall Baker's name being thrown around previously for the Red Sox job? At that time, I think that it seemed as though Baker was just too old and too old school for most here. I think that Roenike gets his chance.

[mvp 78]

I’ll give Rice-A-Roenicke a shot, but Cora already got it done. IMO, he should be manager in 2021.

[mvp 78]

Asked whether he felt Cora deserved a second chance, Kennedy said, “I do. That’s my personal feeling. He does need to go through a rehabilitation process. What he did was wrong. He acknowledged it to us and apologized to us for that. But I’m a big believer in second chances and we all wish him well.”

[mvp 78]

On the same call, Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom reiterated that when the team parted ways with Cora in January, it was for his conduct with the Astros, saying, ““It had nothing to do with what may or may not have occurred in Boston. That’s still the case.” Bloom stopped short of saying that he would hire Cora again, but did add, “My opinion of him is very high.”

[Kimmi]

On the same call, Red Sox chief baseball officer Chaim Bloom reiterated that when the team parted ways with Cora in January, it was for his conduct with the Astros, saying, ““It had nothing to do with what may or may not have occurred in Boston. That’s still the case.” Bloom stopped short of saying that he would hire Cora again, but did add, “My opinion of him is very high.”

 

All code for, "Welcome back in 2021 Cora!"

[mvp 78]

All code for, "Welcome back in 2021 Cora!"

 

Chris Cotillo is positing that he should be in the FO, not coaching. I disagree for now. I think someday he can go into the FO, but he still has a lot to provide as a manager.

[Kimmi]

Chris Cotillo is positing that he should be in the FO, not coaching. I disagree for now. I think someday he can go into the FO, but he still has a lot to provide as a manager.

 

I agree. He's good for the players.

[Elktonnick]

While I think Cora will manage again, I don't think it will be in Boston. I suspect that some other team will pick him up about 30 seconds after his suspension has officially ended.