A Realistic View at 2018: Part I

[moonslav59]

You do know that Sox can only carry 25 players, right?

 

Yeah, who would want Moustakas over Marrero or Holt. (Sarcasm alert)

 

We could also have traded players (Leon or Swihart) to make room for more bargain basement signings.

 

I hated the Moreland signing, but now it looks worse then awful.

 

 

I'm not complaining about the JD signing. I liked it.

 

I'm just saying we may look back and say we'd have done better with this... instead of that...

 

This...

Morrison (1B)

Moustakas (3B) (Devers to DH)

Nunez

Pitcher

 

instead of....

 

JDM

Moreland

Nunez

 

 

[Larry Cook]

Yeah, who would want Moustakas over Marrero or Holt. (Sarcasm alert)

 

We could also have traded players (Leon or Swihart) to make room for more bargain basement signings.

 

I hated the Moreland signing, but now it looks worse then awful.

 

 

I'm not complaining about the JD signing. I liked it.

 

I'm just saying we may look back and say we'd have done better with this... instead of that...

 

This...

Morrison (1B)

Moustakas (3B) (Devers to DH)

Nunez

Pitcher

 

instead of....

 

JDM

Moreland

Nunez

 

 

 

Come on brother, I thought you were a huge fan of moreland’s? Weren’t you the guy telling us that Moreland was custom built to Fenway and you predicted goldschimdt type numbers this year?

[Nick]

Yeah, who would want Moustakas over Marrero or Holt. (Sarcasm alert)

 

We could also have traded players (Leon or Swihart) to make room for more bargain basement signings.

 

I hated the Moreland signing, but now it looks worse then awful.

 

 

I'm not complaining about the JD signing. I liked it.

 

I'm just saying we may look back and say we'd have done better with this... instead of that...

 

This...

Morrison (1B)

Moustakas (3B) (Devers to DH)

Nunez

Pitcher

 

instead of....

 

JDM

Moreland

Nunez

 

 

Why would I want to move my young 3B to DH so early in his career? You don't think it would have devastating effect on him? Essentially you're saying Devers can't play defense at major league level. So you lie to him and say but we want you to keep practicing at 3B?

 

You're better poker player than I am. DD jumped on first chance to stabilize 1B spot. I think he likes Moreland. There's no way I waited until March 9th sign a position player. JD was different. DD realized JD did not have much of an alternative. He's going to make more money as DH than Ortiz ever did.

[Nick]

Betts

Nunez

JD

Devers

Benny

Ramirez

Swihart

X

JBJ

This is a deep scary order .

 

Especially when JBJ and Xander go on a tear.

[Bellhorn04]

Moustakas signs for $6.5M! What a steal!

 

$5.5M/1

 

$1M buyout on mutual option 2nd year at $15M.

 

 

Stunning. The guy was projected to get 5/85. And of course he turned down a 17.4 QO.

 

Just be thankful the Yanks didn't swoop in on this, I guess.

[moonslav59]

Why would I want to move my young 3B to DH so early in his career? You don't think it would have devastating effect on him? Essentially you're saying Devers can't play defense at major league level. So you lie to him and say but we want you to keep practicing at 3B?

 

I'd like to give time to Devers to develop his defense at 3B, but when a guy like Moose comes around at $7M/1, and you had a way to make him fit, you could jump at it.

 

Devers' defense is a significant negative right now, and we have a short window to win it all.

 

Devers could still have played 3B when Moose rested, and we could have DH'd Moose some, too.

 

You're better poker player than I am. DD jumped on first chance to stabilize 1B spot. I think he likes Moreland. There's no way I waited until March 9th sign a position player. JD was different. DD realized JD did not have much of an alternative. He's going to make more money as DH than Ortiz ever did.

 

I get this, and that's why I prefaced my statement with, "In hindsight, we may look back..."

 

DD did not know prices were going to drop this much.

 

Again, I like the JD signing, but these bargain deals look too good to not think, "what if...?"

[moonslav59]

Stunning. The guy was projected to get 5/85. And of course he turned down a 17.4 QO.

 

Just be thankful the Yanks didn't swoop in on this, I guess.

 

They may be poised to swoop in on Arrieta at $9M x 1 or something like that!

[Natick to NC]

Especially when JBJ and Xander go on a tear.

 

I just want X to become the player we need him to be ...he can breathe down there .

[Natick to NC]

They may be poised to swoop in on Arrieta at $9M x 1 or something like that!

 

Moon you're right along with others about the Mitch sign was an absolute butcher move by Dave ...I'm sorry but I'd be blowing the payroll up to get Arietta ...screw it and find a taker for a guy or two later next week ...pitching pitching and more pitching

Edited March 9, 2018 by Natick to NC

[Bellhorn04]

Moon you're right along with others about the Mitch sign was an absolute butcher move by Dave ...I'm sorry but I'd be blowing the payroll up to get Arietta ...screw it and find a taker for a guy or two later next week ...pitching pitching and more pitching

 

Poor Dave, he can't win...even when he has the most patient offseason of his life, he's still not patient enough.

[mvp 78]

They may be poised to swoop in on Arrieta at $9M x 1 or something like that!

 

Arrieta would be smarter to hold out the whole year than to play for 9M.

[cp176]

Poor Dave, he can't win...even when he has the most patient offseason of his life, he's still not patient enough.

 

Now I can once again agree with you Bellhorn. I like that. DD did what he felt needed to be done. He did well. No one could have accurately predicted what the market was going to do any more than they can predict what will happen going forward. Hindsight, hindsight, hindsight. We here tend to do this (second guess) the decisions made by our GMs in general. People can hate the Moreland sign all they want it still was not a bad sign - actually a good one at the time. Moreland represents the type of player I want to see in a Red Sox uniform.

[mvp 78]

Now I can once again agree with you Bellhorn. I like that. DD did what he felt needed to be done. He did well. No one could have accurately predicted what the market was going to do any more than they can predict what will happen going forward. Hindsight, hindsight, hindsight. We here tend to do this (second guess) the decisions made by our GMs in general. People can hate the Moreland sign all they want it still was not a bad sign - actually a good one at the time. Moreland represents the type of player I want to see in a Red Sox uniform.

 

And how many people that are complaining about it now were in a huff over it when the contract was signed?

[cp176]

And how many people that are complaining about it now were in a huff over it when the contract was signed?

 

An excellent point. Maybe DD should have read the fine print on the job description contract - need to also be a fortune teller!

[Nick]

I believe the good news in ALL of this is that with very few player exceptions, owners have come to their senses. I'm just now worried about having to give Betts a $300M, 10 year contract.

 

A case can be made for offering high dollar one year deals. Would Kimbrel reject a 'qualifying' offer as an example? I just don't see a Chapman deal for Kimbrel.

[mvp 78]

Moreland's deal is fine. The reason they can't sign Arrieta is that the owe Hanley and Panda 40M+ this year. If Ben didn't sign those stiffs, they'd be in a much better position this year.

[moonslav59]

And how many people that are complaining about it now were in a huff over it when the contract was signed?

 

First of all, I'm not complaining. I said, I liked the JD signing.

 

I'm just saying, in hindsight- and that's how GMs are all to often judged- these bargain deals look like massive steals by other GMs.

[a700hitter]

Moreland's deal is fine. The reason they can't sign Arrieta is that the owe Hanley and Panda 40M+ this year. If Ben didn't sign those stiffs, they'd be in a much better position this year.

Thanks Ben!

[mvp 78]

I believe the good news in ALL of this is that with very few player exceptions, owners have come to their senses. I'm just now worried about having to give Betts a $300M, 10 year contract.

 

A case can be made for offering high dollar one year deals. Would Kimbrel reject a 'qualifying' offer as an example? I just don't see a Chapman deal for Kimbrel.

 

Well, if he plays like he did last year, he won't get 30/per. It also greatly depends on what the market looks like after next offseason.

 

I think you could get Mookie for a 10/200 deal. He may rather a shorter deal at higher dollars that gets him another FA contract earlier in his career.

[mvp 78]

First of all, I'm not complaining. I said, I liked the JD signing.

 

I'm just saying, in hindsight- and that's how GMs are all to often judged- these bargain deals look like massive steals by other GMs.

 

In hindsight, everyone should apologize to me and admit that Pedroia should have been traded 2 years ago.

[mvp 78]

In hindsight, everyone should admit that I was the only one right about what Devers could do last year and you should all send pizza and beer to my house as reparations for me to have to listen to you disagreeing with me.

[mvp 78]

In hindsight, Dodgerblues should have won the Message Board Wars of 2008 so that we wouldn't all be wasting so much time on here and would be living much more productive lives.

[Bellhorn04]

In hindsight, Dodgerblues should have won the Message Board Wars of 2008 so that we wouldn't all be wasting so much time on here and would be living much more productive lives.

 

My time on here relaxes me and enables me to spend the rest of my time much more productively, so it's a net benefit.

[a700hitter]

In hindsight, everyone should apologize to me and admit that Pedroia should have been traded 2 years ago.

Call me a cockeyed optimist, but i still think the little maniac has something left in his tank.

[a700hitter]

In hindsight, everyone should admit that I was the only one right about what Devers could do last year and you should all send pizza and beer to my house as reparations for me to have to listen to you disagreeing with me.

I agreed with you about bringing up Devers. I wanted to bring him up earlier so dd would have a better handle on whether we needed to obtain another 3B at the TD. You should share the wealth of those reparations.

[mvp 78]

Call me a cockeyed optimist, but i still think the little maniac has something left in his tank.

 

The tank will crack open and spill the next time he slides headfirst into 1b.

[mvp 78]

I agreed with you about bringing up Devers. I wanted to bring him up earlier so dd would have a better handle on whether we needed to obtain another 3B at the TD. You should share the wealth of those reparations.

 

You can come to the pizza party.

[OH FOY]

Year from now we will be glad Moustakas is not on this team, with Devers at 3rd. We'll have to get through some growing pains on his Defense, but it will improve. KC signed him probably to deal him during season, and get Prospects. They are rebuilding.|

GM's around the league thought he was overrated for the money he was asking.

[a700hitter]

You can come to the pizza party.

Will the reparations cover the pizza and beer, or should I BMOB?

[moonslav59]

In hindsight, everyone should apologize to me and admit that Pedroia should have been traded 2 years ago.

 

I don't think I ever criticized you for that opinion, but yes, you were right.

 

Right or wrong, GMs are usually judged in hindsight. Ben should have known Pablo & HRam were going to suck and so on.... Theo should have known CC was about to implode.

 

I'm not being critical of DD on signing JD. I was critical of the Moreland signing before he even signed him, so that is not "hindsight" in my case.

 

Moose was a steal. We missed out on him. He cost the same as Moreland, but for just 1 year.

 

Even moving Moose to 1B and keeping Devers at 3B would have been better than signing Moreland. Why is it so wrong to point that out? I hear people pointing out Ben's mistakes years afterwards.