2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[moonslav59]

With Cobb, it's all about the value vs the stiff penalties for going more than $40million over the luxury limit.

 

He's a hell of a pitcher when healthy.

[Natick to NC]

Cobb would be an absolutely awful fit in Fenway. Cobb came back from TJS with terrible strikeout numbers and a career high HR rate. His ERA was all smoke and mirrors as his BABIP was down to .282. Most measures saw him as a low 4's ERA guy. If he went to Fenway, he would be a big time HR liability

 

JM you seem very knowledgeable but I look at all Yankee fans on any Redsox board as The equivalent of Pravda ....Thankyou for the input though ...TJ is a nasty undertaking .I guess we will see .

[Larry Cook]

With Cobb, it's all about the value vs the stiff penalties for going more than $40million over the luxury limit.

 

He's a hell of a pitcher when healthy.

 

If you are exceeding the maximum weight limit then something has to be discarded before more stuff added.

[Natick to NC]

If you are exceeding the maximum weight limit then something has to be discarded before more stuff added.

 

Yes and there will be soon ...tell me if this is off base just a theory ...Alex Did go through TJ as you folks pointed out ...is it out of realm of possibility that Dave has an agreement in hand and looking to deal Hanley soon ? Hanley feels very Redundant with JD and Mitch and Nuney and Swi all able to man that position .Alex gets to take even more time easing in this year ... Kinda got Alex Cobb on the Roster in my head now lol

Edited March 15, 2018 by Natick to NC

[harmony]

By my count Blake Swihart has appeared at catcher in only five* of his 13 Spring Training games so far this year (with five games as designated hitter, two games at first base and one game in left field).

 

* counting the February 22 game against Northeastern University. Swihart has caught only four games against MLB foes.

Blake Swihart reportedly will get a start at third base on Sunday:

 

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2018/03/blake_swihart_boston_red_soxs.html#incart_river_index

[moonslav59]

John Farrell joins Cincy... as a scout.

[jacksonianmarch]

Blake Swihart reportedly will get a start at third base on Sunday:

 

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2018/03/blake_swihart_boston_red_soxs.html#incart_river_index

 

I don’t understand it. Swihart is a catcher. Get him experience where his value will be best. He won’t be a good 3b. He was a terrible OFer. Groom him to catch, clearly nobody has a hold on the catcher position

[Nick]

Yes and there will be soon ...tell me if this is off base just a theory ...Alex Did go through TJ as you folks pointed out ...is it out of realm of possibility that Dave has an agreement in hand and looking to deal Hanley soon ? Hanley feels very Redundant with JD and Mitch and Nuney and Swi all able to man that position .Alex gets to take even more time easing in this year ... Kinda got Alex Cobb on the Roster in my head now lol

 

So our new manager Cora is a LIAR when he said he expects Hanley to be our starting 1B?

[Nick]

Blake Swihart reportedly will get a start at third base on Sunday:

 

http://www.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2018/03/blake_swihart_boston_red_soxs.html#incart_river_index

 

And I thought we already had a super super sub in Brock Holt.

[mvp 78]

So our new manager Cora is a LIAR when he said he expects Hanley to be our starting 1B?

 

Do we have to do this s*** again?

[Bellhorn04]

I don’t understand it. Swihart is a catcher. Get him experience where his value will be best. He won’t be a good 3b. He was a terrible OFer. Groom him to catch, clearly nobody has a hold on the catcher position

 

He had a UZR/150 of +8.0 in the OF. Not terrible at all.

[mvp 78]

He had a UZR/150 of +8.0 in the OF. Not terrible at all.

 

Got 'em.

[Nick]

Do we have to do this s*** again?

 

What s*** is that? I'm merely stating what Cora said and a poster thinks Hanley will/should be traded. I think Hanley should be platooned and not get vested for 2019.

[mvp 78]

What s*** is that? I'm merely stating what Cora said and a poster thinks Hanley will/should be traded. I think Hanley should be platooned and not get vested for 2019.

 

Management speak and lying are two different issues. If Cora is stating "well, if the season started today, Carson Smith would be our closer" isn't a lie, because Kimbrel is DTD. However, if the season starts and Kimbrel is the closer, people would see it as "why did he LIE about Smith being the closer"?

 

If Cora says "I expect Hanley to be our starting 1b" but Hanley gets traded later that day, it doesn't make him a liar. If Cora says "I expect Hanley will be our starting 1b" but Mitch is playing 1b on opening day, it doesn't make him a liar.

[moonslav59]

And I thought we already had a super super sub in Brock Holt.

 

He'll be in AAA, where he belongs, at least until he proves he's over the concussion issues.

[moonslav59]

Management speak and lying are two different issues. If Cora is stating "well, if the season started today, Carson Smith would be our closer" isn't a lie, because Kimbrel is DTD. However, if the season starts and Kimbrel is the closer, people would see it as "why did he LIE about Smith being the closer"?

 

If Cora says "I expect Hanley to be our starting 1b" but Hanley gets traded later that day, it doesn't make him a liar. If Cora says "I expect Hanley will be our starting 1b" but Mitch is playing 1b on opening day, it doesn't make him a liar.

 

Plus, there's a lot of gray area when calling somone the "starter" or "full time", and I don't think Cora ever used the word "full time" with HRam at 1B.

 

My guess is HRam starts 1B against every LH'd starter and maybe half the righties. If we face righties 68% of the time, that means HRam starts 34% (vs half the righties) and 32% (vs all lefties), which comes to about 66%. 66% of 700 PAs is just over 460. Add a few PH'ing PAs and it's perfect for not vesting.

 

It's also not a "lie" to say, "HRam is the starter at 1B."

[mvp 78]

He'll be in AAA, where he belongs, at least until he proves he's over the concussion issues.

 

I hope so.

[moonslav59]

I hope so.

 

Either we DFA or phantom DL marrero, or Holt starts out in AAA. It's not between Swihart and either of these two. It's choosing one between those two, withLin having an outside shot.

 

We could keep both for 4 days by starting Velazquez in AAA and calling him up for game 5.

[mvp 78]

Either we DFA or phantom DL marrero, or Holt starts out in AAA. It's not between Swihart and either of these two. It's choosing one between those two, withLin having an outside shot.

 

We could keep both for 4 days by starting Velazquez in AAA and calling him up for game 5.

 

I'm not a huge fan of Marrero, but he's better than Holt for sure. I like having a good glove on the bench for late innings too.

[Kimmi]

The way I see it, we overpaid for Moreland in order to 1) avoid getting into a position of desperation in the JDM negotiations (with the option of playing Moreland at first and Hanley at DH, we were able to wait him out as long as we needed to), and 2) in the event JDM was signed, insure ourselves against Hanley being bad again. It was indeed an overpay when you look at what guys like Moustakas ended up getting in this market, and if Hanley can hit and play 1B the way he did in 2016, Moreland becomes pretty superfluous, but the deal still made sense at the time, IMO, and I have no problem with it.

 

As always, well said.

[Hitch]

The way I see it, we overpaid for Moreland in order to 1) avoid getting into a position of desperation in the JDM negotiations (with the option of playing Moreland at first and Hanley at DH, we were able to wait him out as long as we needed to), and 2) in the event JDM was signed, insure ourselves against Hanley being bad again. It was indeed an overpay when you look at what guys like Moustakas ended up getting in this market, and if Hanley can hit and play 1B the way he did in 2016, Moreland becomes pretty superfluous, but the deal still made sense at the time, IMO, and I have no problem with it.

 

Yeah, like Kimmi said - good post. A whole lot of people are making way too big a deal out of it, mostly using a whole lot of hindsight to do so. The deal was absolutely fine at the time and is still fine now.

[Nick]

give me a f***ing break.

 

Unlike you, I take best information possible to form my opinion.

 

When the manager says Hanley is the starter and therefroe Moreland is not, I take his word for it.

 

Any dumb asses really think another team is looking to take on Hanley's salary? How much of salary and do we also get a player in return or do we give up a player?

 

Lets f***ing trade for Machado while we're at it.

[cp176]

Yeah, like Kimmi said - good post. A whole lot of people are making way too big a deal out of it, mostly using a whole lot of hindsight to do so. The deal was absolutely fine at the time and is still fine now.

 

Most of us here understand totally why Moreland was signed. Although I absolutely agree with Jack on this one let's not get carried away. He said it very well but numerous people have expressed a similar opinion. I think that the people who sound adamantly opposed to the Moreland signing are in the minority. I'm glad you liked the Moreland signing. So do I.

[moonslav59]

Just because we went a long way towards solving our power outage issue with the JD signing, doesn't mean we had to let a golden opportunity to add power at the most power position in mlb, first basee, go by.

 

To say we signed Moreland to, "avoid getting into a position of desperation in the JDM negotiations (with the option of playing Moreland at first and Hanley at DH, we were able to wait him out as long as we needed to) makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

Had we not signed JD, we'd have needed more power from 1B than we do now with Moreland-HRam- not the same.

 

Yes, the Moose, Duda and Morrison signing for way less than expected makes the signing look worse in hindsiaght, but the signing was horrible at the time, too.

 

Edited March 16, 2018 by moonslav59

[jacksonianmarch]

Yes, the sox overpaid Moreland. At the time they signed him, I thought it was a reasonable contract as the expectation was still there that guys like Morrison were going to get multiple years at 8 figures annually. I think DD knew all along that he was going to sign JD. The Moreland signing had more to do with not letting Hanley’s option vest while also allowing for good defense at 1b at the very least.

[Bellhorn04]

Just because we went a long way towards solving our power outage issue with the JD signing, doesn't mean we had to let a golden opportunity to add power at the most power position in mlb, first basee, go by.

 

To say we signed Moreland to, "avoid getting into a position of desperation in the JDM negotiations (with the option of playing Moreland at first and Hanley at DH, we were able to wait him out as long as we needed to) makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

Had we not signed JD, we'd have needed more power from 1B than we do now with Moreland-HRam- not the same.

 

Yes, the Moose, Duda and Morrison signing for way less than expected makes the signing look worse in hindsiaght, but the signing was horrible at the time, too.

 

 

Thus Spake Zarathustra.

[mvp 78]

Yes, the sox overpaid Moreland. At the time they signed him, I thought it was a reasonable contract as the expectation was still there that guys like Morrison were going to get multiple years at 8 figures annually. I think DD knew all along that he was going to sign JD. The Moreland signing had more to do with not letting Hanley’s option vest while also allowing for good defense at 1b at the very least.

 

Lots of mental gymnastics going on around here.

[jacksonianmarch]

It’s called common sense. The sox signed Moreland anticipating a larger market for Morrison and Duda. If the sox waited, Moreland could have been had for $4 mil on a 1 yr deal

[mvp 78]

It was a smart deal when it was signed! It is a bad deal now and they shouldn't have done it!

 

Mental. Gymnastics.

[mvp 78]

I know that you relied on me as a Dr to tell you if the surgery was necessary. It was at the time. Now, we realize that you shouldn't have had the surgery and it's your fault for listening to me.