2017/18 Hot Stove Thread

[notin]

Ask yourself that ? A few years into the deal when the power numbers decline and your paying 30 million for a DH after giving up a front line player or Groome.

A Stanton deal has the 80’s and early 90’s Yankees feel to it. Spend spend spend and lose lose lose.

 

These young Sox players might benefit with a new Hitting Coach whose approach is said to be driving the ball out of the park..

Buy a free agent !

 

JD Martinez turns 31 in August. If he's the free agent, how is his future any brighter? He's two years older and wants 7 years.

 

And also, not as good...

[oldtimer]

Ask yourself that ? A few years into the deal when the power numbers decline and your paying 30 million for a DH after giving up a front line player or Groome.

A Stanton deal has the 80’s and early 90’s Yankees feel to it. Spend spend spend and lose lose lose.

 

These young Sox players might benefit with a new Hitting Coach whose approach is said to be driving the ball out of the park..

Buy a free agent !

 

The front office should consider the effect on our young high performance players of bringing in very highly paid FAs while finagling to keep their salaries low. That happened to Ortiz and others when Crawford was brought in. Maybe you pay the big money and the guy you bring in is not able to deal with the spotlight you get in Boston and he under-performs. Not everybody is cut out to thrive in this environment. We have seen Price bristle when criticized. We as fans also get on players ans sometimes unfairly, so if we think getting a guy in is just a game of adding his stats then we are missing part of what makes this game complex.

 

We have 1st or 3rd base to fill depending on Devers and 2nd base to fill for about 1/2 the season assuming Pedroia can make it back to anywhere near his past capability. We probably also need a relief pitcher and possibly a starter. Santana is a tough get but would be very suitable. Nunez if he has recovered would also be good, but also may be a tough get. Stanton is a generational talent who should be considered but caution should be used due to the financial commitment, the length of contract, the opt out possibilities and the loss of young players from our organization. I question the sanity of going in that direction.

[Slasher9]

, you might as well go the extra step and get Stanton.

 

yes. YES! Kimmi is on board with getting Giancarlo.

hear that DD?! now get it DONE!

[Slasher9]

Ask yourself that ? A few years into the deal when the power numbers decline and your paying 30 million for a DH after giving up a front line player or Groome.

A Stanton deal has the 80’s and early 90’s Yankees feel to it. Spend spend spend and lose lose lose.

 

These young Sox players might benefit with a new Hitting Coach whose approach is said to be driving the ball out of the park..

Buy a free agent !

 

Giancarlo just turned 28. like literally just turned 28. his best years are still AHEAD of him. there is zero comparison between his contract and pujols.

 

as for the young Sox players....hopefully they will benefit from new hitting coach. after all...we only need to get rid of one of them to bring in a guy that it doesnt matter who the f*** the hitting coach is.....

[notin]

If Stanton comes to Boston, he is opting out. He'd be here for three years and then try to get back to the west coast, possibly with an MVP under his belt and at the route old age of 30. The length of his contract isn't going to be a factor here. ...

[notin]

yes. YES! Kimmi is on board with getting Giancarlo.

hear that DD?! now get it DONE!

 

I like Stanton over most of the other options available, But apparently the Marlins want actual quality in return. The Sox might have to get creative to make anything happen here.

 

Hopefully they don't give up on Benintendi so quickly and instead move one of the shorter term guys like Bradley, Bogaerts, or Kimbrel.

[mvp 78]

If they trade Beni for Stanton, Stanton easily fits into LF.

 

If they trade JBJ for Stanton, does Beni get moved to CF? Beni to RF and Mookie to CF?

[mvp 78]

I'd prefer if they just handed Stanton a 1B mitt.

[oldtimer]

If Stanton comes to Boston, he is opting out. He'd be here for three years and then try to get back to the west coast, possibly with an MVP under his belt and at the route old age of 30. The length of his contract isn't going to be a factor here. ...

 

I'd be interested in how Ortiz feels about the signing of Stanton.

[moonslav59]

If they trade Beni for Stanton, Stanton easily fits into LF.

 

If they trade JBJ for Stanton, does Beni get moved to CF? Beni to RF and Mookie to CF?

 

Beni in CF.

 

Mookie stays in RF where he belongs.

[moonslav59]

I'd prefer if they just handed Stanton a 1B mitt.

 

I'd prefer DH and HRam at 1B.

 

Keep the OF intact.

 

Make GS waive his opt out clause as a condition of the trade by giving him some extra perks (or cash).

[mvp 78]

I'd be interested in how Ortiz feels about the signing of Stanton.

 

Giancarlo Stanton put on a show for the ages Monday night in San Diego, sending a record 61 baseballs over the fence at Petco Park to win the 2016 MLB Home Run Derby. The Miami Marlins outfielder bashed 24 homers in a quarterfinal rout of Robinson Cano, 17 in the semis to knock off Mark Trumbo (who more than held his own and was the only player to hit a ball off the left field video board) and another 20 in the finals to eliminate defending champ Todd Frazier. Stanton also had the eight longest home runs of the evening and 20 of the longest 21. It was an awe-inspiring performance to say the least, and even Boston Red Sox slugger David Ortiz, a former Derby champ himself, couldn’t believe what he was watching. “What you saw right there,” Ortiz said while being interview by ESPN’s broadcast team during the competition, “that ain’t human.” The retiring Red Sox star also coined a new nickname for Stanton: “the Human Avatar.”

[mvp 78]

I'd prefer DH and HRam at 1B.

 

Keep the OF intact.

 

Make GS waive his opt out clause as a condition of the trade by giving him some extra perks (or cash).

 

I think HanRam is gone sooner or later. It's about time Stanton learned to play 1B. It would only help him in FA when he opts out in a few years. I think he doesn't want the DH stink on him.

[Bellhorn04]

If they trade Beni for Stanton, Stanton easily fits into LF.

 

If they trade JBJ for Stanton, does Beni get moved to CF? Beni to RF and Mookie to CF?

 

Pretty doubtful the cash-strapped Marlins would want JBJ coming into his first arb year.

[moonslav59]

I think HanRam is gone sooner or later. It's about time Stanton learned to play 1B. It would only help him in FA when he opts out in a few years. I think he doesn't want the DH stink on him.

 

I'd teach him 1B, so he can play in NL parks, but I'd let HRam play 1B as much as he can next year.

[moonslav59]

Pretty doubtful the cash-strapped Marlins would want JBJ coming into his first arb year.

 

3-way trade, if it happens.

[Nick]

Pretty doubtful the cash-strapped Marlins would want JBJ coming into his first arb year.

 

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[Bellhorn04]

2 of 4

 

Right. And he made 3.6 million this year.

[Nick]

Right. And he made 3.6 million this year.

 

Might as look good going over the cliff.

Edited November 16, 2017 by Nick

[Kimmi]

The front office should consider the effect on our young high performance players of bringing in very highly paid FAs while finagling to keep their salaries low. That happened to Ortiz and others when Crawford was brought in. Maybe you pay the big money and the guy you bring in is not able to deal with the spotlight you get in Boston and he under-performs. Not everybody is cut out to thrive in this environment. We have seen Price bristle when criticized. We as fans also get on players ans sometimes unfairly, so if we think getting a guy in is just a game of adding his stats then we are missing part of what makes this game complex.

 

We have 1st or 3rd base to fill depending on Devers and 2nd base to fill for about 1/2 the season assuming Pedroia can make it back to anywhere near his past capability. We probably also need a relief pitcher and possibly a starter. Santana is a tough get but would be very suitable. Nunez if he has recovered would also be good, but also may be a tough get. Stanton is a generational talent who should be considered but caution should be used due to the financial commitment, the length of contract, the opt out possibilities and the loss of young players from our organization. I question the sanity of going in that direction.

 

Well said oldtimer. I am mostly on board with this post.

[Kimmi]

yes. Yes! Kimmi is on board with getting giancarlo.

Hear that dd?! Now get it done!

 

lol

[Larry Cook]

If Stanton and Martinez fall through, I think we need to look at either Ethier (if he is healthy) or Granderson as our 4th outfielder.

 

I am still not convinced Brentz can hit major league pitching. But I know those two guys can.

[a700hitter]

If Stanton and Martinez fall through, I think we need to look at either Ethier (if he is healthy) or Granderson as our 4th outfielder.

 

I am still not convinced Brentz can hit major league pitching. But I know those two guys can.

Ethier? He stinks. Granderson is on the wrong side of the hill. Brentz is probably just as good as either of them.

[Larry Cook]

Ethier? He stinks. Granderson is on the wrong side of the hill. Brentz is probably just as good as either of them.

 

Just curious how you felt a few years ago when Ben signed victorino?

[a700hitter]

Just curious how you felt a few years ago when Ben signed victorino?

Living in NY and watching lots of Mets games, I had seen a lot of Victorino. I knew that he was a premium fielder and an offensive spark plug. Mets fans hated him. He played shallow, but you couldn't beat him over his head. Initially, I thought he should have been our CFer as he was the best OFer on the roster, but he was better utilized in RF as Ellsbury had a weak arm. That being said, I thought Ben overpaid for Victorino. I am not sure how Victorino has anything to do with Ethier or Granderson. When we signed Victorino, he was 32 and was still 500-600 ABs each year. He broke down physically after 2013. Ethier will be 36 next year and he hasn't had more than 35 ABs in the last 2 seasons. He looks to be physically shot, and he was never in Victorino's class as a fielder. Granderson will be 37 years old in 2018.

[Spudboy]

Ditto what a700 said.

 

The idea is to enhance the roster in the off-season. Not just to play musical lockers with inconsequential players.

 

Either is a dud that has been paid way to much money. His only value with the Sox is that he is a training buddy of Pedroia. Woopie.

 

Granderson is a has been at best.

 

Brentz deserves a chance and his upside could be a very good story. There is no downside to having him "fail" in MLB. Just move onto the next guy. It's 4th OF, after all.

 

3/39 for Victorino was a gamble that paid short term and for me it was a good deal. He was huge in winning a world championship. So the Sox wasted 26 mil. Big deal compared to the money they have flushed down the shitter since then.

[Nick]

Ditto what a700 said.

 

The idea is to enhance the roster in the off-season. Not just to play musical lockers with inconsequential players.

 

Either is a dud that has been paid way to much money. His only value with the Sox is that he is a training buddy of Pedroia. Woopie.

 

Granderson is a has been at best.

 

Brentz deserves a chance and his upside could be a very good story. There is no downside to having him "fail" in MLB. Just move onto the next guy. It's 4th OF, after all.

 

3/39 for Victorino was a gamble that paid short term and for me it was a good deal. He was huge in winning a world championship. So the Sox wasted 26 mil. Big deal compared to the money they have flushed down the shitter since then.

 

Yep, why not give Brentz a shot? Can he do much worse than last year's Young? We need to look under every rock, especially those that doesn't cost us much. We have to quit pissing away $5M here and $10M there.

[SoxnCycles]

The front office should consider the effect on our young high performance players of bringing in very highly paid FAs while finagling to keep their salaries low.

 

We have some of those?

 

All kidding aside, maybe it tells them they simply were not good enough last year.

[moonslav59]

It's easy to pick up an OF'er mid season.

 

Go with Brentz to start the season.

 

BTW, I was against giving Vic 3 years, because I felt he was going to decline quickly.

 

He had a great 2013 season, despite missing some time. Without Vic, we probably don't win the ring that year. He was that good.

 

He did decline quickly after 2013, but the signing was worth it, IMO.

[cp176]

We have some of those?

 

All kidding aside, maybe it tells them they simply were not good enough last year.

 

It's a New England thing. Over rating our own guys. If we wait without adding, for our young guys to become stars that take us to the title, we might be waiting a long time. We have needs that have to be addressed.