Sale

[Station 13]

Sale's innings need to be managed as much as possible right now.

 

He has 1 start left, let's not act like it is a juggling act.

 

But We still have to win this division. If after that 1 start and we're unfortunate to play extra inning again I wouldn't be upset if Sale comes out the bullpen for a tune up.

[moonslav59]

24 ERs in 25 IP from 5 of his last 10 starts doesn't concern you at all?

 

Do we want the Sale of the first 20 starts variety?

 

Do we want the Sale from the last 10 starts variety?

 

I know that nothing is for certain. We could have rested him 1-2 days extra for his last 10 starts and still see him get lit up game 1 on October 5th, but with his long history of fading late, I'm going to go with giving him some added rest and figure it should help.

[mvp 78]

He has 1 start left, let's not act like it is a juggling act.

 

But We still have to win this division. If after that 1 start and we're unfortunate to play extra inning again I wouldn't be upset if Sale comes out the bullpen for a tune up.

 

Let's not act like he hasn't shown any issues with being tired down the stretch.

[moonslav59]

He has 1 start left, let's not act like it is a juggling act.

 

But We still have to win this division. If after that 1 start and we're unfortunate to play extra inning again I wouldn't be upset if Sale comes out the bullpen for a tune up.

 

He has two schedule, if you count game 162.

 

If we skip that start, we've essentially given him 4 extra days rest all at once-- something I'd think would have been better spread out- beginning with not pitching him last night. (actually, I suggested giving him an extra day or two his last starts, too, so he'd end up with just 1-2 extra days rest before Oct 5th's game 1..

[moonslav59]

Sale's innings need to be managed as much as possible right now.

 

Right now: last week.

[mvp 78]

Sure can't disagree with them old stats. Wait a minute - of course I can. I thought he looked pretty good last night. As a matter of fact I thought he looked dominant. I'm not saying that you run him into the ground but guess I am just not that concerned about Chris Sale. You just wanted to see Price get two or three innings didn't you? lol

 

Yes, Price should get more work in to make sure he's ok to go or not. Don't want to waste a PS roster spot on him.

 

Just because he looked good against an O's lineup yesterday, doesn't mean there are underlying issues. Why ignore the tough starts he's had recently?

[mvp 78]

Right now: last week.

 

Yup. Seems like there are a lot of Grady Little types on here. Just keep running them out there guys! It's definitely the right thing to do when the stats show otherwise!

[TylerD]

Yes, Price should get more work in to make sure he's ok to go or not. Don't want to waste a PS roster spot on him.

 

Just because he looked good against an O's lineup yesterday, doesn't mean there are underlying issues. Why ignore the tough starts he's had recently?

 

I completely agree. Sale was dominant last night there is no question about it but I too would have liked to See Price get a couple innings of work. So far he has played only two innings and he could be a useful weapon come playoffs but he needs a bit more work. Hopefully over the stretch of Cinci he gets some innings in and plays well.

[cp176]

24 ERs in 25 IP from 5 of his last 10 starts doesn't concern you at all?

 

Do we want the Sale of the first 20 starts variety?

 

Do we want the Sale from the last 10 starts variety?

 

I know that nothing is for certain. We could have rested him 1-2 days extra for his last 10 starts and still see him get lit up game 1 on October 5th, but with his long history of fading late, I'm going to go with giving him some added rest and figure it should help.

 

Was he you think more rested for last night's start? I don't. guess I'm just not convinced that any substantial extra rest is going to make that much difference with Sale. Looks awful too doesn't it - 24 ER's in 25 IP. and I was just starting to buy into all of this statistical bull tacos about how unimportant a stat a pitcher's era is. How many of those runners that he allowed to get on base were runners that scored as a result of someone else not doing their job? I'm not going to argue anymore about this one because in a perfect world I would love to see this guy get some extra rest. I just don't think that last night was the appropriate time. I did kind of think that he was done after 7, but as it turned out, I am more than pleased that he wasn't.

[cp176]

Yup. Seems like there are a lot of Grady Little types on here. Just keep running them out there guys! It's definitely the right thing to do when the stats show otherwise!

 

 

Grady Little - couldn't you have come up with somebody else? stats,stats,stats ...

[Bellhorn04]

How much does Sale pitching 1 more games instead of two hurt our odds?

 

90% to 88%?

 

He's been inconsistent of late, most likely due to fatigue, so we're not even sure we're going to get what we saw last night in both of his next 2 starts.

 

ER/IP last few starts (in reverse order)

 

0/8

4/5.2

0/6

3/4.1

0/7

6/3

4/7

1/7

0/8

7/5

 

5 of his last 10 starts have been "iffy" or worse. Is that what you guys want for the playoffs?

 

Really?

 

It's not even 'an issue?"

 

 

It may be an issue. The bigger issue at the moment is securing the division.

[mvp 78]

Grady Little - couldn't you have come up with somebody else? stats,stats,stats ...

 

You guys are the ones who want to keep overworking tired arms. Little seems like a fitting comparison to me.

[Bellhorn04]

Yup. Seems like there are a lot of Grady Little types on here. Just keep running them out there guys! It's definitely the right thing to do when the stats show otherwise!

 

Wanting to secure the division has nothing to do with Grady Little.

[mvp 78]

Wanting to secure the division has nothing to do with Grady Little.

 

How is it any different that wanting to win the ALCS? Sale needs to save his bullets for the postseason. If he goes out and shuts down everyone in October, I'll eat crow again. If not, I hope some of you don't come up with other excuses.

[Spudboy]

Fear the might of the Dojjarajah

 

Fear may be a strong word.

 

But you have my respect.

[Thunder]

I think it's good that we stretched out Sale last night to get to 300, because now there's no pressure to pitch him the rest of the season. I assume he'll make his next scheduled start on Tuesday, because I figure the division race won't be over by then, but then he's slated to pitch game #162. That one, we can give him a break, unless for some reason, we're tied with NYY. Even this next start on Tuesday, does it make sense to have a pitch count on him, like say 85-90, especially knowing our bullpen? That way, we can likely trust our bullpen, even in a close game, to take some of the load off Sale.

[Spudboy]

You have to get to the playoffs first if you have any intention of winning when you get there. The right decision was made last night with respect to Sale imo. I'm surprised that the issue was even brought up when looking at the slim lead that we have over the Yankees.

 

I'm with you on this.

 

Play to win NOW.

 

Not sure about leaving him in to pitch the 8th but hey, it was a special night for the guy so we should just lighten up on that.

[Nick]

I live in Indiana where back in 70's we had one class state tournament pretty much for all sports.

 

In Indiana, first step is to win Sectionals (usually 5-8 teams).

 

Then came Regionals, 4 Sectional winners play on a Saturday, semi final games at 10 am and 12, then 4 pm final. (not too many schools had lights back then). My baseball coach pitched our 2nd best pitcher for morning game. We got down 8-0 or something, came back but lost 9-8.

Our senior ace never saw the pitching mound. He was 'saved' for the championship game that never came.

 

Perhaps Sale won't have to make his last start and Sox can line up their starting rotation.

[cp176]

I'm with you on this.

 

Play to win NOW.

 

Not sure about leaving him in to pitch the 8th but hey, it was a special night for the guy so we should just lighten up on that.

 

You know me - I'm with you no matter what! I think that it was an issue for them last night whether to bring him back out in the 8th or not. I wasn't sure who really was doing the talking and who was doing the listening in the dugout. They communicated, he came back out did what he needed and wanted to do and its over.

I was taught this little saying early and I think that if there isn't a specific injury involved it still has merit.

"What I had, I gave because what I saved, I lost."

[illinoisredsox]

I'm with you on this.

 

Play to win NOW.

 

Not sure about leaving him in to pitch the 8th but hey, it was a special night for the guy so we should just lighten up on that.

 

A special night when he was throwing almost effortlessly. No stressful or long innings, most with a big lead. 4 runners all night.

 

Same number of pitches over 5-6 innings with lots of guys on base is a different story. 1-0 game is a different story.

[Bellhorn04]

How is it any different that wanting to win the ALCS? Sale needs to save his bullets for the postseason. If he goes out and shuts down everyone in October, I'll eat crow again. If not, I hope some of you don't come up with other excuses.

 

I'm not into the crow stuff. I'm just not taking this division for granted at all yet. The Yanks have 6 games left vs Toronto, 3 vs Rays, 1 vs KC. 7 are at home. They might win out. We have 4 left against Houston, and Houston is only one out in the loss column for best record in the AL.

[mvp 78]

I'm not into the crow stuff. I'm just not taking this division for granted at all yet. The Yanks have 6 games left vs Toronto, 3 vs Rays, 1 vs KC. 7 are at home. They might win out. We have 4 left against Houston, and Houston is only one out in the loss column for best record in the AL.

 

I'm not taking the division for granted either. However, the bullpen has been fantastic. Sale has been about 50/50 in his starts. It appears he needs rest. The bullpen could take over for him and get a win especially when they have a substantial lead.

[mvp 78]

If the bullpen was shaky, I could see a reason to keep going to Sale.

[TylerD]

I'm not into the crow stuff. I'm just not taking this division for granted at all yet. The Yanks have 6 games left vs Toronto, 3 vs Rays, 1 vs KC. 7 are at home. They might win out. We have 4 left against Houston, and Houston is only one out in the loss column for best record in the AL.

 

This.

 

If we were the Dodgers or Astros it's a completely different story with a massive lead in the division....... But with only a 3 game lead over the Yankees (and with how red hot they have been) we still need to put our best players out there to win us games and hopefully the division. We finish the season with the Astros which will be an incredibly tough series and they have been on a roll as well. Yankees could easily win out. I would love to give some rest to some of our best players but unfortunately the division is just too close to do that. The Yankees have no slowed down so we can't either. I wanted Sale to have some rest last night but hey..... a game like that might be just what he needs in terms of confidence. Hopefully the rest of our pitchers are up to the task and we can give Price some more innings before playoffs roll around.

[mvp 78]

Why will the Astros series be incredibly tough? Shouldn't they be resting most of their starters by then?

[Bellhorn04]

I'm not taking the division for granted either. However, the bullpen has been fantastic. Sale has been about 50/50 in his starts. It appears he needs rest. The bullpen could take over for him and get a win especially when they have a substantial lead.

 

Bullpen needed some rest too. We had played 8 straight days including a 15 inning game and 2 11 inning games.

[Carpin]

Why will the Astros series be incredibly tough? Shouldn't they be resting most of their starters by then?

 

Chances are they will be playing for the best record in AL

[Bellhorn04]

Why will the Astros series be incredibly tough? Shouldn't they be resting most of their starters by then?

 

No one said incredibly tough. But they are one of the best teams and they might be playing for something.

[cp176]

I'm not taking the division for granted either. However, the bullpen has been fantastic. Sale has been about 50/50 in his starts. It appears he needs rest. The bullpen could take over for him and get a win especially when they have a substantial lead.

 

Based on how lights out that bullpen has been, I think that you bring up a good point. I kept waiting and watching to see if he was done even after 6. Because he had to wait a little longer than he had between innings, I thought that he was done after 7.

You could see him in the dugout- didn't put his hat on right away and he didn't get right up and out early. I actually thought that he was done. Maddox was ready to go. I'm glad that it worked out. It was the first game this season that my wife actually stayed up to see through to its' end. When I mention the word sale to her, I don't think that it conjures up an image of Chris Sale!

[Bellhorn04]

In the intangibles department, I think not starting Sale last night would have sent a bad message to the team. Like 'No worries, boys, we've got this thing wrapped up, gonna start resting guys and setting things up for the ALDS...heh heh...'