Red Sox Trade Deadline 2017 Thread

[notin]

2nd Wild Card is really close now. It will affect Trade Market as far as AL teams Trading. Texas is only 3.5 behind, doubt they will want to Trade Beltre now. KC is 2nd Wild Card now, doubt they deal anyone.

 

The promotion of Devers could change the Sox timeline. They could try him for 5 weeks and then re-visit the third base market at the end of August when more teams are out of it. While it might be tough to get a Moustakas or Beltre through waivers, other names might be available. ...

[Nick]

I don't think that things are really all that bleak but I will say that I'm not sure I ever understood where the euphoria was coming from with this team's future hitting prospects. Betts - I still like but maybe he won't be quite as good going forward as last year made us think he would. Third base is what it is and maybe it is about to start to be straightened out. Moreland was never meant to replace Papi. Ramirez's career has been an up and down one. I like Benitendi but once again he is a lot smaller than the stats say he is. He will have a good career just not Fred Lynn like. JBJ is playing like he always has. I'm not sure where the power projection for Bogaerts ever come from. A lot of people hoping I guess. We have known for years really that we have two pretty good catchers who really aren't likely to hit much and Pedroia just keeps on going. If we move along this year it will be primarily due to our pitching which is not a bad thing at all. We still are on top in the east. I still think that DD has a plan. You can't solve every problem in a heartbeat.

 

You make really good points......old adage....things are never good or bad as they seem. I'm thrilled that we're in 1st place.

 

But last night's game, I had no interest in staying up and watching it. We looked over matched at the plate.

 

I think we're still drunk from April 2016 offense when everyone was on fire.

[Kimmi]

A 1B that can pick up the slack with Moreland slumping + Devers might be the spark this team needs

 

I am on board with this plan.

[Kimmi]

Good Pitching beats good hitting. I understand there needs to be a balance during the regular season. After 100 games your a playoff Team and a Division Leader despite all the B.S.

Pitching wins and if Henry is serious about a World Series this year you pay zero attention to the "so called" luxury tax..

 

Darvish in Tx would solidify a playoff spot and possibly the AL Pennant. Napoli can play the bag and is still a legit HR threat to spell Moreland and Hanley.. Both 18 free agents.

 

At what cost? Outside of Devers and Mata, anybody they want to include ERod before the knee gives out for good...

 

I just don't think the team is going to go over the luxury tax limit at the end of July, after working so hard up to this point to stay under it. I have read that the team can take on the prorated salary of $19 mil without going over the limit. That should be enough to pick up a decent upgrade.

[Kimmi]

Eric Van, a sabermetric guy who used to work for the Red Sox (posts on soxprospects.com) is against trading for a catcher. This is what he says:

 

I agree with Van's assessment of the catching situation. The catchers are not the problem, and indeed, they are likely part of the reason why our pitchers are pitching well.

[Kimmi]

Devers can have the #1 spot in OPS but it's not going to do much if the rest of the team still can't hit their way out of a wet paper bag.

My only concern with Devers is that fan expectations may be running a bit high.

Can't wait to see hin play, in any case.

 

Ding Ding Ding!

 

I am very excited to see him play, and I'm glad that the team called him up, panic move or not.

 

I hope he can ignite our offense. Sometimes a young player like this is all it takes. That said, we do need to temper our expectations of Devers, not necessarily with what he can do personally, but in terms of him 'saving' the rest of our offense.

[Kimmi]

My point is that Devers is not a Savior for this franchise this year. It's more imperative that Betts, Xander, Moreland, Hanley and Beni play at a higher level, offensively.

 

1 He is going to bat 7th, 8th or 9th

2 My expectation is not high. Just higher than that of Holt, Marrero and Lin's. I dislike Holt as a baseball player. Mediocre defender at best at every position. BFF with John Farrell is all see. I dislike him even more because Lin was sent down.

3 Don't fall in love with young talent on this team. They are all replaceable. Especially before I hand out $20M+ multiple year contracts.

4 Must have strong starting rotation.

5 Bullpen for most part should be built from within. Tons of failed starting arms in the organization available for bullpen duty.

 

Good post Nick.

 

You'll be happy to know that I am on your Devers bandwagon!!!

[SoxnCycles]

Ding Ding Ding!

 

I am very excited to see him play, and I'm glad that the team called him up, panic move or not.

 

I hope he can ignite our offense. Sometimes a young player like this is all it takes. That said, we do need to temper our expectations of Devers, not necessarily with what he can do personally, but in terms of him 'saving' the rest of our offense.

 

Exactly.

[oldtimer]

The promotion of Devers could change the Sox timeline. They could try him for 5 weeks and then re-visit the third base market at the end of August when more teams are out of it. While it might be tough to get a Moustakas or Beltre through waivers, other names might be available. ...

 

By then, we may be out of the race and turning into a seller. It's 6 days to go to the deadline, either because we don't have the finances or tradeable pieces or that anyone we may want is not available. Be interesting to hear DD's take on this if no action is taken.

[OH FOY]

If Texas Trades Darvish, then the Sox have to call up the Rangers, for Beltre. But first lets see Devers. By the way Devers hit .278 this year against Lefties. He's not just a Lefty Bat against Righties, play him against the Lefties too. Best way to evaluate him.

[Emp9]

I am on board with this plan.

 

Me too. Well, plus a MRP

[moonslav59]

Can we get Alonso without giving up Devers or Groome?

 

Would Travis, Lakins and Beeks be enough?

 

Is it too much for a rental?

[mvp 78]

Can we get Alonso without giving up Devers or Groome?

 

Would Travis, Lakins and Beeks be enough?

 

Is it too much for a rental?

 

I wouldn't trade Travis and another guy for a two month rental of Alonso. It makes no sense. Travis for Alonso, maybe.

 

I just don't understand the "there's a cliff coming, but trade our farm now for rentals." That's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

[moonslav59]

I wouldn't trade Travis and another guy for a two month rental of Alonso. It makes no sense. Travis for Alonso, maybe.

 

I just don't understand the "there's a cliff coming, but trade our farm now for rentals." That's a self-fulfilling prophesy.

 

I'd prefer trading for a longer term solution, but the cost would be way more.

 

I am a "cliff dweller", but we did what we did, and the only justification for trading a large chunk of our future away was to get a ring in this 3-4 year window. I like Travis, and he could be a cheap option for us at 1B for years to come, but I doubt he ever develops into a plus at 1B. 1B is a highly competitive position full of big power hitters.

[BstHcpr]

2nd Wild Card is really close now. It will affect Trade Market as far as AL teams Trading. Texas is only 3.5 behind, doubt they will want to Trade Beltre now. KC is 2nd Wild Card now, doubt they deal anyone.

 

KC just traded for a starter and two relievers. They are buyers.

[oldtimer]

How about Verlander for Price?

[mvp 78]

How about Verlander for Price?

 

Ok. Verlander has better playoff numbers. His FB velocity is higher. His walks are up this year, but he's been fairly unlucky with his BABIP.

[sk7326]

Looking forward to tonight of course ... the big things here.

 

1. The team needed some spark, and something fun. This qualifies. As I've noted before - yeah the 2007 Buchholz no-hitter was just one game, but the season can drag, and so something neat popping up in the middle is good.

2. Bogaerts did .250/.320/.364 in his 2013 tour. That seems like a reasonable ask for Devers - it's not great but it provided stability, and he looked like he belonged.

3. Essentially we are asking for Devers to be an improvement on nothing. He will do that I think. How much? See #2. That's still something considerable.

4. It is a testament to the ceiling of this team that somehow we are 55-46 with only one player having an extraordinary year. (Sale) Betts has had a quietly excellent season - but after last year it feels like a step back (which it is, if you are exceedingly greedy)

5. The team needs a bat - but where it is doesn't matter quite as much now. A right hander who can play 3B would be nice - David Freese is a good choice for a lower price point - especially since he does have some semi-famous big game experience.

6. The shame this season has been that there have been a lack of great seasons - just a bunch of okay ones. Benintendi has had a solid rookie season ... but he teased a lot more. (it is easy to forget that he is a rookie still) Bogaerts has had a decent season for him, but no LEAP! (he's still a good player) Betts has been one of the league's 5 or 6 best position players again - but not as good as 2016. Porcello went from one of the luckiest pitchers in the league to one of the most snakebitten.

[Emp9]

Looking forward to tonight of course ... the big things here.

 

1. The team needed some spark, and something fun. This qualifies. As I've noted before - yeah the 2007 Buchholz no-hitter was just one game, but the season can drag, and so something neat popping up in the middle is good.

2. Bogaerts did .250/.320/.364 in his 2013 tour. That seems like a reasonable ask for Devers - it's not great but it provided stability, and he looked like he belonged.

3. Essentially we are asking for Devers to be an improvement on nothing. He will do that I think. How much? See #2. That's still something considerable.

4. It is a testament to the ceiling of this team that somehow we are 55-46 with only one player having an extraordinary year. (Sale) Betts has had a quietly excellent season - but after last year it feels like a step back (which it is, if you are exceedingly greedy)

5. The team needs a bat - but where it is doesn't matter quite as much now. A right hander who can play 3B would be nice - David Freese is a good choice for a lower price point - especially since he does have some semi-famous big game experience.

6. The shame this season has been that there have been a lack of great seasons - just a bunch of okay ones. Benintendi has had a solid rookie season ... but he teased a lot more. (it is easy to forget that he is a rookie still) Bogaerts has had a decent season for him, but no LEAP! (he's still a good player) Betts has been one of the league's 5 or 6 best position players again - but not as good as 2016. Porcello went from one of the luckiest pitchers in the league to one of the most snakebitten.

 

Good assessment. We've only had two 3 game losing streaks. So this team at least knows how not to lose for too long. I think we win tonight.

[Kimmi]

Looking forward to tonight of course ... the big things here.

 

1. The team needed some spark, and something fun. This qualifies. As I've noted before - yeah the 2007 Buchholz no-hitter was just one game, but the season can drag, and so something neat popping up in the middle is good.

2. Bogaerts did .250/.320/.364 in his 2013 tour. That seems like a reasonable ask for Devers - it's not great but it provided stability, and he looked like he belonged.

3. Essentially we are asking for Devers to be an improvement on nothing. He will do that I think. How much? See #2. That's still something considerable.

4. It is a testament to the ceiling of this team that somehow we are 55-46 with only one player having an extraordinary year. (Sale) Betts has had a quietly excellent season - but after last year it feels like a step back (which it is, if you are exceedingly greedy)

5. The team needs a bat - but where it is doesn't matter quite as much now. A right hander who can play 3B would be nice - David Freese is a good choice for a lower price point - especially since he does have some semi-famous big game experience.

6. The shame this season has been that there have been a lack of great seasons - just a bunch of okay ones. Benintendi has had a solid rookie season ... but he teased a lot more. (it is easy to forget that he is a rookie still) Bogaerts has had a decent season for him, but no LEAP! (he's still a good player) Betts has been one of the league's 5 or 6 best position players again - but not as good as 2016. Porcello went from one of the luckiest pitchers in the league to one of the most snakebitten.

 

Very level headed post sk. Always a pleasure.

[Bellhorn04]

Looking forward to tonight of course ... the big things here.

 

1. The team needed some spark, and something fun. This qualifies. As I've noted before - yeah the 2007 Buchholz no-hitter was just one game, but the season can drag, and so something neat popping up in the middle is good.

2. Bogaerts did .250/.320/.364 in his 2013 tour. That seems like a reasonable ask for Devers - it's not great but it provided stability, and he looked like he belonged.

3. Essentially we are asking for Devers to be an improvement on nothing. He will do that I think. How much? See #2. That's still something considerable.

4. It is a testament to the ceiling of this team that somehow we are 55-46 with only one player having an extraordinary year. (Sale) Betts has had a quietly excellent season - but after last year it feels like a step back (which it is, if you are exceedingly greedy)

5. The team needs a bat - but where it is doesn't matter quite as much now. A right hander who can play 3B would be nice - David Freese is a good choice for a lower price point - especially since he does have some semi-famous big game experience.

6. The shame this season has been that there have been a lack of great seasons - just a bunch of okay ones. Benintendi has had a solid rookie season ... but he teased a lot more. (it is easy to forget that he is a rookie still) Bogaerts has had a decent season for him, but no LEAP! (he's still a good player) Betts has been one of the league's 5 or 6 best position players again - but not as good as 2016. Porcello went from one of the luckiest pitchers in the league to one of the most snakebitten.

 

Excellent post.

[Fan_since_Boggs]

(1) Promote Brentz. (It is amazing to think that the Red Sox are not hitting HRs and have a guy in AAA who is crushing LHP--one HR every 10 at-bat. How long will the organization continue to ignore Brentz's power surge?). Send down Marrero, or, better yet, demote Holt to AAA (he might have an option left).

(2) M.Chavis and J.Callahan to the Mets for L.Duda and A.Reed. I would be willing to add a third player to the deal.

(3) Place M.Moreland on DL

 

Against RHP

Betts RF

Benintendi LF

Pedroia 2b

Duda 1b

Ramirez DH

Bradley CF

Bogaerts SS

Devers 3b

Vazquez C

 

Against LHP

Betts RF

Young DH

Pedroia 2b

Ramirez 1b

Bradley CF

Brentz LF

Bogaerts SS

Devers 3b

Vazquez C

Edited July 25, 2017 by Fan_since_Boggs

[BstHcpr]

Brentz is 28 in AAA. I'm not buying his numbers. And Chavis is worth way more than two months of Duda.

[mvp 78]

Brentz should at least get a look considering Young's struggles this year.

[MADSTORK]

How about Verlander for Price?

 

I second the motion!

[BstHcpr]

How about Verlander for Price?

 

Tigers are trying to cut payroll.

[bowman]

I'd rather give Brentz a look see than trade for a rental. If DD makes a move, it has to be for the future. We need a veteran power guy that we can control for a couple years.

[bowman]

Verlander, Miggy, for Price, Swihart, Johnson, and etc. Then send ERod, Chavis, Groome for Darvish.

[Bellhorn04]

Verlander, Miggy, for Price, Swihart, Johnson, and etc. Then send ERod, Chavis, Groome for Darvish.

 

LOL good one.

[oldtimer]

I'd rather give Brentz a look see than trade for a rental. If DD makes a move, it has to be for the future. We need a veteran power guy that we can control for a couple years.

 

I wonder what constraints have been placed on DD in regards to trades and finances. It seems strange to me that he has taken no action to date when circumstances have clearly called for action. We as fans may not understand the limitations place on DD so it may be unfair to criticize him. I'm not claiming or inferring that you did, but that thought came to mind as a means to understand why nothing has happened.