Should Jackie Bradley Jr be traded?

[moonslav59]

I think it's clear to me that they are going to trade Swihart before the AS Break if not sooner.

 

It looks like he'll never catch even an inning.

 

It makes sense to trade him, but even if we do, we'll have enough players to play OF:

 

JMart DH to LF/RF

Nunez will be looking for time once Pedey returns.

Holt

Moreland in a pinch

Lin in a pinch

 

Castillo is in no man's land. We should trade him and pay half his salary or more. However, I'm not sure if he makes the team's ML roster, if whatever we end up paying of his salary, counts against the luxury tax.

[mvp 78]

It looks like he'll never catch even an inning.

 

It makes sense to trade him, but even if we do, we'll have enough players to play OF:

 

JMart DH to LF/RF

Nunez will be looking for time once Pedey returns.

Holt

Moreland in a pinch

Lin in a pinch

 

Castillo is in no man's land. We should trade him and pay half his salary or more. However, I'm not sure if he makes the team's ML roster, if whatever we end up paying of his salary, counts against the luxury tax.

 

If we trade Castillo, can we cover part of his salary and not have it go towards the luxury tax?

[moonslav59]

If we trade Castillo, can we cover part of his salary and not have it go towards the luxury tax?

 

That's what I was asking. I'm not sure.

 

I would think that as long as we were not the team to call him up, it shouldn't count against us, but who know?

 

[jad]

That's what I was asking. I'm not sure.

 

I would think that as long as we were not the team to call him up, it shouldn't count against us, but who know?

 

 

I believe it does. Otherwise, he would have been gone long ago. If you could do such a trade, the millions counted against the salary cap would essentially disappear.

[moonslav59]

I believe it does. Otherwise, he would have been gone long ago. If you could do such a trade, the millions counted against the salary cap would essentially disappear.

 

As of now, none count against the luxury tax, since he is not on our 40 man roster.

 

The question is about what if we trade him, pay part of his deal and then the next team adds him to their 40 man roster. Would whatever we pay then count against us?

[Bellhorn04]

As of now, none count against the luxury tax, since he is not on our 40 man roster.

 

The question is about what if we trade him, pay part of his deal and then the next team adds him to their 40 man roster. Would whatever we pay then count against us?

 

I'm about 99.9% sure the answer is yes.

[mvp 78]

As of now, none count against the luxury tax, since he is not on our 40 man roster.

 

The question is about what if we trade him, pay part of his deal and then the next team adds him to their 40 man roster. Would whatever we pay then count against us?

 

I put it in the wrong thread...

 

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2018/03/10/contract-keeps-rusney-castillo-minor-league-limbo/efIg6waR2S6RsxB4rKF3LK/story.html

 

But trading Castillo would almost certainly require the Red Sox paying off a significant amount of his remaining contract. That money would then count against their luxury tax payroll.

[moonslav59]

Then he's stuck in purgatory.

[mvp 78]

Hope he likes Federal Hill.

[Spudboy]

Hope he likes Federal Hill.

 

Yup. Some good food there.

 

Of course there is Kipps Diner in Pawtucket for NY System Hot Wieners and Cabinets!

[jad]

As of now, none count against the luxury tax, since he is not on our 40 man roster.

 

The question is about what if we trade him, pay part of his deal and then the next team adds him to their 40 man roster. Would whatever we pay then count against us?

 

Exactly. That's what I just said. Probably wasn't clear. If he's in the minors, it doesn't count. But if he's traded and brought up, then all that money counts against the cap: whatever the other team pays him counts against them, and whatever part of his contract the RS pay to make the deal (say, agreeing to eat 50% of his salary) counts against the RS. That's why theRS won't trade him. At least, I think that's how it works.

[Bellhorn04]

Exactly. That's what I just said. Probably wasn't clear. If he's in the minors, it doesn't count. But if he's traded and brought up, then all that money counts against the cap: whatever the other team pays him counts against them, and whatever part of his contract the RS pay to make the deal (say, agreeing to eat 50% of his salary) counts against the RS. That's why theRS won't trade him. At least, I think that's how it works.

 

They can't bring him up, they can't trade him, they can't do anything but pay him 12 million or so to entertain the fans in Pawtucket.

[mvp 78]

Yup. Some good food there.

 

Of course there is Kipps Diner in Pawtucket for NY System Hot Wieners and Cabinets!

 

Heard he likes party pizza and coffee milk!

[notin]

I think it's clear to me that they are going to trade Swihart before the AS Break if not sooner.

 

He's 26, has no real position he can defend well, and is sporting an OPS+ of 5. Trade bait? He'll be lucky if he isn't flat out DFA'd.

[notin]

They can't bring him up, they can't trade him, they can't do anything but pay him 12 million or so to entertain the fans in Pawtucket.

 

They could bring him up, pay the luxury tax, and maybe see if he can play well enough at the right level that he could be viable trade bait, possibly even a piece you don't pay other teams to take off your hands. ..

[Sox75]

1 of the 2 guys tonight unable to get a hit.

 

.195 .600

 

Besides Vaz, JBJ is especially sucking arss.

 

:'( love the kid, but he just doesn't seem to learn. Why nobody can get him to shorten up his swing when down in the count? idk?

[jad]

They could bring him up, pay the luxury tax, and maybe see if he can play well enough at the right level that he could be viable trade bait, possibly even a piece you don't pay other teams to take off your hands. ..

 

I believe if they bring him up AT ALL, they are responsible for the entire luxury tax,whether he stays up or not, no? i.e., they can't just bring him up on, say, a ten-day contract?

[Bellhorn04]

I believe if they bring him up AT ALL, they are responsible for the entire luxury tax,whether he stays up or not, no? i.e., they can't just bring him up on, say, a ten-day contract?

 

Correct. If they bring him up at all the cat is truly out of the bag and can't be put back in. Castillo would be on the Sox payroll for tax purposes until his contract expires at the end of 2020.

[moonslav59]

Yes, and that's why he should and will not be brought up unless at least two requirements are met:

 

1) We need an OF'er. Right now we have 4, if you count JD plus 4-5 non OF'ers with OF experience: Nunez (will be looking for PAs soon), Holt (was off to a nice start), Swihart & Lin/Moreland. I seriously doubt we'll ever have a need this year.

 

2) He looks nearly certain to be a plus at the ML level. We can always just trade for a cheaper salary dump or some other OF'er who can hit .600 and play great D like JBJ.

 

It's just not happening. Castillo is stuck in purgatory, unless he wants to sacrifice his contract by quitting and then joining another team to get a shot at making the bigs.

Edited May 1, 2018 by moonslav59

[mvp 78]

He's 26, has no real position he can defend well, and is sporting an OPS+ of 5. Trade bait? He'll be lucky if he isn't flat out DFA'd.

 

You can trade his talent for a minor league player at least. No reason to just dump him. He has value.

[moonslav59]

You can trade his talent for a minor league player at least. No reason to just dump him. He has value.

 

His "value" does not exceed his contract cost.

 

Nobody will take him without salary relief, and that relief counts against the luxury tax and put us over the $40M penalty phase.

 

He's not going anywhere.

 

Also, he obviously prefers the money over any chance at making a MLB career for himself.

[harmony]

His "value" does not exceed his contract cost.

 

Nobody will take him without salary relief, and that relief counts against the luxury tax and put us over the $40M penalty phase.

 

He's not going anywhere.

 

Also, he obviously prefers the money over any chance at making a MLB career for himself.

I believe mvp 78's reference was to 26-year-old Blake Swihart.

 

Who has limited trade value.

[notin]

I believe if they bring him up AT ALL, they are responsible for the entire luxury tax,whether he stays up or not, no? i.e., they can't just bring him up on, say, a ten-day contract?

 

Yes they are.

 

But if he plays well, he is moveable. And if he plays well in MLB, it is possible (although not likely) the entire contract becomes moveable

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

For the first time ever I have been able to watch every Sox game. ML center fielders are great, most every team has a good one. I see Jackie Bradley make maybe a play a week that average CFs don't make. And that may be generous. Seems to me his at bats take that one play away quickly, then they are left with a CF who offers very little offensive production that just doesn't seem to be made up with his defense.

[mvp 78]

I believe mvp 78's reference was to 26-year-old Blake Swihart.

 

Who has limited trade value.

 

Ah yup.

[moonslav59]

For the first time ever I have been able to watch every Sox game. ML center fielders are great' date=' most every team has a good one. I see Jackie Bradley make maybe a play a week that average CFs don't make. And that may be generous. Seems to me his at bats take that one play away quickly, then they are left with a CF who offers very little offensive production that just doesn't seem to be made up with his defense.[/quote']

 

With so many great defensive CF'er, we need JBJ just to stay even with most teams and maybe gain a play or two a week on others.

 

If you add a hit or two a week to JBJ's numbers, he'd be over .700.

[Slasher9]

Like I said that whole set up with Eck culminating with an online verbal dry gulch because the guy criticized him as a hitter (rightfully so) and was just doing his job. The guy is a great defender but a black hole in the lineup especially in clutch situations. I don't like him. We can agree to disagree. It happens.

 

his clutch offensive stats are basically the same as his non clutch stats. his results are basically the same to say "especially in clutch situations" is ********.

[jacksonianmarch]

You need OF defense this year more than ever. Your infield defense is ugly. Having a rover in CF who makes every play and even the ones 90% of big league OFers don’t make is great.

 

In terms of JBJ’s future utility, the time to deal him is this off season. He’s now 28 yrs old and his best asset is his defense. Hence, his speed and quickness out there adds to his insane instincts. Once he starts to lose a step (see football for when guys lose their speed), his defense will drop a bit and his one off the charts asset won’t be enough to offset his middling offensive potential. It isn’t like JBJ is a burner who could afford to lose a step. Once he loses a step, he’ll be an average CFer or be moved to RF. I think while his highlight reel is filling up in 2018, you hope he hits enough to be relevant and you move him for Pom’s replacement by 2019

[Yaz Fan Since 67]

With so many great defensive CF'er, we need JBJ just to stay even with most teams and maybe gain a play or two a week on others.

 

If you add a hit or two a week to JBJ's numbers, he'd be over .700.

 

An extra hit a week would make him 22 for 87 or .252. And as I said I don't see him making a play a week that the other ML center fielders aren't making.

[StephenCurry30]

rusney castilo is worth a look, if these dumb ass rich owners can pay pablos fat ass, they can pay him and see what he has, what they're doing to him is beyond dumb