Farrell

[OH FOY]

Well Tory Lovullo lost to Dodgers 3-0.

[cp176]

Well Tory Lovullo lost to Dodgers 3-0.

 

He get any hits or was he pitching? lol

[mvp 78]

I don't think Farrell cost us this series, or any game in this series, but his managing can never be termed as brilliant. Heck, our best hitter on the series was slated for the bench if Nunez didn't hurt his knee.

 

He's a perfectly mediocre manager. Let's do better!

 

How about someone who doesn't wind up in last damn place two straight years and follow it up with two September swoons and first round playoff trouncings!

[mvp 78]

I was the guy who suggested dumping Hanley.

 

Moon is butt hurt about that since Hanley is so valuable.

 

My plan adds Stanton and keeps Moreland ( or not if a decent replacement can be found ).

 

Trade JBJ and ERod with two or three pieces for Stanton.

 

Maybe I should post a wall of text with very stat known to man to justify my idea?

 

Why trade useful players when you can sign JD Martinez this offseason?

[Elktonnick]

If the Sox do sign JD Martinez then that allows them a heck of a lot of flexibility to move some of the under performing core players like JBJ who despite his stellar defense is an offensive drag. I think one of the reason the Sox have been reluctant to deal JBJ is they have always thought he is going to figure it out at the plate. I don't see it happening. Edited October 10, 2017 by Elktonnick

[moonslav59]

Thank goodness he is not a manager, and I think he was talking about an off season move to upgrade the roster. That would not be totally unreasonable.

 

DFA'ing HRam before seeing if he's healthy next spring is absolutely unreasonable.

 

Trading him and paying a significant portion of his contract has merit.

 

(And, I'm no HRam fan.)

[jacksonianmarch]

He get any hits or was he pitching? lol

 

The Dbacks were 69-93 last year with similar personnel (they did pick up JD Martinez in July). This year, they had the same record as the sox.

[moonslav59]

I was the guy who suggested dumping Hanley.

 

Moon is butt hurt about that since Hanley is so valuable.

 

My plan adds Stanton and keeps Moreland ( or not if a decent replacement can be found ).

 

Trade JBJ and ERod with two or three pieces for Stanton.

 

Maybe I should post a wall of text with very stat known to man to justify my idea?

 

I hated the HRam signing from second one.

 

I suggested we trade him after a big year in 2016.

 

I have little confidence he can hit like 2016 or better again.

 

Please stop confusing my position for letting HRam show what he has next spring with some sort of perverted "butt hurt" love for the guy.

 

He's not Pablo, and just because bring Pablo back failed miserably, it doesn't mean HRam will, too.

 

There's a significant chance HRam sucks next year, but there's also a significant chance he can hit over .825 or even .850.

 

[OH FOY]

We can look at it this way too, if Girardi challenged a play that was obvious, that series would be over. I don't think Kluber has 2 bad games back to back.

He might have killed the Yanks season. Even if it wasn't obvious with the eye, he should have challenged it....Nothing to lose.

If this was Farrell, Fans would be at Fenway with Pitchforks. haha

Edited October 10, 2017 by OH FOY!

[SoxnCycles]

Henry tends to panic about such things, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's canned. Not directly because of anything he did in this game, but because the team did not advance to the next round.

 

Hey!

The sox improved this year!

They actually won an ALDS game!

[TylerD]

He's a perfectly mediocre manager. Let's do better!

 

How about someone who doesn't wind up in last damn place two straight years and follow it up with two September swoons and first round playoff trouncings!

 

The first 2 games were horrible beat downs and we didn't even look like we belonged in those games. The last 2 we played some good baseball and should have won game 4. Kimbrel can be shaky but I never thought in my dreams he would screw up getting 4 outs. Sale was dynamite but gave up that solo blast and then Kimbrel just s*** it all away. I honestly think this was a very winnable series. JF might not be the best manager in MLB but he did get us a World Series and I think with another big bat on this team we can do it again under JF. I am right on the fence. If he stayed I wouldn't be as upset as some on the board, and at the same time if he leaves I wouldn't shed a tear.

[illinoisredsox]

The first 2 games were horrible beat downs and we didn't even look like we belonged in those games. The last 2 we played some good baseball and should have won game 4. Kimbrel can be shaky but I never thought in my dreams he would screw up getting 4 outs. Sale was dynamite but gave up that solo blast and then Kimbrel just s*** it all away. I honestly think this was a very winnable series. JF might not be the best manager in MLB but he did get us a World Series and I think with another big bat on this team we can do it again under JF. I am right on the fence. If he stayed I wouldn't be as upset as some on the board, and at the same time if he leaves I wouldn't shed a tear.

 

I think that sums up the feelings of many of us here, especially the ones who don't think they know more than the people paid to manage, be a GM, own a team.

[sk7326]

Farrell managed a terrific Game 3. The Red Sox were terrible in Games 1 and 2, although it was basically all about pitchers giving up homeruns - and not much Farrell could do there. Farrell basically had to get himself run yesterday - whatchagonnado.

 

The Sox got greedy with Sale I think - it made sense to go to Kimbrel for 6 outs - or just to the set up guys in a bullpen which has been good all year.

 

I can see both sides of keeping/not keeping Farrell. I can roll with Dombrowski's decision either way here ... although it is certainly possible to pick somebody worse.

[Slasher9]

Fire Farrell.

[moonslav59]

Fire Farrell.

 

+101

[Spudboy]

Why trade useful players when you can sign JD Martinez this offseason?

 

You can answer this vital question by looking their stats.

 

I am not against getting JD Martinez. I just see Stanton providing more of what this team needs for more years.

[sk7326]

You can answer this vital question by looking their stats.

 

I am not against getting JD Martinez. I just see Stanton providing more of what this team needs for more years.

 

He has not been great at providing games played.

[Spudboy]

I hated the HRam signing from second one.

 

I suggested we trade him after a big year in 2016.

 

I have little confidence he can hit like 2016 or better again.

 

Please stop confusing my position for letting HRam show what he has next spring with some sort of perverted "butt hurt" love for the guy.

 

He's not Pablo, and just because bring Pablo back failed miserably, it doesn't mean HRam will, too.

 

There's a significant chance HRam sucks next year, but there's also a significant chance he can hit over .825 or even .850.

 

 

I don't agree. If he has those two wounded shoulders I don't see him rebounding to his career norms or being a good value.

 

And as far as my lame-ass idea of trading or getting rid of one of our best HR hitters is concerned, have you compared his 2017 offensive numbers with the guy you are so quick to release, Mitch Moreland?

 

Moreland had only one HR less than Hanley yet had superior numbers in every offensive category except SB where Hanley had a whopping 1.

 

Hanley cost $22. mil., Moreland $5.5 mil.

 

Your idea that I want to get rid of a valuable HR guy is plain stupid when compared to your insistence of getting rid of Moreland.

 

Logic fail.

[Bellhorn04]

He's a perfectly mediocre manager. Let's do better!

 

How about someone who doesn't wind up in last damn place two straight years and follow it up with two September swoons and first round playoff trouncings!

 

Re: September swoons

 

Just for the sake of keeping facts straight, we were 17-11 in September/October 16, and 19-10 in September/October 17 (regular season only).

[Bellhorn04]

I don't agree. If he has those two wounded shoulders I don't see him rebounding to his career norms or being a good value.

 

And as far as my lame-ass idea of trading or getting rid of one of our best HR hitters is concerned, have you compared his 2017 offensive numbers with the guy you are so quick to release, Mitch Moreland?

 

Moreland had only one HR less than Hanley yet had superior numbers in every offensive category except SB where Hanley had a whopping 1.

 

Hanley cost $22. mil., Moreland $5.5 mil.

 

Your idea that I want to get rid of a valuable HR guy is plain stupid when compared to your insistence of getting rid of Moreland.

 

Logic fail.

 

I don't disagree that Moreland is likely to be at least as good as Hanley in 2018.

 

The only thing is, Hanley is already paid for 2018. And Moreland had a good enough year that he might be able to get a deal for $9-10 million a year now.

[Spudboy]

I don't disagree that Moreland is likely to be at least as good as Hanley in 2018.

 

The only thing is, Hanley is already paid for 2018. And Moreland had a good enough year that he might be able to get a deal for $9-10 million a year now.

 

Yup.

 

Still, I would not be surprised if the Sox resign the guy.

[oldtimer]

Yup.

 

Still, I would not be surprised if the Sox resign the guy.

 

I agree, the sox need to try to improve and he occupies one of the few spots where we can do that.

[a700hitter]

He's a perfectly mediocre manager. Let's do better!

 

How about someone who doesn't wind up in last damn place two straight years and follow it up with two September swoons and first round playoff trouncings!

Based on everything on Talk Radio and in the Press, it seems unlikely that Farrell will be back. That's okay imo as I think that managers are fungible and extremely overpaid. The shelf life shouldn't be longer than 5 years.

[sk7326]

The reservation one might have is the last manager Dombrowski hired was unusually terrible (Ausmus in Detroit) ... I largely agree with the fungibility of managers - but that doesn't mean there is NO difference ... and a downgrade from Farrell is certainly possible. He handled a pitching staff very well in a season where it was fairly challenging.

[Spudboy]

Who here really believes that a meaningful upgrade from Farrell can happen?

 

As in Joe XYZ gets hired and the team becomes much better on the field.

 

I get why some don't care for Farrell and that Managers are "fungible".

 

I just don't see a change makings such a difference to be worthwhile.

 

Now if he had a river of powder going up his nose like Klel that would be another matter.

[sk7326]

Who here really believes that a meaningful upgrade from Farrell can happen?

 

As in Joe XYZ gets hired and the team becomes much better on the field.

 

I get why some don't care for Farrell and that Managers are "fungible".

 

I just don't see a change makings such a difference to be worthwhile.

 

Now if he had a river of powder going up his nose like Klel that would be another matter.

 

I think the areas where a manager can directly impact winning and losing are small (for instance: the missed challenge in Game 2 of the Yankees-Guardians series ... though it is possible Girardi was covering for his replay guy ... managing pitching staffs more generally). But that does not mean there aren't a lot of areas where they can indirectly impact winning - the way a good boss at work can help employees be better versions of themselves.

 

There is benefit to a new voice sometimes.

[cp176]

Who here really believes that a meaningful upgrade from Farrell can happen?

 

As in Joe XYZ gets hired and the team becomes much better on the field.

 

I get why some don't care for Farrell and that Managers are "fungible".

 

I just don't see a change makings such a difference to be worthwhile.

 

Now if he had a river of powder going up his nose like Klel that would be another matter.

 

This team won 93 games. After following them very closely, i'm still not sure I know how they did it. I feel much like everybody (except for Max) feels about Farrell for the most part but what troubles me a little is that if he is as bad as it seems some people think he is I don't see this team winning one more game - either with or without him. As presently constructed, we aren't that good. Somehow 93 wins were milked out of these guys. If he keeps order in the asylum, and they play hard, what the hell. 93 wins!!! Does anyone really think that a different manager could have made this bunch as good as Houston or a couple of others? Not me. I think he comes back. A slow start next year might cost him his job though.

[Kimmi]

Well Tory Lovullo lost to Dodgers 3-0.

 

!!!

[Kimmi]

Hey!

The sox improved this year!

They actually won an ALDS game!

 

LOL You don't have to tell me that. I'm not the one panicking!

[Kimmi]

The first 2 games were horrible beat downs and we didn't even look like we belonged in those games. The last 2 we played some good baseball and should have won game 4. Kimbrel can be shaky but I never thought in my dreams he would screw up getting 4 outs. Sale was dynamite but gave up that solo blast and then Kimbrel just s*** it all away. I honestly think this was a very winnable series. JF might not be the best manager in MLB but he did get us a World Series and I think with another big bat on this team we can do it again under JF. I am right on the fence. If he stayed I wouldn't be as upset as some on the board, and at the same time if he leaves I wouldn't shed a tear.

 

I feel the same way about Farrell. I won't be upset one way or the other. Of course, they could bring in someone worse, in which I would then be upset. LOL