Farrell

[jad]

Farrell is "a player's" manager which to me means a weak manager. I also get all the Eck love. I love the guy too and I don't like Price. I still think that in his warped way he feels as though he was defending his teammate and if anybody cheered him on, it is likely that they felt the same way. If your job is to report objectively what you see in an athletic contest and somebody sucks and that is what you kind of say, what the f*** do people think is likely to happen when that reporter hops right on the team plane? This is a ******** story that should have been handled differently.

 

Well, in most of our workplaces, we have occasion, while doing our jobs, to criticize someone. Teachers, for example, routinely give out bad grades. Supervisors give bad evaluations. We should not feel that if we do this, we will return to the office or the classroom and a bunch of a-holes will stand up and hurl f-bombs at us. These guys are acting like overgrown middle-school kids or dumb-ass frat-boys. And what is worse, NO ONE on the team is (or at least in this case 'was') willing to stand up like an adult and tell them to chill.

[SoxHop]

Well, in most of our workplaces, we have occasion, while doing our jobs, to criticize someone. Teachers, for example, routinely give out bad grades. Supervisors give bad evaluations. We should not feel that if we do this, we will return to the office or the classroom and a bunch of a-holes will stand up and hurl f-bombs at us. These guys are acting like overgrown middle-school kids or dumb-ass frat-boys. And what is worse, NO ONE on the team is (or at least in this case 'was') willing to stand up like an adult and tell them to chill.

 

Well said........

 

I'm not sure who said it, but they said that when Eck is calling you out on something, it's time to look in the mirror......

[OH FOY]

Been watching sports a long time. I've noticed the best Managers, Coaches, Leaders, are the one's that talk very little. Farrell does not do this.

Watch a Bill Belichick interview.

Edited July 27, 2017 by OH FOY!

[cp176]

Well, in most of our workplaces, we have occasion, while doing our jobs, to criticize someone. Teachers, for example, routinely give out bad grades. Supervisors give bad evaluations. We should not feel that if we do this, we will return to the office or the classroom and a bunch of a-holes will stand up and hurl f-bombs at us. These guys are acting like overgrown middle-school kids or dumb-ass frat-boys. And what is worse, NO ONE on the team is (or at least in this case 'was') willing to stand up like an adult and tell them to chill.

 

??? - I get that I need to be very careful here because people will see this as me defending Price which isn't what I am doing. Also, I don't care what Eck says - he entertains me. Your post makes it sound as though he serves in some type of supervisory role for the Red Sox. Unless I am missing something, he doesn't. Whatever he says, he owns and in his particular job I'm pretty sure he understands what comes along with that. This idiotic situation should have been dealt with by the people in charge. Do you or does anyone here really know what was said? Do you or anyone really know who these guys are? How many laughed? Is it maybe just a little possible that this story was written to get people interested in reading it? The boss did need to step in here but whoever we think he is, he didn't. I know nothing about this situation other than what Shaughnessy wrote. You and others here obviously know more than I do. My guess is that there are lot of pretty good guys on that plane who are getting a bad rap for a story that has been blown out of proportion. Once again, although I think that Eck deserves a lot of respect but he is not the boss. Now I don't think that he said anything that should get him called out by anyone but when you do the job he does sometimes it is going to happen if he reports honestly. Do you or anyone else here think that if something like this happens at the Patriot's training camp, we will ever hear about it? I bet not!

[cp176]

Been watching sports a long time. I've noticed the best Managers, Coaches, Leaders, are the one's that talk very little. Farrell does not do this.

Watch a Bill Belichick interview.

 

 

I agree - Farrell talks too much and quite often says very little.

[SoxnCycles]

Well said........

 

I'm not sure who said it, but they said that when Eck is calling you out on something, it's time to look in the mirror......

 

I think it was Lou Merloni.

[mvp 78]

I agree - Farrell talks too much and quite often says very little.

 

This is the truth.

[Bellhorn04]

Terry Francona usually said a bunch of nothing to the press too, so I don't see that as a real issue.

 

Jimy Williams really had it down. The media would ask Jimy all these penetrating questions about plans and strategies to which Jimy would usually respond: 'We'll go play.'

[Kimmi]

Well said........

 

I'm not sure who said it, but they said that when Eck is calling you out on something, it's time to look in the mirror......

 

The real kicker is, what has Eck said that has even been that bad?

[Dojji]

I can't remember being so angry at a player before. i hope Price goes away.

 

I'm also angry at the group of cheerleaders he had with him, and since I don't know who that is, I'm kind of just angry with the entire team.

 

And yea, management or the FO should have done something.

 

I'm kind of sickened by it all....

 

You trust the media entirely too much. They're laying the spin on about as thick as they can to protect their own. Don't fall for the smokescreen. Eckersley threw the first punch in that little spat. If price was on an island I'd feel differently, but a lot of players who should know better if the media reports were on the level were backing Price, I think that counts for something.

[Dojji]

The real kicker is, what has Eck said that has even been that bad?

 

Probably something that doesn't seem that bad to us, but for the guys on the front lines, it crossed a line.

 

Thing is as a former player Eckersley should know where those lines are, and if he crossed them, he did it knowing he was taking his chances.

[mvp 78]

You trust the media entirely too much. They're laying the spin on about as thick as they can to protect their own. Don't fall for the smokescreen. Eckersley threw the first punch in that little spat. If price was on an island I'd feel differently, but a lot of players who should know better if the media reports were on the level were backing Price, I think that counts for something.

 

Threw the first punch? What are you talking about?

 

All he said was "yuck" to a nightmare performance by ERod in AAA.

[SoxnCycles]

You trust the media entirely too much. They're laying the spin on about as thick as they can to protect their own. Don't fall for the smokescreen. Eckersley threw the first punch in that little spat. If price was on an island I'd feel differently, but a lot of players who should know better if the media reports were on the level were backing Price, I think that counts for something.

 

Assuming that atheletes, who've had their asses kissed since they were in Little League, should "know better" is a huge assumption.

[SoxnCycles]

Probably something that doesn't seem that bad to us, but for the guys on the front lines, it crossed a line.

 

Thing is as a former player Eckersley should know where those lines are, and if he crossed them, he did it knowing he was taking his chances.

 

So, you WANT your color analyst to just throw roses at the team and not tell what actually happening?

E-rod's minor league start was lousy. I think "Yuck" conveys the truth of that quite nicely.

 

I don't think Price actually gives a rats ass about what Eckersley said, I think he saw a chance to bully someone and display his warped sense of leadership.

 

If it weren't Eck's comment about E-rod, it would've been something else.

 

The biggest shame in all this would be if Eckersley changes the way he announces, or decides the BS isn't worth it at all.

[devildavid]

The real kicker is, what has Eck said that has even been that bad?

 

And if the players listen closely, Eck is as hard on himself as he is on them, if not harder. He just tells it like it is, good or bad. He is never stingy in his praise. Price was just showboating to show everyone what a great teammate he is.

[SoxHop]

The real kicker is, what has Eck said that has even been that bad?

 

Eck openly cheers for this team during broadcasts, and gives kudos when it is due. I've never heard him trash a player even when struggling.

 

I just don't get it. Ecks criticism is mild compared to many.

 

I think Price is a problem.

[jad]

??? - I get that I need to be very careful here because people will see this as me defending Price which isn't what I am doing. Also, I don't care what Eck says - he entertains me. Your post makes it sound as though he serves in some type of supervisory role for the Red Sox. Unless I am missing something, he doesn't. Whatever he says, he owns and in his particular job I'm pretty sure he understands what comes along with that. This idiotic situation should have been dealt with by the people in charge. Do you or does anyone here really know what was said? Do you or anyone really know who these guys are? How many laughed? Is it maybe just a little possible that this story was written to get people interested in reading it? The boss did need to step in here but whoever we think he is, he didn't. I know nothing about this situation other than what Shaughnessy wrote. You and others here obviously know more than I do. My guess is that there are lot of pretty good guys on that plane who are getting a bad rap for a story that has been blown out of proportion. Once again, although I think that Eck deserves a lot of respect but he is not the boss. Now I don't think that he said anything that should get him called out by anyone but when you do the job he does sometimes it is going to happen if he reports honestly. Do you or anyone else here think that if something like this happens at the Patriot's training camp, we will ever hear about it? I bet not!

 

Maybe I wasn't clear in my examples. It's not a matter of 'supervising' role. It's ANY role. If, say, a student criticizes a grade, I absolutely do not have the right to tell them to "F." themselves. I can't confront a colleague in the hallway and start hurling obscenities at them. Eck is part of the organization. And frankly, reporters (even not in the employ of NESN) are part of the vast and amorphous institution of professional sports. And ordinary rules of ordinary work-places are not suspended just because these effing a-holes happen to be highly paid celebrities. (Note that I can say this, because they are public figures and I am not employed in this institution. If I were on the payroll of the RS, I could not.)

[illinoisredsox]

And if the players listen closely, Eck is as hard on himself as he is on them, if not harder. He just tells it like it is, good or bad. He is never stingy in his praise. Price was just showboating to show everyone what a great teammate he is.

 

Agree. I don't see every game, but it seems to me when Eck's in the booth, any conversation about himself or his career centers around some mistake he made (a "bomb" he gave up or some time when he made a boneheaded play like forgetting to cover first; as I recall, his words on that were "we've all done it"). "Yuck" may not have been the most artful of adjectives to use, but would "ugh" have made things any better? He's not Vin Scully.

 

Eck says it like he sees it without a whole lot of bias. If a Sox player makes a great play, he says it. If an opposing player makes a great play, he says it. Ditto the bad plays. Problem is, the feedback on the former somehow never gets back to players; they only hear the negative.

[Bellhorn04]

A question I will toss out there: if it was Shaugnessy that Price told to get the f--- out of here, would this be as big of an item?

[mvp 78]

A question I will toss out there: if it was Shaugnessy that Price told to get the f--- out of here, would this be as big of an item?

 

Nope, because Shaugnessy says a lot of stupid s*** just to provoke a reaction. Eck said nothing noteworthy and deserves to be treated better.

[SoxnCycles]

A question I will toss out there: if it was Shaugnessy that Price told to get the f--- out of here, would this be as big of an item?

 

Personally, it would depend on what he wrote.

 

I'm not a fan of Shaugnessy because I think he enjoys getting a rise out of players and fans.

I'd probably assume he wrote something to deserve it.

[jad]

A question I will toss out there: if it was Shaugnessy that Price told to get the f--- out of here, would this be as big of an item?

 

To me, absolutely. You have no more right to threaten and abuse an unpopular abrasive reporter than one most people happen to like. We're not talking here about some player in a press conf. or interview tossing out an ill-considered insult. We're talking about a guy essentially 'lying in wait' for a reporter with a group of supporters in the middle of an aisle on a chartered plane. (On a side note, I can't believe the league office is turning a blind eye to this.)

[mvp 78]

To me, absolutely. You have no more right to threaten and abuse an unpopular abrasive reporter than one most people happen to like. We're not talking here about some player in a press conf. or interview tossing out an ill-considered insult. We're talking about a guy essentially 'lying in wait' for a reporter with a group of supporters in the middle of an aisle on a chartered plane. (On a side note, I can't believe the league office is turning a blind eye to this.)

 

The league office isn't going to anything about this. It's not in their purview.

[jad]

The league office isn't going to anything about this. It's not in their purview.

 

Well, the first part is correct: the league office is probably peopled by weenies. (Not sure whether you meant the second sentence ironically, but I think this is completely within their 'job description'. They have all kinds of regulations about team relations with the media, many of which are an extension of ordinary rules of the workplace. )

[mvp 78]

Well, the first part is correct: the league office is probably peopled by weenies. (Not sure whether you meant the second sentence ironically, but I think this is completely within their 'job description'. They have all kinds of regulations about team relations with the media, many of which are an extension of ordinary rules of the workplace. )

 

It's in their job description, it's just not what's in what they believe to be their job description. If that makes sense?

 

They can do something about it, but either don't care or don't want to step on ownership toes.

[jad]

It's in their job description, it's just not what's in what they believe to be their job description. If that makes sense?

 

They can do something about it, but either don't care or don't want to step on ownership toes.

 

Agree entirely. But let's see.

[dgalehouse]

The incident causes me to lose a lot of respect for David Price. Forget the Hall of Fame credentials, etc. The fact is that Eck is now in his sixties , twice the age of Price. For the 6'5" Price to get in his face, cursing at him and trying to intimidate him is totally out of line. It shows a lack of class and character. Sadly , he also seems to have an influence on at least some of his teammates. And as for Farrell ; his failure to deal with the situation, shows a weakness and lack of leadership.

[oldtimer]

What's with farrell not wanting to talk about how he is going to use Nunez. I'm guessing here, but I suppose Farrell was a part of the decision to trade for him and also a part of the decision to bring up Devers. It would make sense that he advocated a use for Nunez or otherwise why trade for him and why so tight lipped about the matter. JF hurts himself by taking this approach.

[cp176]

Maybe I wasn't clear in my examples. It's not a matter of 'supervising' role. It's ANY role. If, say, a student criticizes a grade, I absolutely do not have the right to tell them to "F." themselves. I can't confront a colleague in the hallway and start hurling obscenities at them. Eck is part of the organization. And frankly, reporters (even not in the employ of NESN) are part of the vast and amorphous institution of professional sports. And ordinary rules of ordinary work-places are not suspended just because these effing a-holes happen to be highly paid celebrities. (Note that I can say this, because they are public figures and I am not employed in this institution. If I were on the payroll of the RS, I could not.)

 

You are right of course in a perfect world everyone would respect everyone and their opinions and we would just all get along. I taught for awhile and I did have to deal with students, other teachers, Parents, admiinstrators, and fellow coaches. I don't think I ever used the f world when defending myself or criticizing them but I'm not buying into the theory that everybody plays nicely and if you don't you are just awful. IMO - a color analyst who is expected to report honestly about what he sees without soft peddling should not travel on the team plane. The world really isn't all that nice. Now I will also say that this whole story is a non-story. One in which we really don't know what was said, who said what, and who cheered who. Early today it was reported that Pedroia was cheering Price on loudly. It has since been rescinded. Maybe it wasn't even Price on the plane. Maybe it was someone pretending to be him. I like reading what Shaugnessey writes but let's remember what his personal goal when writing a story is - to get people to read it! He has never been above a little embellishment from time to time. Once again I'm not defending Price - I don't like him - but I'm not going to rake him over the coals for something that I don't think I ever should have heard about. This looks like a leaderless team to me.

[cp176]

Personally, it would depend on what he wrote.

 

I'm not a fan of Shaugnessy because I think he enjoys getting a rise out of players and fans.

I'd probably assume he wrote something to deserve it.

 

 

+1 on this one - he is a card carrying member of the Boston media