Sox hitting??

[Kimmi]

Oh for f***s sake....... Holt is horrible this year after a major concussion. Last year he was servicable and could hold his own in most positions. He was also electric and can get things started. He had some major messups, but also some amazing plays not many othe subs would make. And he was a hard out at the plate.....

 

As a manager... you have to see what these people have, you have to play them. It's hard with subs cause you they don't get much playing time......... so you have to keep going with them until it's exausted..............

 

you guys might as well start crapping on the bat boy.......... it would make more sense...

 

Well said SoxHop.

[Kimmi]

Do the rules allow for a pitcher hitting and using the DH for your 2Bman?

 

The rules do not allow for that. A DH can only bat for the pitcher, which I find kind of odd. If a manager wants to let his pitcher bat, for whatever odd reason he may have, he ought to be allowed to do it.

[Kimmi]

Would we better off moving bogey to third and devers to first and signing cozart to play shortstop?

 

I think when you start moving too many players off position, you do yourself more harm than good. I am okay with the idea of moving Devers to first for a significant upgrade at 3B (although I'm not okay with giving Machado a huge contract).

 

Besides, I really don't think Bogaerts would handle the move well. He didn't the last time.

[oldtimer]

I think when you start moving too many players off position, you do yourself more harm than good. I am okay with the idea of moving Devers to first for a significant upgrade at 3B (although I'm not okay with giving Machado a huge contract).

 

Besides, I really don't think Bogaerts would handle the move well. He didn't the last time.

 

I can't remember what part of the season that Bogey was moved to third. In retrospect, his performance in the second half of most seasons has fallen off. Could it be the move to 3rd coincided with the 2nd half doldrums he seems to wind up in each year?

[Kimmi]

I can't remember what part of the season that Bogey was moved to third. In retrospect, his performance in the second half of most seasons has fallen off. Could it be the move to 3rd coincided with the 2nd half doldrums he seems to wind up in each year?

 

It's possible. I don't remember exactly when he was moved to 3B either. I do recall Bogaerts saying something about the move to 3B affecting him though.

 

In terms of this year, I really think all of his troubles are injury related. I don't think he's healthy.

[moonslav59]

It's possible. I don't remember exactly when he was moved to 3B either. I do recall Bogaerts saying something about the move to 3B affecting him though.

 

In terms of this year, I really think all of his troubles are injury related. I don't think he's healthy.

 

He was called up to play 3B in 2013 after just 10 games at third in the minors. His .684 OPS was pretty decent considering the enormous pressure he was under while trying to learn a new position in the midst of a WS run. He went 8 for 27 in the playoffs with 6 BBs.

 

In 2014, he started out as our SS, but then we brought Drew back and he shifted back to 3B. He was at .816 right before starting to play 3B. He was at .815 9 days later, but then he started declining. He dipped to .627 before finishing at .660. It should be noted that Bogey went back to playing SS starting Aug 1. He was at .682 then. As I said, he ended at .660.

 

2014:

.724 as SS

.517 as 3Bman

 

2013:

.815 SS

.511 3B (but did well in WS)

 

Career:

.763 SS

.516 3B

 

Yeah, I'd say playing 3B could be considered an influence on his poor career second half numbers.

 

[illinoisredsox]

I can't remember what part of the season that Bogey was moved to third. In retrospect, his performance in the second half of most seasons has fallen off. Could it be the move to 3rd coincided with the 2nd half doldrums he seems to wind up in each year?

 

It's possible. I don't remember exactly when he was moved to 3B either. I do recall Bogaerts saying something about the move to 3B affecting him though.

 

In terms of this year, I really think all of his troubles are injury related. I don't think he's healthy.

 

The move to 3rd would explain 1 year (2014). It doesn't explain the other 3 full years.

[devildavid]

Sox hitting has taken a turn for the worse in the 2nd half of the season:

 

1st half: .268/.340/.419/.759

 

2nd half: .245/.319/.387/.706

[oldtimer]

The move to 3rd would explain 1 year (2014). It doesn't explain the other 3 full years.

 

My input leaned more toward 2nd half issues which seem to impact Bogey. Whatever is going on, injuries, mental issues, lack of effective coaching, he seems to lapse after4 the as break.

[devildavid]

It's possible. I don't remember exactly when he was moved to 3B either. I do recall Bogaerts saying something about the move to 3B affecting him though.

 

In terms of this year, I really think all of his troubles are injury related. I don't think he's healthy.

 

Good point. Same applies to Hanley as well. Pedey seems to be the only one whose injuries haven't really hurt his hitting. It all depends on the nature of the injury. Ortiz struggle for quite a while after his wrist injury. Bogey hurt his hand and Hanley has shoulder issues which are more critical when it come to hitting.

[Emp9]

Sox hitting has taken a turn for the worse in the 2nd half of the season:

 

1st half: .268/.340/.419/.759

 

2nd half: .245/.319/.387/.706

 

Really? It doesn't feel like it. Maybe because they scored more Runs in August than either June or July. The hitting got worse (Even w/ Nunez and Devers???), but the ability to score Runs got better? f***in' figures.... This team is weird.

[Slasher9]

Good point. Same applies to Hanley as well. Pedey seems to be the only one whose injuries haven't really hurt his hitting. It all depends on the nature of the injury. Ortiz struggle for quite a while after his wrist injury. Bogey hurt his hand and Hanley has shoulder issues which are more critical when it come to hitting.

 

that's because Pedroia takes time off and goes on DL for his bumps and bruises. X-Bo & HanRam play through theirs....

[mvp 78]

Good point. Same applies to Hanley as well. Pedey seems to be the only one whose injuries haven't really hurt his hitting. It all depends on the nature of the injury. Ortiz struggle for quite a while after his wrist injury. Bogey hurt his hand and Hanley has shoulder issues which are more critical when it come to hitting.

 

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8370&position=2B

 

Um, Pedroia's offensive numbers are barely above replacement level this year.

[devildavid]

that's because Pedroia takes time off and goes on DL for his bumps and bruises. X-Bo & HanRam play through theirs....

 

I don't think so. In the past, Pedroia has tried to play through injuries. But recently he has taken time off probably due to the fact that he is older and a bit more cautious than he used to be. Hanley did not play the field for a big part of this season due to injury. It all depends on the nature of the injury and the age of the player.

[devildavid]

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8370&position=2B

 

Um, Pedroia's offensive numbers are barely above replacement level this year.

 

So his .304/.381/.409/.790 line is easily replaced? He also has the highest wOBA of anyone on the team with 400 or more plate appearances.

[Slasher9]

I don't think so. In the past, Pedroia has tried to play through injuries. But recently he has taken time off probably due to the fact that he is older and a bit more cautious than he used to be. Hanley did not play the field for a big part of this season due to injury. It all depends on the nature of the injury and the age of the player.

 

im not sure about "big part".

Hanley has played in 121 games. 5th most on the team. well ahead of gritty pedroia and his 92 games played....

as far as i can tell...gritty pedroia missed games because his vagina was sore from throwing teammates under the bus. i dont recall seeing any ligament damage, broken bones, or concussion protocols.....

[Slasher9]

So his .304/.381/.409/.790 line is easily replaced?

 

this is a trick question, right?

nunez.

[Bellhorn04]

Pedroia has a fWAR of 2.1 in 92 games. He's not that easily replaced. His defense is still stellar.

[OH FOY]

Pedroia 56 RBI's 92 games.

Hanley 55 RBI's 121 games.

I would have batted Petey Clean-up and DH him more, to rest him.

[devildavid]

im not sure about "big part".

Hanley has played in 121 games. 5th most on the team. well ahead of gritty pedroia and his 92 games played....

as far as i can tell...gritty pedroia missed games because his vagina was sore from throwing teammates under the bus. i dont recall seeing any ligament damage, broken bones, or concussion protocols.....

 

I get that Pedroia doesn't fulfill your requirements for toughness or being a good teammate. But that doesn't change the fact that Hanley was supposed to be playing 1b and not DH and PH for 104 of his 121 games played. Playing 2b is a bit more critical defensively and you don't want Pedroia out there with limited mobility.

[devildavid]

this is a trick question, right?

nunez.

 

Lifetime slash lines:

 

Nunez: .282/.319/.414/.734

 

Pedroia: .301/.367/.442/.810

 

Nunez is a nice pick up for the short term, but he is a lifetime bench warmer. He has only played 668 games in 8 years so far while Pedroia has been a regular player for 12 years with 1,490 games under his belt. It is unfair to Nunez to compare him to Pedroia.

[OH FOY]

Hope Sox resign Nunez. By no means I will compare him to Pedey, but I will compare him to Holt. Who probably after arbitration this year, will be making close to 2 million.

[Slasher9]

I get that Pedroia doesn't fulfill your requirements for toughness or being a good teammate. But that doesn't change the fact that Hanley was supposed to be playing 1b and not DH and PH for 104 of his 121 games played. Playing 2b is a bit more critical defensively and you don't want Pedroia out there with limited mobility.

 

fair post and point taken.

[Maxbialystock]

It's possible. I don't remember exactly when he was moved to 3B either. I do recall Bogaerts saying something about the move to 3B affecting him though.

 

In terms of this year, I really think all of his troubles are injury related. I don't think he's healthy.

 

Come on, guys. Bogaerts went to 3b almost immediately when he was brought up in 2013 because we had Drew and Iglesias, which then became Drew for the final two months and in the postseason. Bogaerts only played in 18 games. The next year Bogaerts was the starting SS for the entire season except the June and July when Drew was re-signed and then traded before the August 1 deadline. 2014 was also Bogaerts worst DWAR season and 2015 his best. 2016 and 2017 have been at -.2 and -.4. Injuries could be a factor this year, but the Sox and Bogaerts,practicing good OPSEC,ain't saying.

[harmony]

My input leaned more toward 2nd half issues which seem to impact Bogey. Whatever is going on, injuries, mental issues, lack of effective coaching, he seems to lapse after4 the as break.

For what it's worth, the shortstops for the Red Sox and my Seattle Mariners -- Xander Bogaerts and Jean Segura -- have each experienced at least a .220 drop in OPS from pre-All Star break to post-All Star break this year:

 

XBogaerts pre 351 PA, .303/.359/.447/.806

XBogaerts post 198 PA, .200/.273/.300/.573

 

JSegura pre 248 PA, .349/.390/.482/.872

JSegura post 240 PA, .237/.300/.352/.652

[devildavid]

Come on, guys. Bogaerts went to 3b almost immediately when he was brought up in 2013 because we had Drew and Iglesias, which then became Drew for the final two months and in the postseason. Bogaerts only played in 18 games. The next year Bogaerts was the starting SS for the entire season except the June and July when Drew was re-signed and then traded before the August 1 deadline. 2014 was also Bogaerts worst DWAR season and 2015 his best. 2016 and 2017 have been at -.2 and -.4. Injuries could be a factor this year, but the Sox and Bogaerts,practicing good OPSEC,ain't saying.

 

Bogey played in only 18 games in 2013 and split time between SS and 3b. He played 57.1 innings at 3b and 52.1 innings at SS. He wasn't exactly moved to 3b at all. He filled in at either spot when needed.

[illinoisredsox]

im not sure about "big part".

Hanley has played in 121 games. 5th most on the team. well ahead of gritty pedroia and his 92 games played....

as far as i can tell...gritty pedroia missed games because his vagina was sore from throwing teammates under the bus. i dont recall seeing any ligament damage, broken bones, or concussion protocols.....

 

Well, now that Price isn't around much, I see you have your new target of disdain.

[Maxbialystock]

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=8370&position=2B

 

Um, Pedroia's offensive numbers are barely above replacement level this year.

 

Are you being facetious (as I often am)? I ask because right now Pedroia has the 4th best OWAR (1.9) on the Sox, and, despite fewer games, higher than those Beni, HanRam, and Moreland. So, right there, I would put him ahead of any of them in the lineup were it not for the fact the Beni needs to stay in LF. But I would definitely put Pedroia at DH over HanRam, Young, et al. The three higher OWAR's belong to Betts, Bogie, and JBJ, and none of them play 2b or is used as the DH.

 

I would also play him ahead of Nunez at 2b and move Nunez to SS or wherever there is a weak bat--or have Nunez DH when Pedey is at 2b.

 

The only thing not good about Pedey this year is that darn knee (or knees). Based on past years when he showed an overabundance of zeal to play hurt, it is very unlikely he is malingering this year as some want to believe. Remember that season when Ellsbury had the rib issues and barely played? That was the year Pedey was taking infield practice on his knees because that's all the trainers would allow. And it was dumb even though it was vintage Pedey.

 

Pedey is just about the only veteran Sox regular who runs out every grounder full tilt. He plays a good 2b and used to be a great 2b. He is tough on pitchers when the Sox need a good at bat or just someone to get things started. He's banged up and 33, but his OPS this year of .791 is just below his career OPS of .809.

 

Are you kidding me?

[Slasher9]

he's gritty.

[Maxbialystock]

that's because Pedroia takes time off and goes on DL for his bumps and bruises. X-Bo & HanRam play through theirs....

 

Pedey has a track record in previous seasons of playing hurt beyond when it made sense. He is a gamer--one of the best the Sox have ever had. If he ain't playing, it's either because he really cannot or because Farrell put his foot down (and listened to the trainers/doctors).